The Goff thread to end all Goff threads

[Elmgrovegnome]

Shiiiit dude, I was big mad when McVay went empty inside the red zone on the play where Goff got creamed by Ogbah and Miami returned the fumble for a TD. Miami had just baited us into a pick using a C-0 pressure package when we went empty two drives before that. As soon as we came out in the empty set, I was yelling at my TV, "No, change the play! DON'T GO EMPTY!"

Yeah, one would hope Goff would do a better job of responding on his feet. But it's also on the play caller to recognize where the defense's game plan has you outflanked and not put your QB in positions where the defense can easily exploit a weakness. McVay can be angry all he wants about Goff not executing what he called, but the dude did him no favors that day with the play calling in the first half. And no, my criticism of McVay's shortcomings doesn't mean I excuse Goff's on that day either.

Regardless, McVay has his veteran QB now. As you said, he has the guy whom he believes can take his offense to the next level. We shall see what happens.

Yeah they shredded that defense after the adjustments. But it wasn’t the same pressure defense that was played in the first three quarters.

 

[Tano]

Yeah they shredded that defense after the adjustments. But it wasn’t the same pressure defense that was played in the first three quarters.

You're right that Miami didn't play the same pressure defense. But the reason why was that the Rams figured out what plays would work against that defense and Miami had to get out of it quick. Otherwise the Rams would just go down the field for TD after TD. The Rams still almost won that game anyway if not for an Everett drop.

 

[Tano]

But all of you Goff apologists try their damndest to argue around it.

I don't call you a Goff hater so don't call us a Goff Apologist - very insulting

If you have to call me anything, I was a Goff Supporter.

But now I am a Stafford supporter.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I don't call you a Goff hater so don't call us a Goff Apologist - very insulting

If you have to call me anything, I was a Goff Supporter.

But now I am a Stafford supporter.

Supporter/apologist. Same thing imo. Look up the definition. It’s not an insult.

Apologist - a person who argues in the defense of something controversial https://www.bing.com/opalredirect?o...-us%26setplang%3Den-us&q=apologist definition

I supported him since before he was drafted and I found that in 2019 and 2020 I was defending his mistakes, up until I realized that there is no defense of mistakes that he continues to make and never grows out of.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Supporter/apologist. Same thing imo. Look up the definition. It’s not an insult.

Apologist - a person who argues in the defense of something controversial https://www.bing.com/opalredirect?opalurl=opal://search?q=apologist%20definition&c=bingSearch&url=https://www.bing.com/opalweb?form%3DOPGNFB%26color%3D00809D%26darkscheme%3D1%26unixTime%3D1616836955%26omwq%3D0%26q%3Dapologist%2520definition%26safesearch%3Doff%26pc%3DOPALIOS%26pns%3D0%26setmkt%3Den-us%26setlang%3Den-us%26setplang%3Den-us&q=apologist definition

I supported him since before he was drafted and I found that in 2019 and 2020 I was defending his mistakes, up until I realized that there is no defense of mistakes that he continues to make and never grows out of.

Then why not use “supporter”

Sorry but most take being called an apologist as an insult, that word has no place here and I’m pretty sure you know it.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Then why not use “supporter”

Sorry but most take being called an apologist as an insult, that word has no place here and I’m pretty sure you know it.

I don’t consider it an insult. It’s not an insult. But if it upsets ppl I’ll use Supporter. I never saw a rule against it though.

 

[MachS]

Threads like this continue to divide a lot of people on here. I'm sure a lot of the pro Goff crowd are still hurting and it's understandable. But I'm counting down the days until this thread is locked and people can finally move on. McVay and the franchise made a decision and I'm excited to see Stafford spin it next year. For some people discussing Goff every single day is an addiction at this point.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Threads like this continue to divide a lot of people on here. I'm sure a lot of the pro Goff crowd are still hurting and it's understandable. But I'm counting down the days until this thread is locked and people can finally move on. McVay and the franchise made a decision and I'm excited to see Stafford spin it next year. For some people discussing Goff every single day is an addiction at this point.

Much like the Covid19 thread, on one hand it helps the forum numbers, on the other it possibly creates animosity’s between members whom usually get along

I like to think that even though we have our differences here (most know where I stand) at the end of the day we don’t hold grudges

 

[Tano]

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Much like the Covid19 thread, on one hand it helps the forum numbers, on the other it possibly creates animosity’s between members whom usually get along

I like to think that even though we have our differences here (most know where I stand) at the end of the day we don’t hold grudges

If I am still discussing a topic with someone, I have no ill will toward them. We may disagree but that doesn't mean that I hate them.

If they get to the point that they piss me off I just won't talk with them anymore and put them on ignore.

I don't think I have had to do that yet.`

And to give a specific example - I am not upset with Elmgrovegnome (your name is too long though lol) - I just got annoyed with that one statement.

Otherwise I am completely okay with what he says.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

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Also @MachS

If I am still discussing a topic with someone, I have no ill will toward them. We may disagree but that doesn't mean that I hate them.

If they get to the point that they piss me off I just won't talk with them anymore and put them on ignore.

I don't think I have had to do that yet.`

And to give a specific example - I am not upset with Elmgrovegnome (your name is too long though lol) - I just got annoyed with that one statement.

Otherwise I am completely okay with what he says.

If it gets to that then ignore is a great feature. There are ppl here that I disagree with and feel overstep the lines sometimes but that happens in real life too. My college roommate and I go at it over politics sometimes like mad dogs but we still remain friends.

There is only one guy on here I ever put on ignore and one I personally told off in a message. Who tried to report me and he found out what’s said in private doesn’t matter to mods. So he left.

It took a lot to get that far with both of these guys. Much more in fact than anything on this thread.

But I agree. These Goff threads may have worn out there usefulness.

 

[Merlin]

"Too much former QB talk, look at my breasts"

Mesmerizing.

 

[Merlin]

Again, I know how football works, nothing new. Team sport including the coaches. Nothing new there.

McVay didn’t call a good game plan against Miami. McVay also didn’t game plan for Goff to turn the ball over. That’s the problem. It’s been the problem that makes me use the Miami game as the one that exemplified why I agree with McVay that Goff was holding this team back. Every play this year I cringed waiting for the bad interception. That game was filled with very bad turnovers. Jarred could have thrown the ball away out of play. He could have curled up on the ball when he was getting sacked. He could have spiked the ball. Had Goff done those things there would still be a chance for the Rams to win that game. If Goff did those things then the only thing talked about would have been McVays poor game plan. But with a better QB maybe his game plan would have worked. Maybe we find out next year.

Many QBs in the league have perfected those tactics that Goff still hasn’t. A turnover is worse than a stopped drive, especially when the turnovers end up at 7 points x 4. This is where anyone’s arguments defending Goff’s play fall apart. Goff’s poor decisions, fumbles due to not protecting the ball and poorly thrown balls are the problem. They are his problem. Nobody can do those things for him. But all of you Goff apologists try their damndest to argue around it.

We continue to go in circles here as a board tbh. But I'll add that I don't like Goff's comments immediately following those games. And I don't like Goff's comments from Detroit where he's acting all fucking bewildered about what went down. He knows damn well what happened. It's a bad tell IMO.

But that's ok. This league is about what you can do on the field. When you reach a point where your game is not there for whatever reason, you get discarded. No matter what position you play. So 2021 is Goff's chance to show the doubters he can ball. Or not. Where Detroit is smart is they get a chance to hit on Goff but even if he sucks they have picks to go get another QB. So maybe Jared realizes that and takes advantage of this new start but if not frankly I don't give a damn.

 

[Merlin]

Supporter/apologist. Same thing imo. Look up the definition. It’s not an insult.

Apologist - a person who argues in the defense of something controversial https://www.bing.com/opalredirect?opalurl=opal://search?q=apologist%20definition&c=bingSearch&url=https://www.bing.com/opalweb?form%3DOPGNFB%26color%3D00809D%26darkscheme%3D1%26unixTime%3D1616836955%26omwq%3D0%26q%3Dapologist%2520definition%26safesearch%3Doff%26pc%3DOPALIOS%26pns%3D0%26setmkt%3Den-us%26setlang%3Den-us%26setplang%3Den-us&q=apologist definition

I supported him since before he was drafted and I found that in 2019 and 2020 I was defending his mistakes, up until I realized that there is no defense of mistakes that he continues to make and never grows out of.

I prefer the term athletic supporter.

 

[Ballhawk]

Mesmerizing.

Thread recharged!

 

[Merlin]

Wife walked by and said "I can see why you like that board so much."

 

[I like Rams]

Hijack!!

 

[Shuie3225]

Okay I like what this thread is turning into.

 

[Merlin]

Okay I like what this thread is turning into.

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[Tano]

I was yelling at the TV too.

Then I noticed that the way Miami was playing that a WR screen would work every time against that specific formation Miami was running where they had 6 guys line up tight at the line of scrimmage and 5 guys 5 to 7 yards back.

It would get at least 5 to 10 yards everytime they did that.

Then finally late in the third the Rams did just that and they gained almost 10 yards and every time Miami went into that formation the Rams threw a WR screen and got over 10 yards each time.

Finally Miami went out of that formation and Goff started to shred Miami. I don't know why McVay took so long to adapt.

Was he being stubborn?

That Miami game I primarily blamed McVay not Goff.

Goff made some horrible decisions but McVay didn't help him out with that play calling in the first 3 qtrs.

Sorry for derailing this thread because I did like the way this was going.

Elmgrovegnome - you may haha me on this but I re-watched the game just now.

Yes Loyal - I am still a masochist.

Anyway - there were about 10 to 15 times that the Rams went 5 wide and each time Miami had 6 (and even twice 7 guys) at the line of scrimmage with the other 4 or 5 guys 5 to 7 yards back.

3 times in the 4th quarter the Rams threw a WR screen against that defense.

I was wrong about how many yards the Rams got. I admit it. My memory sometimes fails me.

The Rams got 15 yards EACH time. 15 YARDS!! 3 TIMES!! ALL IN THE 4th Qtr against the very same defense that Goff threw 2 interceptions and fumbled twice.

If McVay had called those same plays in the first half - Miami doesn't run that defense anymore and the Rams win handily - probably 35 - 7. (I will allow an interception return for a TD until the Rams figure out that a WR screen works every time against that defense.)

Why did it take so long to figure out a simple play like a WR screen would work against that defense.

I just shake my head.

It was a terrible game by Goff with his decision making but McVay had his really terrible game on his play calls until the 4th qtr.

So HAHA all you want Elm but I truly believe McVay messed up that game. I agree wholeheartedly though that Goff was terrible on those plays as well. He definitely should have thrown quicker passes.

However, re-watch it and look at the WR screens in the 4th qtr and look at the same plays in the first half where Goff had a turnover.

You will see - believe me.

Anyway I just had to make sure my memory was mostly correct on this game. Sorry for bringing Goff up AGAIN. This is the last time. I promise. He shall be "He who shall remain nameless" from now on in my book.

I need to find a Boobie picture to put this thread back on its rightful path.

 

[jrry32]

Again, I know how football works, nothing new. Team sport including the coaches. Nothing new there.

McVay didn’t call a good game plan against Miami. McVay also didn’t game plan for Goff to turn the ball over. That’s the problem. It’s been the problem that makes me use the Miami game as the one that exemplified why I agree with McVay that Goff was holding this team back. Every play this year I cringed waiting for the bad interception. That game was filled with very bad turnovers. Jarred could have thrown the ball away out of play. He could have curled up on the ball when he was getting sacked. He could have spiked the ball. Had Goff done those things there would still be a chance for the Rams to win that game. If Goff did those things then the only thing talked about would have been McVays poor game plan. But with a better QB maybe his game plan would have worked. Maybe we find out next year.

Many QBs in the league have perfected those tactics that Goff still hasn’t. A turnover is worse than a stopped drive, especially when the turnovers end up at 7 points x 4. This is where anyone’s arguments defending Goff’s play fall apart. Goff’s poor decisions, fumbles due to not protecting the ball and poorly thrown balls are the problem. They are his problem. Nobody can do those things for him. But all of you Goff apologists try their damndest to argue around it.

I pointed out the same issue with Goff. He needed to learn to take a sack and live to play another down. Later in the season, he finally started doing that and protecting the ball (mostly). But if you and I knew that was a problem, McVay knew that was a problem, right? This goes back to my point about a play caller needing to know his QB's weaknesses and do his best to cover them. That's why I've strongly disagreed with the people who aren't willing to put any blame on McVay for our offense's issues in certain games last year. McVay shouldn't escape criticism just because Goff screwed up too. Both were at fault. And both deserved credit when things went well. I can only hope that McVay and Stafford proves to be a better pairing.