The Goff thread to end all Goff threads

[Angry Ram]

I might be wrong here. But I believe Goff only had 2 turnovers in his last 6 games with none in the playoffs. He adjusted and buckled down there late in the year. Ironically, it was coaching and the other parts of team that failed when we got to the divisional round.

Jets. All they had to do was win this and secure a playoff spot. Instead they entered a week 17 must win in on a losing streak with a backup rookie UDFA QB.

Shitters. Twice.

Second shitbird game.

Dolphins (was willingto give this one a mulligan if it was a one off).

Almost the Tampa game.

At least 5 games mightve swung the other way if not for turnovers. The negatives outweigh the small positives. Hey I stated many times early in the year it looked like he was gonna have a career year. He regressed. Shouldn't happen at this point in a career.

 

[FrantikRam]

I didn't get that at all.

The article says he did struggle occasionally when Goff first had to read 0 coverage, but that's about it.
Goff and McVay had differences on play calling and game plan.
We've seen this before.
Take Rogers for example. He's much happier and even improved this past year, due to the fact that he has input in what plays he likes to run.

As far as putting in the time? The article said he did.

As far as Goff not having thick skin. It did seem that Goff didn't react well to the yelling and constant criticism.
The article talked about how Lafleur and Taylor were a good buffer between Goff and McVay.
Having 5 qb coaches in 5 years didn't exactly help.

Regarding coverages (not just talking about cover zero):

"Goff struggled to recognize coverage disguises and didn't consistently identify coverage post snap as the play developed. When a defense ran Cover Zero with no safeties deep, his decision-making process often didn't happen quickly enough to hit the big play."

Regarding putting in the time (not a good look for the backup to put in more time when the starter was struggling - different story if he was having more success):

"With a hired nutritionist, throwing coach and personal trainer outside of the Rams' facility, Goff put in the work required of most starting NFL quarterbacks. But when compared to Wolford, whom some refer to as Baby Brees, it fell short.

Wolford arrived early during the week for practices -- 6:30 a.m. -- and stayed late, even when he was on the practice squad. "Just a different animal," a league source said."


This isn't good:

"The Arizona-Seattle weeks, those were our best weeks of practices," another team source said. "The confidence of the team was high."



And the most damning of all:

Throughout the building, tension rose in regard to McVay's handling of Goff, whom some thought the coach did not hold accountable like others.

"We get our ass chewed out for f---ups," a team source said. "But the stuff with the quarterback gets swept under the rug."



With this last quote - on the one hand you have Goff feeling like McVay is too hard on him, while at least some of the players didn't think McVay was hard enough on him.

 

[dieterbrock]

I generally agree with that. I’m probably one of the top Goff supporters on this site the last two years and aren’t criticizing him. But I saw the writing on the wall after those last three games of the season unfortunately.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. With folks on this board? They were bagging on him ranging from day 1 until guys like you who hung on as long as possible. With McVay? I just dont see it. IF Goff doesnt break his thumb, he's still the QB IMO

 

[Dodgersrf]

Regarding coverages (not just talking about cover zero):

"Goff struggled to recognize coverage disguises and didn't consistently identify coverage post snap as the play developed. When a defense ran Cover Zero with no safeties deep, his decision-making process often didn't happen quickly enough to hit the big play."

Regarding putting in the time (not a good look for the backup to put in more time when the starter was struggling - different story if he was having more success):

"With a hired nutritionist, throwing coach and personal trainer outside of the Rams' facility, Goff put in the work required of most starting NFL quarterbacks. But when compared to Wolford, whom some refer to as Baby Brees, it fell short.

Wolford arrived early during the week for practices -- 6:30 a.m. -- and stayed late, even when he was on the practice squad. "Just a different animal," a league source said."


This isn't good:

"The Arizona-Seattle weeks, those were our best weeks of practices," another team source said. "The confidence of the team was high."



And the most damning of all:

Throughout the building, tension rose in regard to McVay's handling of Goff, whom some thought the coach did not hold accountable like others.

"We get our ass chewed out for f---ups," a team source said. "But the stuff with the quarterback gets swept under the rug."



With this last quote - on the one hand you have Goff feeling like McVay is too hard on him, while at least some of the players didn't think McVay was hard enough on him.

Finish reading the story.
It talks about how McVay became increasingly hard on Goff in front of other teammates.

 

[rams1fan]

PHENOMENAL article. Shows great insight and answers question's we figured we knew the answers too.

Sounds like Goff doesn't handle criticism well, and can't read a defense like we assumed was part of the reason he's gone.

It does make me eat crow that maybe he wasn't putting in the time, because it seems like Goff was. And I, I was wrong about that.

I read the article but do not get where you derive that Goff cant handle criticism

 

[HellRam]

Jets. All they had to do was win this and secure a playoff spot. Instead they entered a week 17 must win in on a losing streak with a backup rookie UDFA QB.

Shitters. Twice.

Second shitbird game.

Dolphins (was willingto give this one a mulligan if it was a one off).

Almost the Tampa game.

At least 5 games mightve swung the other way if not for turnovers. The negatives outweigh the small positives. Hey I stated many times early in the year it looked like he was gonna have a career year. He regressed. Shouldn't happen at this point in a career.

I get where you're coming from.

I'll put it this way. I never expected Goff to be a pro-bowl player every year his first few seasons. Sure he regressed. But so did Matt Ryan after his MVP year, so did Russell Wilson the 2nd half of 2020, heck even Aron Rodgers a couple seasons ago. QB production by in large fluctuates. I don't think 2020 Goff is the best he can be. I guess we'll find out.

It's all whatever now. McVay felt like Stafford will be a upgrade. I have my doubts to the extent. Time will tell..

 

[Angry Ram]

I get where you're coming from.

I'll put it this way. I never expected Goff to be a pro-bowl player every year his first few seasons. Sure he regressed. But so did Matt Ryan after his MVP year, so did Russell Wilson the 2nd half of 2020, heck even Aron Rodgers a couple seasons ago. QB production by in large fluctuates. I don't think 2020 Goff is the best he can be. I guess we'll find out.

It's all whatever now. McVay felt like Stafford will be a upgrade. I have my doubts to the extent. Time will tell..

Yeah but see all those guys bounced back that same season or the next.

Really since that bye week in 2018 Jared hasn't been the same. That's 2.5 years of meh play with a shit ton of talent. My frustration boiled over. No one should have to hold their breath whenever their QB throws that ball.

 

[OC_Ram]

I actually look forward to viewing the 2021 Detroit Lion highlights and lowlights. If Goff shreds it up or if Goff is shredded up. I have never cared to see a Lions game prior to this trade so there’s that

 

[rams1fan]

Yeah but see all those guys bounced back that same season or the next.

Really since that bye week in 2018 Jared hasn't been the same. That's 2.5 years of meh play with a shit ton of talent. My frustration boiled over. No one should have to hold their breath whenever their QB throws that ball.

Not 2019. Our line was injured and Gurley was a shell. Basically we were the equivalent of the 2020 lions

 

[FrantikRam]

Finish reading the story.
It talks about how McVay became increasingly hard on Goff in front of other teammates.

I read the whole thing. But this quote was most likely after the trade, so it would encompass the full season.

And even if it didn't, Goff was right up there with the OL last year in terms of reasons why we were losing, so IMO McVay should have been getting on Jared last year - maybe he was, I don't know - but to see that quote in this article talking about this year, makes me think that he wasn't.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I actually look forward to viewing the 2021 Detroit Lion highlights and lowlights. If Goff shreds it up or if Goff is shredded up. I have never cared to see a Lions game prior to this trade so there’s that

you know why? because their uniforms are awful. horrible on tv. it doesn't help that they suck but they're just not an enjoyable team to watch on tv.

when barry sanders was there i would watch every game they would show of them locally just to see him play. and even then they just didn't look good on the screen.

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[El Chapo Jr]

That's something that McVay is gonna have to be better about going forward.

The Gruden tree is EXCEPTIONALLY hard on QBs and that mess won't cut it after Stafford.

I think Stafford is a perfect fit and McVay won't have those issues. However, when Stafford is done, he'll need a Wolford... someone as insanely dedicated as he is or it won't work.

Chucky never liked rookie QBs and always preferred vets. I get that.

As a parent, I love babies. I just get them. When my new grandbaby is wailing up a storm, everyone looks to me to calm her down and almost every time I can calm her within a few moments. My mom, otoh, just really didn't like the whole baby time. She preferred once I was able to speak and exercise some agency.

I'm not calling rookie QBs babies. Rather, I'm using the analogy that younger QBs are faced with different challenges. The NFL has never been more complicated often new QBs don't have the language or tools built up to communicate what they need. Couple that with Zennials (late millennials and early Gen Z) players have for the most part not grown up around the McVay kind of intensity and what starts out well can quickly sour.

This has the potential to be McVay's Achilles heal... and the one drawback to Stafford is that I don't think McVay will have to do ANY personal communication adjustments or improve on that beyond tailoring the message to Stafford. And while that should speed things up for Matthew, it has the potential to further alienate McVay from relating to the next gen of QBs coming out of college. And if there's anything that can derail McVay, it'd be having success under Stafford and then having it all unravel with a rookie QB... because Staffords don't grow on trees and they aren't available every off-season. Not even close.

I really hope McVay uses this time to continue to grow his communication to match his intention, commitment and intensity or Stafford will merely be a stay in the downfall of McVay. For few other coaches is the mind meld between HC and QB more important than with McVay and his QB...and the onus of communication is on the one doing the communication.

I mean, we've all been around that person... family, friend, boss, relationship...w/e... and it was their mode of communication more than anything else that undid the relationship.

I really hope for all of our sakes that McVay works on this. It'll be critically important for our long term success.

He just needs to talk to Dick Vermeil if he wants to get better on the emotional side of football.

 

[Angry Ram]

Not 2019. Our line was injured and Gurley was a shell. Basically we were the equivalent of the 2020 lions

Jared also had 16 picks. I will say 2019 wasn't all on him but it's not like they had good, consistent QB play.

 

[rams1fan]

Jared also had 16 picks. I will say 2019 wasn't all on him but it's not like they had good, consistent QB play.

In 2013 ans 2014 stafford had more picks and he had megatron and golden Taint.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

In 2013 ans 2014 stafford had more picks and he had megatron and golden Taint.

Can't stop laughing at Golden Taint lol

 

[Ramit]

Sean McVay, Jared Goff's Deteriorating Relationship Detailed in ESPN Report

There were times in 2020 when it seemed like Jared Goff and Sean McVay were on different pages, but a new report has shed a light on just how bad things had...

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[Ellard80]

this is already in another thread.

 

[Ramit]

I dont know how to get the article text included in the post. It will not allow me to copy and paste.

 

[Ramit]

this is already in another thread.

I am sorry! I had not seen it anywhere else. Mods please delete at your discretion!

 

[Rams4life]

No offense to the op but please no more Goff articles lol