The Goff Thread

[SeminoleRam]

He's 26 and predominantly a pocket passer. While a lot of folks are hoping his productivity translates similarly to what Rodgers, Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson has to offer; his play style is built to avoid the potential injuries that involve continuously making plays with your legs and exposing yourself to big hits. Wentz went from the best in the bunch to average exposing himself to those kinds of hits.

I'm confident Goff will ascend to elite level through continuity and staying course to his current play style. Pocket passers are built to play until their early 40s.

My feelings are Goff is not flashy but he is productive (Usually!) AND will have a great career as a RAM!!!

 

[NoCoNite]

Goff’s 26 and still can’t read defenses at the line. He’s a great quarterback with 0 awareness. Might be McVays fault, but he doesn’t even trust him anymore.

 

[badnews]

Goff’s 26 and still can’t read defenses at the line. He’s a great quarterback with 0 awareness. Might be McVays fault, but he doesn’t even trust him anymore.

Thats a bit of a stretch.
No offense, I understand where you are coming from there... those last two games were bad enough for a lot of fans to forget the Goff that was hitting his highest completion% of his career and starting games with 11 or 12 straight completions (without a script!!!) against some quality defenses.
If Goff couldn't read NFL defenses, he would still be hurrying to the line "so McVay could call it".

Goff can and does read NFL defenses.
Most coverages are not that hard to discern espescially with pre-snap motion. Jared might not ever be Mr. Cerebral but he isn't stupid, the kid can and does learn.
Early in his career, he had almost no experience playing behind center, wasnt asked to read the Defense, his job was just to stay alive in the pocket and execute the playcall. And he did that really well then and still does, imo.

The problem is that he is primarily a pocket passer and in the NFL, most pocket QBs enter the league with years of experience reading defenses from under center. Goffs learning curve was always going to take time.
Thanks to the total shitshow that was Fishers final season, and the early success of Carson Wentz made Goffs shortcomings all the more visible in contrast. Then the media fabricated or at the least overplayed the McVay-headset-gate controversy that only added to the perception that somehow Goff can't read a defense.

JG has grown as a more complete player every year, as expected, and he reads the defense just fine more often then not. Its not even possible for him to perform like he has the past 3 seasons without being at least competent at reading the D and making the proper choices.

But... he has a tendency to get impatient and then tries to force things. He gets tunnel vision when he reads the D and determines who he is going to throw to, which smart defenses are good at setting him up to make that throw that should've worked... when things get tough he sometimes reverts back to his Cal days, hanging in the pocket to make the throw and ends up being hit before releasing. (But I do love a QB who is unafraid to stand in there and deliver. For all of his flaws, he is fearless.)

Imo Goff is still inconsistent at times, still makes costly mistakes sometimes and can still be fooled by good defenses who know how to use our tendencies against us.
At times this year, our passing game has been painfully predictable and that doesn't help him any. WAYYY too many predictable screens and not enough of those intermediate 20 yard throws. Its either a screen or an occasional bomb. The only times we have gone to those intermediate plays is when we are down and until the last two weeks, those plays have been effective.

Goff has to play better than he has recently and he has to protect the ball better. I'm sure he knows that and is working on it. He's had his hiccups but for the most part he has continued to improve his play every season and I don't expect that to change.

I bet he does his job at high level this Sunday, and I expect a mistake or two as well. Shit happens sometimes.

 

[Giles]

Goff’s 26 and still can’t read defenses at the line. He’s a great quarterback with 0 awareness. Might be McVays fault, but he doesn’t even trust him anymore.

If you expect a 26 year old qb to be able to read defenses like a brady/brees than you're gonna be disappointed.

 

[CGI_Ram]

goff thread number 291 of the week!

Yes. We need to clean this up to make things easier to read, and navigate.

Accordingly, the following tag has been added to post #1.

MOD EDIT: To help with topic management, this thread will be used as a General Thread-Topic for Goff in 2020.

We will merge topics that go in similar directions, here.

Topics that stand alone, based on the conversation they generate, will be left as stand alone topics.

How do we decide what merges? It won’t be a perfect science. We want conversation here, so a general goal is to not merge topics.

But to prevent too many similar Goff threads, this thread will be used in that manner.

Thank you.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Yes. We need to clean this up to make things easier to read, and navigate.

Accordingly, the following tag has been added to post #1.

MOD EDIT: To help with topic management, this thread will be used as a General Thread-Topic for Goff in 2020.

We will merge topics that go in similar directions, here.

Topics that stand alone, based on the conversation they generate, will be left as stand alone topics.

How do we decide what merges? It won’t be a perfect science. We want conversation here, so a general goal is to not merge topics.

But to prevent too many similar Goff threads, this thread will be used in that manner.

Thank you.

Thank fuck for that.

I don't know how much more goff bashing i can take.

I pray that the Rams crush those green fucks so the goff haters can shut the fuck up for at least a week.

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[DrRage46]

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That is what reminds me the most of goff.i hope he eventually gets that killer instinct about him because man on game days he looks to laid back.

 

[Ellard80]

That is what reminds me the most of goff.i hope he eventually gets that killer instinct about him because man on game days he looks to laid back.

Joe montana was pretty laid back

 

[dieterbrock]

goff thread number 291 of the week!

Well, this had been the "Positive Goff thread" until the negativity from the 290 bashing threads made its way over....

 

[BonifayRam]

15 advanced stats to know from first half of Rams' season

15 advanced stats to know from first half of Rams' season

The Rams rank near the top of the NFL in several key advanced stats.

theramswire.usatoday.com

The Rams are ready to embark on the second half of their regular-season schedule, hoping to improve on their 5-3 start. They have their work cut out for them, facing a grueling slate of games still to come in November and December.

But before we look too far ahead to those upcoming games, we’re taking a look back at some key stats to know from the first half. The following statistics are courtesy of Next Gen Stats and Pro Football Reference, providing some context to the Rams’ first eight games.

#1-Jared Goff averaged 2.76 seconds from snap to throw
Goff is near the middle of the pack in average time to throw, getting rid of the ball in 2.76 seconds. That’s the 19th-longest in the NFL and can be attributed to two things. It’s an indication of the offensive line giving Goff a lot of time, but can also relate to him holding onto the ball for a while – sometimes longer than he should.

#2-Goff has 11th-lowest intended air yards average
The theme of this season for L.A. has been taking what the defense gives you. Goff has rarely pushed the ball downfield, averaging 7.2 air yards per attempt – 11th-lowest in the NFL. Last season, he averaged 7.8 air yards and in 2018, it was 8.8. He’s thrown underneath frequently this year.

#3-Goff rarely throws into tight windows
Aggressiveness measures how often a quarterback throws into a tight window where a defender is within 1 yard of the receiver at the time of the completion or incompletion. Goff only makes such throws 13.7% of the time, which is 11th-lowest in football. For comparison, Mitchell Trubisky is No. 1 at 31.4%, followed by Joe Burrow (22.4%).

#4-Goff’s completion percentage is 1% lower than expected
Goff has completed 65.5% of his passes this season, which is 1% lower than his expected completion percentage, according to Next Gen Stats. His -1% differential is 12th-worst among all quarterbacks, which indicates he should be completing slightly more passes than he is.

#5-Goff has attempted most play-action passes of any QB
Play action has been a staple of the Rams offense this year, more so than even in years past. Goff has thrown 106 passes off play action, which is the most of any quarterback. He’s racked up 891 passing yards on those plays, which is second-most, only ranking behind the Josh Allen and the Bills (975).

#6-Rams allow a pressure rate of just 15.2%
Goff hasn’t been under much pressure this season thanks to improved offensive line play. The Rams have allowed pressures on just 15.2% of Goff’s dropbacks, which is tied for third-lowest in the NFL. That’s quite indicative of how well the line has played in 2020. Like all quarterbacks, Goff is much better when given time in the pocket.

#7-Goff has attempted most play-action passes of any QB
Play action has been a staple of the Rams offense this year, more so than even in years past. Goff has thrown 106 passes off play action, which is the most of any quarterback. He’s racked up 891 passing yards on those plays, which is second-most, only ranking behind the Josh Allen and the Bills (975).

#8- Rams rank in top 13 of YAC average
The Rams have some of the best players in the league at gaining yards after the catch. That comes down to field vision, ball placement from Goff and sometimes blocking downfield, making it a complete team effort. Woods is sixth in yards after catch per reception (7.0), but Everett (6.6) and Cooper Kupp (6.5) also rank in the top 13 of all players.

#9-Aaron Donald has the fastest sack in the NFL this year
Donald’s fourth sack against the Washington Football Team was also the fastest in the NFL this season. He got to Alex Smith in just 2.17 seconds, knocking the ball out of the quarterback’s hand in a hurry. Keanu Neal of the Falcons has the second-fastest sack (2.2 seconds), followed by Vince Williams of the Steelers (2.26 seconds).

#10-Rams allow lowest average depth of target in NFL
Opposing quarterbacks simply do not test the Rams much downfield. According to Pro Football Reference, the Rams allow the lowest average depth of target in the NFL at 7.1 yards. That’s tied with the Bills and 2.6 yards better than the Steelers, who are last in the NFL (9.7). The Rams have also allowed the fewest air yards in the league (790).

#11-Rams are 20th in pressure rate
Despite having Aaron Donald, the Rams still don’t generate enough pressure on quarterbacks. They’re 20th in pressure rate this year with an average of 20.8%. The Steelers lead the league by a huge margin at 36.1%, which is 9.7% more than any other team.

#12-Rams have missed 9th-fewest tackles
Much was made about the Rams’ tackling issues earlier in the season, with even Sean McVay and Brandon Staley pointing out the problem. But it seems they’ve fixed those struggles, missing just 50 tackles in eight games. That’s the ninth-fewest in football, but is still 23 more than the league-leading Colts.

#13-Only 8 RBs face more loaded boxes than Darrell Henderson
Teams are focused on stopping Henderson, even though those efforts have mostly failed this season. Henderson has run the ball against loaded boxes (8-plus defenders) 27.37% of the time, which is ninth-most in the NFL. Damien Harris leads the NFL at 39.68%, which is also partly because Cam Newton is the Patriots’ quarterback and is always a threat to run.

#14-Henderson ranks 4th in rushing percentage over expected
Only three running backs gain more yards than expected at a higher rate than Henderson. He ranks fourth in that department, having 48.4% of his runs go for more yards than expected by Next Gen Stats. Malcolm Brown is much lower on the list at 38.4%.

#15-Gerald Everett is third in average separation, Robert Woods is 13th
On average, Everett gains 4.2 yards of separation from his defender in coverage. That’s third-best in the NFL, ahead of even George Kittle (4.0). Robert Woods is 13th in that category, creating an average of 3.7 yards of separation on his routes run.

#16-Everett is last in average targeted air yards
Everett may create a lot of separation, but it doesn’t translate to throws far down the field. He has the lowest targeted air yards of any player in the NFL, averaging 5.3 air yards this season. Tyler Higbee’s targets are also an average of 6.3 yards within the line of scrimmage, which is 14th-lowest in the league. That’s not surprising when you consider how infrequently Goff throws deep downfield.

 

[snackdaddy]

"I say goddamn she is hot! Rrrowl..!!!"
-@Loyal

She?

 

[VegasRam]

If you expect a 26 year old qb to be able to read defenses like a brady/brees than you're gonna be disappointed.

Bingo, and when the inevitable "but what about Mahomes and Murray and, and ,and....", - they don't read defenses.
They scramble until someone opens up.

 

[NoCoNite]

If you expect a 26 year old qb to be able to read defenses like a brady/brees than you're gonna be disappointed.

I expect him to be able to read the Dolphins sending the whole front 7.

 

[NoCoNite]

Bingo, and when the inevitable "but what about Mahomes and Murray and, and ,and....", - they don't read defenses.
They scramble until someone opens up.

Murray ripped the Dolphins defense to shreds. The same defense Goff couldn’t tell was blitzing everyone

 

[NoCoNite]

Thats a bit of a stretch.
No offense, I understand where you are coming from there... those last two games were bad enough for a lot of fans to forget the Goff that was hitting his highest completion% of his career and starting games with 11 or 12 straight completions (without a script!!!) against some quality defenses.
If Goff couldn't read NFL defenses, he would still be hurrying to the line "so McVay could call it".

Goff can and does read NFL defenses.
Most coverages are not that hard to discern espescially with pre-snap motion. Jared might not ever be Mr. Cerebral but he isn't stupid, the kid can and does learn.
Early in his career, he had almost no experience playing behind center, wasnt asked to read the Defense, his job was just to stay alive in the pocket and execute the playcall. And he did that really well then and still does, imo.

The problem is that he is primarily a pocket passer and in the NFL, most pocket QBs enter the league with years of experience reading defenses from under center. Goffs learning curve was always going to take time.
Thanks to the total shitshow that was Fishers final season, and the early success of Carson Wentz made Goffs shortcomings all the more visible in contrast. Then the media fabricated or at the least overplayed the McVay-headset-gate controversy that only added to the perception that somehow Goff can't read a defense.

JG has grown as a more complete player every year, as expected, and he reads the defense just fine more often then not. Its not even possible for him to perform like he has the past 3 seasons without being at least competent at reading the D and making the proper choices.

But... he has a tendency to get impatient and then tries to force things. He gets tunnel vision when he reads the D and determines who he is going to throw to, which smart defenses are good at setting him up to make that throw that should've worked... when things get tough he sometimes reverts back to his Cal days, hanging in the pocket to make the throw and ends up being hit before releasing. (But I do love a QB who is unafraid to stand in there and deliver. For all of his flaws, he is fearless.)

Imo Goff is still inconsistent at times, still makes costly mistakes sometimes and can still be fooled by good defenses who know how to use our tendencies against us.
At times this year, our passing game has been painfully predictable and that doesn't help him any. WAYYY too many predictable screens and not enough of those intermediate 20 yard throws. Its either a screen or an occasional bomb. The only times we have gone to those intermediate plays is when we are down and until the last two weeks, those plays have been effective.

Goff has to play better than he has recently and he has to protect the ball better. I'm sure he knows that and is working on it. He's had his hiccups but for the most part he has continued to improve his play every season and I don't expect that to change.

I bet he does his job at high level this Sunday, and I expect a mistake or two as well. Shit happens sometimes.

I like the post but I don’t agree with everything.

goff is constantly running play actions to limit his options and to get out of the pocket. Goff isn’t comfortable in the pocket. Which is why he had the lowest intended yards per pass, quickest throw time and most play actions. McVay playing to Goff’s strengths and weaknesses is limiting our offense.

defenses are also stacking the box daring Goff to beat them. That should tell you enough

 

[Ellard80]

darrell henderson seeing alot of stacked boxes - those were some very interesting stats that reveal a lot.

But hopefully we can shred up the seahawks secondary.

 

[majrleaged]

The rams problem with cover 0 looked to me like it was to short routs and the D was sitting on them or having a hot read be short over the middle where it is to conjested and easy for a Dlineman to drop into coverage and fool the QB. I thought the scheme sucked. The quickest way to stop that D from being called is to beat it deep. At least try. That is what Wilson does. JMO

 

[fearsomefour]

Joe montana was pretty laid back

Joe had a coke problem.

 

[fearsomefour]

Well, this had been the "Positive Goff thread" until the negativity from the 290 bashing threads made its way over....

It’s not bashing to question things and wonder about his development.
Things are not that black and white.

 

[dieterbrock]

It’s not bashing to question things and wonder about his development.
Things are not that black and white.

Again, there were multiple threads based on criticism of Goff, and this thread began as one accentuating the positives. Alas, there are those who cant resist pissing in the punch and had to change the tone