The Goff thread to end all Goff threads

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Ramit

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No offense to the op but please no more Goff articles lol
I think it offers a rare glimpse behind the curtain of how McVay coaches in private vs in public. This isn't so much about Goff for me as it is simply being a McVay fan.

I'm stoked for Stafford and am so glad he is our QB now.
 

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No offense to the op but please no more Goff articles lol
It even goes as far as a "team source" said that there started to be unrest because they would get their asses chewed over mistakes but McVay wouldn't say much to Goff for a long time.
 

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That article says more about mcvay than it does goff. If that article is 100% true (which I highly doubt it is) then mcvay handled this situation in the worst possible way and explains goffs poor play and overall team morale. If this is how he treats players especially quarterbacks then he'll never be able to develop a young one.
I like Goff but he hasn’t been the same since the SB. The thing that frustrates fans, and apparently McVay too, is his inability to create on his own. If the article is to be believed McVay wanted Jared to see the things McVay was seeing and to react accordingly. Part of that is McVay’s ego, he believes in what his offense can do but he came to the conclusion that Goff wasn’t able to run the offense to it’s potential.
Goff seemed to be unwilling to throw down the field and McVay apparently didn’t know how to help him get his mojo back so they just stopped doing it, which didn’t work either.
The qb and the coach are sometimes the biggest egos on the team, it’s no surprise there are clashes. Hopefully they both learned something, Jared hopefully figured out it takes more than talent to win the SB, and McVay hopefully figured out that his job is to do whatever’s necessary to get his qb in the right mental and physical condition.
 

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I like Goff but he hasn’t been the same since the SB. The thing that frustrates fans, and apparently McVay too, is his inability to create on his own. If the article is to be believed McVay wanted Jared to see the things McVay was seeing and to react accordingly. Part of that is McVay’s ego, he believes in what his offense can do but he came to the conclusion that Goff wasn’t able to run the offense to it’s potential.
Goff seemed to be unwilling to throw down the field and McVay apparently didn’t know how to help him get his mojo back so they just stopped doing it, which didn’t work either.
The qb and the coach are sometimes the biggest egos on the team, it’s no surprise there are clashes. Hopefully they both learned something, Jared hopefully figured out it takes more than talent to win the SB, and McVay hopefully figured out that his job is to do whatever’s necessary to get his qb in the right mental and physical condition.
This is probably one of the clearest, cleanest views of what transpired.
 

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I'm not so sure it was a clash. With this information you can't really fault either of them. Only time will tell if Goff genuinely has it or not.
Having said that it makes a lot sense now though. Why they needed "marriage counseling" as Silver stated.
We have all had our say over and over. Mcvay may be right if he is as smart as he gets credit for.
From Goffs p.o.v. if he faced that pressure/berating it explains why he may have been making so many mistakes with the football. With every confrontation every argument he lost confidence became indifferent and just wouldnt risk it making more mistakes than normal. Usually that's how those situations go unless you have a top tier guy that rises to the challenge. Yes Goff is young but only time will tell who was right or wrong.
I will say if mcvay adds someone like Stafford he more than likely will not be speaking to him in that manner unless he is a tiny tyrant.
No knock on Mcvay as I believe as a number 1 pick that Goff was you have to rise above but maybe that side of mcvay is why so many coaches do leave.
Again that's just a thought to ponder not a knock. Just makes me wonder a bit.
 

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I like Goff but he hasn’t been the same since the SB. The thing that frustrates fans, and apparently McVay too, is his inability to create on his own. If the article is to be believed McVay wanted Jared to see the things McVay was seeing and to react accordingly. Part of that is McVay’s ego, he believes in what his offense can do but he came to the conclusion that Goff wasn’t able to run the offense to it’s potential.
Goff seemed to be unwilling to throw down the field and McVay apparently didn’t know how to help him get his mojo back so they just stopped doing it, which didn’t work either.
The qb and the coach are sometimes the biggest egos on the team, it’s no surprise there are clashes. Hopefully they both learned something, Jared hopefully figured out it takes more than talent to win the SB, and McVay hopefully figured out that his job is to do whatever’s necessary to get his qb in the right mental and physical condition.
Mcvay knew what goffs weaknesses were before he signed off on extending him so I'm not gonna hear anything about his inability to "create on his own". If that's what he wanted he shouldn't have extended him. You cant berate a player in private/in front of the team about turnovers then get frustrated about him not throwing down field. Goff has never been afraid to look down field until mcvay started berating him and that much is obvious to me. Mcvay needs to learn to leave his ego at the door and actually communicate with the players. It seemed like Mcvay/goff had a difference of opinion on how the offense should be ran and imo mcvay should've been more willing to listen to his QB because he's the one actually on the field. Doesn't matter much now because goff is gone but this micromanaging egomaniac shit needs to stop now or we as fan will never see a sb with mcvay. Sometimes you gotta let the players play, players messing up is a part of that and it's his job to coach/build them up and not tear them down mentally. He failed at that imo.
 

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In 2013 ans 2014 stafford had more picks and he had megatron and golden Taint.

Yes he did. Also a terrible org coming with a new coach at the time trying to rebuild (and they're still doing so). Everything was bad that year. Jared under Sean McVay has always had the support, and in the past 2 years hasn't lived up to his end of the bargain. At least consistently.
 

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I'm not so sure it was a clash. With this information you can't really fault either of them. Only time will tell if Goff genuinely has it or not.
Having said that it makes a lot sense now though. Why they needed "marriage counseling" as Silver stated.
We have all had our say over and over. Mcvay may be right if he is as smart as he gets credit for.
From Goffs p.o.v. if he faced that pressure/berating it explains why he may have been making so many mistakes with the football. With every confrontation every argument he lost confidence became indifferent and just wouldnt risk it making more mistakes than normal. Usually that's how those situations go unless you have a top tier guy that rises to the challenge. Yes Goff is young but only time will tell who was right or wrong.
I will say if mcvay adds someone like Stafford he more than likely will not be speaking to him in that manner unless he is a tiny tyrant.
No knock on Mcvay as I believe as a number 1 pick that Goff was you have to rise above but maybe that side of mcvay is why so many coaches do leave.
Again that's just a thought to ponder not a knock. Just makes me wonder a bit.
Hard to do your job to the best of your abilities if your boss is criticizing you in front of your coworkers. You're basically a target at that point and even the tiniest thing you do wrong will get magnified by 100x. That's why you never do that in a leadership position ever.
 

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Jets. All they had to do was win this and secure a playoff spot. Instead they entered a week 17 must win in on a losing streak with a backup rookie UDFA QB.

Shitters. Twice.

Second shitbird game.

Dolphins (was willingto give this one a mulligan if it was a one off).

Almost the Tampa game.

At least 5 games mightve swung the other way if not for turnovers. The negatives outweigh the small positives. Hey I stated many times early in the year it looked like he was gonna have a career year. He regressed. Shouldn't happen at this point in a career.

Almost the Tampa game? We beat the team that won the Super Bowl and scored 27 points in the process (would have been 30 if Gay hadn't missed a 44 yard FG). You're stretching real hard to criticize Goff for that one. And he only turned it over once against the Jets. We had bigger problems that day than just the QB.

I read the whole thing. But this quote was most likely after the trade, so it would encompass the full season.

And even if it didn't, Goff was right up there with the OL last year in terms of reasons why we were losing, so IMO McVay should have been getting on Jared last year - maybe he was, I don't know - but to see that quote in this article talking about this year, makes me think that he wasn't.

Our offense finished #11 in PPG and #7 in YPG in 2019. And it sure as shit wasn't the running game that was getting the job done. So if you want to put a lot of blame on Goff for us losing 7 games, you better be giving him a lot of credit for us winning 9 games.

Jared also had 16 picks. I will say 2019 wasn't all on him but it's not like they had good, consistent QB play.

Yet again, our offense was top 10 despite a shitty running game, so Goff was doing something right.
 

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Almost the Tampa game? We beat the team that won the Super Bowl and scored 27 points in the process (would have been 30 if Gay hadn't missed a 44 yard FG). You're stretching real hard to criticize Goff for that one. And he only turned it over once against the Jets. We had bigger problems that day than just the QB.



Our offense finished #11 in PPG and #7 in YPG in 2019. And it sure as shit wasn't the running game that was getting the job done. So if you want to put a lot of blame on Goff for us losing 7 games, you better be giving him a lot of credit for us winning 9 games.



Yet again, our offense was top 10 despite a shitty running game, so Goff was doing something right.
Rams win= Team game.
Rams lose= Goffs fault.
The hypocrisy is mind boggling when it comes to goff.
 

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Hard to do your job to the best of your abilities if your boss is criticizing you in front of your coworkers. You're basically a target at that point and even the tiniest thing you do wrong will get magnified by 100x. That's why you never do that in a leadership position ever.

That's why I covered both points of view but if your a number one pick or a 1st tier you push through. That's why many of us did point out our concerns many times loss of confidence perhaps not reading defense fast enough coddling and McVay possibly being a control freak. This will go back and forth til we see how it plays out all around. I don't want to make this another goff discussion was just trying to see it from both sides. Let's see what happens moving forward. Many coaches downright rip there qb's a new one more so in the past maybe goff also didn't view McVay as he would have an older coach maybe more buddy buddy and didn't take him to seriously. That's pure speculation but another angle if that was the case he won't do it with Campbell. That dude will rip his head off and eat it. Lol
 

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That's why I covered both points of view but if your a number one pick or a 1st tier you push through. That's why many of us did point out our concerns many times loss of confidence perhaps not reading defense fast enough coddling and McVay possibly being a control freak. This will go back and forth til we see how it plays out all around. I don't want to make this another goff discussion was just trying to see it from both sides. Let's see what happens moving forward. Many coaches downright rip there qb's a new one more so in the past maybe goff also didn't view McVay as he would have an older coach maybe more buddy buddy and didn't take him to seriously. That's pure speculation but another angle if that was the case he won't do it with Campbell. That dude will rip his head off and eat it. Lol
Hopefully Campbell doesn't make the same mistake mcvay made. It's very counter productive and doesn't accomplish anything. Hopefully mcvay learns from this mistake.
 

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Hopefully Campbell doesn't make the same mistake mcvay made. It's very counter productive and doesn't accomplish anything. Hopefully mcvay learns from this mistake.

Probably won't have to with stafford as he is a veteran and should process quicker hopefully. However McVay isn't the only coach to do that when they feel they are getting sub par play but yes depending on a players mental make up they can respond with an ill show you or crawl into a shell. Seems they both share in some blame but as far as production goff will have to let his play speak for him and McVay will need to show the same in his offense. So back to square one jury out til we start season.
 

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Probably won't have to with stafford as he is a veteran and should process quicker hopefully. However McVay isn't the only coach to do that when they feel they are getting sub par play but yes depending on a players mental make up they can respond with an ill show you or crawl into a shell. Seems they both share in some blame but as far as production goff will have to let his play speak for him and McVay will need to show the same in his offense. So back to square one jury out til we start season.
Yea sorry man I'm not buying that. Idk if the article is true or not but if it is then there's zero excuse for the way mcvay handled it. His job is to build players up not tear em down. Just because other coaches do that doesn't make it ok. I have serious concerns with mcvay when it comes to developing a young qb now and I thought I would never have that concern. I highly doubt Stafford will take that shit from mcvay like goff did and I'm concerned with how mcvay will handle his quarterback telling him to fuck off. Hopefully he handles it like a boss.
 

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I both supported Goff and was critical of him. I do that alot with the Rams.

Inside it always kind of haunted me he didn't know where the sun rised or set. He was not joking.

We are all treating these nuggets as fact and I am sure that the truth is somewhere in between.

Stafford does bring me new hope. Something I lost at times with Goff last season.

I still have this Goff signed football on my mantle. This is personal. :biggrin:
 

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Hard to do your job to the best of your abilities if your boss is criticizing you in front of your coworkers. You're basically a target at that point and even the tiniest thing you do wrong will get magnified by 100x. That's why you never do that in a leadership position ever.


Pro sports are a different animal. For one thing, coaches don't have time to watch film with every player individually which means that every player gets criticized in front of their teammates.

There was also the quote from a team source saying they felt McVay took it too easy on Goff.
 

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Almost the Tampa game? We beat the team that won the Super Bowl and scored 27 points in the process (would have been 30 if Gay hadn't missed a 44 yard FG). You're stretching real hard to criticize Goff for that one. And he only turned it over once against the Jets. We had bigger problems that day than just the QB.



Our offense finished #11 in PPG and #7 in YPG in 2019. And it sure as shit wasn't the running game that was getting the job done. So if you want to put a lot of blame on Goff for us losing 7 games, you better be giving him a lot of credit for us winning 9 games.



Yet again, our offense was top 10 despite a shitty running game, so Goff was doing something right.


I should have said reasons why the offense struggled.

He did catch fire late in the season, but I'd imagine after the Browns game in 2019, McVay would have been livid with Goff despite the win.

Overall he definitely gets credit for the offense performing that well, just as he gets the blame for the turnovers.
 

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As a fan -
I have seen a few ugly games from Goff. I lost confidence in Goff. I was beyond giddy to see Wolf take the helm. I am ready to see something other than Goff.
 

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Pro sports are a different animal. For one thing, coaches don't have time to watch film with every player individually which means that every player gets criticized in front of their teammates.

There was also the quote from a team source saying they felt McVay took it too easy on Goff.
You can hold on to that quote like a infant if you want but I'm not buying that. It's one thing to criticize and it's another to place blame on a player for a loss which is exactly what mcvay did after the 2nd niner game. Poor leadership by mcvay in that moment. That 1 press conference makes that quote your trying to push false.