The Goff thread to end all Goff threads

[Flint]

Hard to do your job to the best of your abilities if your boss is criticizing you in front of your coworkers. You're basically a target at that point and even the tiniest thing you do wrong will get magnified by 100x. That's why you never do that in a leadership position ever.

Coaches have been doing that for decades, maybe screaming at players isn’t as prevalent as it used to be but it’s still a regular part of playing football. Yelling at qbs is somehow different though and everyone sees the difference. Some guys can deal with it better than others, Belichek was famous for calling Brady out in meetings but he might be the exception.

 

[Giles]

Coaches have been doing that for decades, maybe screaming at players isn’t as prevalent as it used to be but it’s still a regular part of playing football. Yelling at qbs is somehow different though and everyone sees the difference. Some guys can deal with it better than others, Belichek was famous for calling Brady out in meetings but he might be the exception.

Just because its been done for decades doesn't make it the right way to coach. Mcvay says coaching is like teaching. Explain to me how yelling at your players is teaching them? Only thing you're teaching them is how to tune you the fuck out. BB is the exception because he's a equal opportunist when it comes to criticizing anyone on the team. Mcvay doesn't do that and look no further than mcvays press conference after the niners game for proof.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Last year Gurley, this year Goff.

I don’t get it either and that’s why I’ve said very little.

Unfortunately, a good post @FarNorth

Gurley’s was an injury and he did seem pretty salty most of the year

From the article, it sounds like Goff also was frustrated by the micromanaging.

I don’t know how much any of these guys listen to the media. Iimagine some do and some don’t. But if Goffdid at all I’m sure he couldn’t have liked hearing about him needing McVay to hold his hand.

That's something that McVay is gonna have to be better about going forward.

The Gruden tree is EXCEPTIONALLY hard on QBs and that mess won't cut it after Stafford.

I think Stafford is a perfect fit and McVay won't have those issues. However, when Stafford is done, he'll need a Wolford... someone as insanely dedicated as he is or it won't work.

Chucky never liked rookie QBs and always preferred vets. I get that.

As a parent, I love babies. I just get them. When my new grandbaby is wailing up a storm, everyone looks to me to calm her down and almost every time I can calm her within a few moments. My mom, otoh, just really didn't like the whole baby time. She preferred once I was able to speak and exercise some agency.

I'm not calling rookie QBs babies. Rather, I'm using the analogy that younger QBs are faced with different challenges. The NFL has never been more complicated often new QBs don't have the language or tools built up to communicate what they need. Couple that with Zennials (late millennials and early Gen Z) players have for the most part not grown up around the McVay kind of intensity and what starts out well can quickly sour.

This has the potential to be McVay's Achilles heal... and the one drawback to Stafford is that I don't think McVay will have to do ANY personal communication adjustments or improve on that beyond tailoring the message to Stafford. And while that should speed things up for Matthew, it has the potential to further alienate McVay from relating to the next gen of QBs coming out of college. And if there's anything that can derail McVay, it'd be having success under Stafford and then having it all unravel with a rookie QB... because Staffords don't grow on trees and they aren't available every off-season. Not even close.

I really hope McVay uses this time to continue to grow his communication to match his intention, commitment and intensity or Stafford will merely be a stay in the downfall of McVay. For few other coaches is the mind meld between HC and QB more important than with McVay and his QB...and the onus of communication is on the one doing the communication.

I mean, we've all been around that person... family, friend, boss, relationship...w/e... and it was their mode of communication more than anything else that undid the relationship.

I really hope for all of our sakes that McVay works on this. It'll be critically important for our long term success.

Except McVay is a young coach still learning as he goes. The next time he has an opportunity to choose a QB he will choose one that fits with his personality. Someone like Wolford who came in at 6:30 and stayed late even though he’s the backup. Or a guy like Cousins. I’m glad we have a coach who can get a fourth round QB and teach him to be an NFL starter like he did with Cousins

I read the whole thing. But this quote was most likely after the trade, so it would encompass the full season.

And even if it didn't, Goff was right up there with the OL last year in terms of reasons why we were losing, so IMO McVay should have been getting on Jared last year - maybe he was, I don't know - but to see that quote in this article talking about this year, makes me think that he wasn't.

If Jared is the sensitive type then McVay likely, was not as hard on him

 

[Flint]

I'm not so sure it was a clash. With this information you can't really fault either of them. Only time will tell if Goff genuinely has it or not.
Having said that it makes a lot sense now though. Why they needed "marriage counseling" as Silver stated.
We have all had our say over and over. Mcvay may be right if he is as smart as he gets credit for.
From Goffs p.o.v. if he faced that pressure/berating it explains why he may have been making so many mistakes with the football. With every confrontation every argument he lost confidence became indifferent and just wouldnt risk it making more mistakes than normal. Usually that's how those situations go unless you have a top tier guy that rises to the challenge. Yes Goff is young but only time will tell who was right or wrong.
I will say if mcvay adds someone like Stafford he more than likely will not be speaking to him in that manner unless he is a tiny tyrant.
No knock on Mcvay as I believe as a number 1 pick that Goff was you have to rise above but maybe that side of mcvay is why so many coaches do leave.
Again that's just a thought to ponder not a knock. Just makes me wonder a bit.

McVay and Goff needed to adapt after ‘18 And McVay expected Goff to do that, they paid him a shitload to do that, and he didn’t. Maybe McVay needs to communicate better but this is a results business. People thought Wentz would progress and they gave him a ton of money and it fell apart, sometimes front offices see what they want to see instead of what’s actually there.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I actually look forward to viewing the 2021 Detroit Lion highlights and lowlights. If Goff shreds it up or if Goff is shredded up. I have never cared to see a Lions game prior to this trade so there’s that

If Jarred doesn’t learn to read pre snap defensive realignments, then it will likely be more of the same for him.

Maybe he will do better with a less complex offense.

But if I was an opponent I’d be doing the same defensive plan that has been known to give Goff problems until he proves he can beat it consistently. Turn up the pressure, change the coverages just before the snap, and use multiple coverages throughout the game.

 

[Flint]

Just because its been done for decades doesn't make it the right way to coach. Mcvay says coaching is like teaching. Explain to me how yelling at your players is teaching them? Only thing you're teaching them is how to tune you the fuck out. BB is the exception because he's a equal opportunist when it comes to criticizing anyone on the team. Mcvay doesn't do that and look no further than mcvays press conference after the niners game for proof.

I’m not making a determination on whether it’s the right way to coach or not but it’s in every sport at every level. I tend to agree that there should be a better way but this is ingrained in the culture. Hopefully we’ve gotten to the point that people don’t come at Goff cuz he didn’t mesh with McVay’s style.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Rams win= Team game.
Rams lose= Goffs fault.
The hypocrisy is mind boggling when it comes to goff.

Except some of, of the losses were directly the result of Goff’s bad turnovers. For example I blame the Miami loss on him directly. How many times does he need to see that same defense and not look shell shocked?

 

[dieterbrock]

Goff's strengths were accentuated in 2017/2018 when the offense was an up tempo, quick strike, keep the D off balance O. His weakness are exposed in the ball control, chew the clock, methodical type O.
Why the offense was tuned down instead of doing what it does best, is beyond me.
But whatever the reason, McVay wanted someone other than Goff to run it.
So here we are.
Stafford is the man, we should have no doubts in his ability.
Goff has his chance to prove he wasnt just the "system" QB.

 

[Selassie I]

If this really is the end all thread for Goff.... which I highly doubt.... I'd like to finally get this off my chest. I'm very surprised that I haven't heard this from anyone else honestly. This has been a massive problem for me since Goff was brought into our beloved franchise.

I thank everything that is holy that the starting QB of The Los Angeles Rams will no longer be wearing the number 16 to honor joe montana. This has absolutely disgusted me and actually angered me since I learned about Goff's reason for picking that fucking number.

If this never disgusted you... maybe you didn't know why he wore #16, or maybe you weren't alive when we had to play against the cheating whiners and that mother fucker who wore #16 for them.

That shit was beyond blasphemous... it was TOTALLY FUCKED.

The complete disrespect is over. Hopefully we bring in a hazmat crew and somehow scrub every molecule of that stench out of our locker room.

 

[Reddog99]

This Goff and Mcvay thing sucks man. I like Goff as player and as a person and it still bothers me that it ended like it did. I supported Goff while he was here and I admitt that sometime during the 2020 season I figured the Goff era in LA had ran its course. I continued to support him and still do even though he's a Lion but it was very difficult to come to terms with the fact he was no longer gonna be a Ram. I like Stafford and look forward to him being a Ram but I still get a sinking feeling when I watch our games with Jared as QB because it feels like it shouldve been different and Goff was supposed to be the guy for years to come. Just bums me out.

What's worse is it feels like it's turning into a Goff vs McVay thing and everyone's choosing sides but to me McVay is the man. I'll continue to support both of these guys but I'm ready for it to be over with. After years of people tearing Goff down he is no longer a Ram and now it feels like Mcvay is the next person in line to get torn down.

I wasn't a fan yet during the GSOT so the last 4 years have been the only winning seasons I've experienced as a Rams fan so I look at McVay as somewhat of a savior. He's young and hes got flaws like anyone else and deserves criticism at times but he is what gives me hope for the Rams future. And ultimately the Rams and their future is all that matters. With Mcvay as the HC were gonna be ok but if we lose him were likely looking at dark times again so while it's fair to criticize him let's also remember to count our blessings.

 

[Angry Ram]

Rams win= Team game.
Rams lose= Goffs fault.
The hypocrisy is mind boggling when it comes to goff.

There's also a group of people that when the Rams lose it will be b/c of Austin Blythe or Sean McVay getting pass happy, etc. Can't blame the QB even tho he doesn't hold his end of the bargain. Can't have it both ways man.

He had at least 1 TO in all but 4 games, two of which happened in the first 4 weeks. Multiple TOs in 3 games. Wasn't there a stat somewhere that he is second in the league in TOs the past couple years only behind Jameis Wintson, who didn't even play last year? So active QBs technically he would be leading the league in TOs, no?

Those TOs add up and costs games. He became unreliable. Compare that to a guy like Ryan Tannehill, who had a whopping EIGHT total, picks and lost fumbles. Deshaun Watson had 10 total, and at one point had the longest streak with attempts and no picks despite being on a terrible org. Baker had 12 total. Rookie Joe Burrow and probably the worst team had 9 total. All these QBs and many others outplayed him this year, especially in crunch time. Couldn't even outscore Nick Mullen. SMH.

And people are worried that coach was too hard on him?

 

[Angry Ram]

If this really is the end all thread for Goff.... which I highly doubt.... I'd like to finally get this off my chest. I'm very surprised that I haven't heard this from anyone else honestly. This has been a massive problem for me since Goff was brought into our beloved franchise.

I thank everything that is holy that the starting QB of The Los Angeles Rams will no longer be wearing the number 16 to honor joe montana. This has absolutely disgusted me and actually angered me since I learned about Goff's reason for picking that fucking number.

If this never disgusted you... maybe you didn't know why he wore #16, or maybe you weren't alive when we had to play against the cheating whiners and that mother fucker who wore #16 for them.

That shit was beyond blasphemous... it was TOTALLY FUCKED.

The complete disrespect is over. Hopefully we bring in a hazmat crew and somehow scrub every molecule of that stench out of our locker room.

I didn't notice the number connection, but I did know he grew up a shitter fan and idolized Joe Montana. Which was really weird early on but I got used to it.

 

[Selassie I]

I didn't notice the number connection, but I did know he grew up a shitter fan and idolized Joe Montana. Which was really weird early on but I got used to it.

An old bastard like me who lived through the years of playing against that SOB isn't able to "get used to it". It was sacrilegious. Like fighting words.

 

[OldSchool]

LOL last Goff thread. The people who are hating on him will make multiple threads weekly during the season and turn GDT and other threads into threads where they can shit on him. It's Bradford/Warner 3.0.

 

[Angry Ram]

An old bastard like me who lived through the years of playing against that SOB isn't able to "get used to it". It was sacrilegious. Like fighting words.

 

[Liberator]

Hard to do your job to the best of your abilities if your boss is criticizing you in front of your coworkers. You're basically a target at that point and even the tiniest thing you do wrong will get magnified by 100x. That's why you never do that in a leadership position ever.

The ESPN article says McVay basically never bashed Goff in front of the other players and it was actually getting to a point where other players were upset about Goff getting preferential treatment.

 

[OldSchool]

The ESPN article says McVay basically never bashed Goff in front of the other players and it was actually getting to a point where other players were upset about Goff getting preferential treatment.

Which is utter shit because we've all seen him on Jared on the sidelines when other players were on the same sidelines. Like others have said it sounds like one guy complaining but we'll never likely know the truth. Either way he's on the Lions now we can all move on, if people let us.

 

[baconandbread]

If this really is the end all thread for Goff.... which I highly doubt.... I'd like to finally get this off my chest. I'm very surprised that I haven't heard this from anyone else honestly. This has been a massive problem for me since Goff was brought into our beloved franchise.

I thank everything that is holy that the starting QB of The Los Angeles Rams will no longer be wearing the number 16 to honor joe montana. This has absolutely disgusted me and actually angered me since I learned about Goff's reason for picking that fucking number.

If this never disgusted you... maybe you didn't know why he wore #16, or maybe you weren't alive when we had to play against the cheating whiners and that mother fucker who wore #16 for them.

That shit was beyond blasphemous... it was TOTALLY FUCKED.

The complete disrespect is over. Hopefully we bring in a hazmat crew and somehow scrub every molecule of that stench out of our locker room.

Have I got some news for you about McVay..

 

[NJRamsFan]

I’ve never seen a guy enjoy the relative success Goff did draw so much hate from a fan base and still don’t understand it. He was professional on and off the field and by all accounts a good guy and yet he gets shit on relentlessly he’s not even our qb anymore and people in essentially every thread are still talking about how awful he was...I see just as much if not more trash talk about Goff as I do support for Stafford and excitement for next year which is really hard to comprehend....that’s not how you’re supposed to fan.

He was imperfect, goofy, and developed a tendency to turn the ball over too much. He also gave us some exciting seasons and top offenses. Say you what you want but he’s done nothing to deserve the strong hate he receives from this fan base.

anyway that’s the way I’ll end it in the Goff thread to end all Goff threads. Moving on. /endrant

 

[Selassie I]

Have I got some news for you about McVay..
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LOL

I know. But McSlay doesn't wear it on anything. Especially on the front and back of his shirt during games.

Everyone comes from somewhere, and it's important to not forget where you come from. But it's also extremely important to show respect for the place you hang your hat in the present.