The Goff thread to end all Goff threads

[wolfdogg]

Goff turned it over one time in the Jets game. We lost to a team that had zero wins. And you have found a way to put the blame on the QB and not on the HC. Thanks for proving my point.

Your're welcome, I guess, although I don't know what point of yours you think I proved. I'm not saying the coaches, including staley, were not responsible, but watching goff in the first half, he didn't even look like an NFL qb. Seriously, if you have the stomach for it go watch that first half again and pay specific attention to jared.. Horrible horrible throws, even the short ones. Bad decisions and bad throws are not the coach's fault.

 

[wolfdogg]

Actually, Goff's lack of TDs over the past two years is mostly on McVay's situational play-calling.

Well, he did miss more than a few wide open receivers for td's. And the league leading 39 giveaways were not due to play calling

 

[Angry Ram]

Well, he did miss more than a few wide open receivers for td's. And the league leading 39 giveaways were not due to play calling

Why everyone wants to gloss over the TOs, I don't get.

 

[dieterbrock]

Goff turned it over one time in the Jets game. We lost to a team that had zero wins at that time (0-13). And you have found a way to put the blame on the QB and not on the HC. Thanks for proving my point.

And couldnt stop a team that was scoring 12 points per game with Darnold, that could only score 3 against Seattle the week before, yet hung 23 on the Rams with 2 crucial 1st downs to run out the clock with 4 minutes left in the game

 

[dieterbrock]

Why everyone wants to gloss over the TOs, I don't get.

Well, to be fair, Stafford had 44 turnovers between 2012 & 2013. Throw a lot of passes, balls are gonna get picked.
Thing about Goff is that he only has had 2 turnovers in 5 playoff games

 

[wolfdogg]

Actually, Goff's lack of TDs over the past two years is mostly on McVay's situational play-calling.

In 2019 Goff's expected completion percentage was 4% less than his actual completion percentage which was only better than minchew another rookie I can't remember and baker.

When your qb is missing the open guy more than just about anyone, tied for 4th in int's and can't read the field that well, you may lean on plays that don't rely on him throwing it downfield so yeah, I can see why mcvay may have downsized that part of the playbook. Hey, look, you proved my point.

I'm not a jared basher. I loved that the rams moved up for him. Gave him a mulligan his rookie year due to to fisheritis, and thought he'd bounce back from 2019, but at some point you just have to see him for what he is on the field. I wish him well but all things considered, this year is going to be a disaster for him and detroit. He was more set up for success in LA and he didn't come through. Now he's in a sketchy situation that's really going to test him. I hope he succeeds. I really do.

 

[LA_Rams_#29]

fuck me, i'm so sick about mcvay being in goffs ear. that was 2017.

in 2018 when fox were broadcasting rams games they would split the screen into 3 shots before a few plays. one of the timer, one of mcvay and one of goff. they kept it like that until the 15 sec mark. mcvay wasn't saying shit apart from calling the play. fox gave up in the end.

it's all bullshit. it's sickening that rams fans slurped it up.

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Watching a QB either regress or not improve in every aspect isn't slurping anything...it's accepting the reality that said QB isn't getting any better.

Going from the worst offense to the best in 1 season certainly brought a level of scrutiny about McVay in Goff's headset..... but it's obvious that Goff was not getting better at making his reads...that's simply not up for debate.

 

[wolfdogg]

Well, to be fair, Stafford had 44 turnovers between 2012 & 2013. Throw a lot of passes, balls are gonna get picked.
Thing about Goff is that he only has had 2 turnovers in 5 playoff games

to be more fair to matt it was 36 picks with 49 td's and despite just 2 turnovers, jared had only 4 td's in 6 post season games, 7 games if you count the SB. That's not bad. That's horrible. 4 td's in 7 games. That's only one more than Matt and Matt's only been in one playoff game against the saints.

 

[kurtfaulk]

When you watch the film it tells the story, how McVay schemes people wide open, how easy the throws are.

so are you saying mcvay is the only coach in the league that tries to scheme receivers open and no other qbs in the league have easy throws?

what are the other coaches doing? following the jeff fisher offense where nobody is open and the qb has to make impossible throws to get a completion?

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[kurtfaulk]

Watching a QB either regress or not improve in every aspect isn't slurping anything...it's accepting the reality that said QB isn't getting any better.

Going from the worst offense to the best in 1 season certainly brought a level of scrutiny about McVay in Goff's headset..... but it's obvious that Goff was not getting better at making his reads...that's simply not up for debate.

i get it but don't use the mcvay in goff's ear bit. my blood boils every time i read it. nobody was happy with goff's turnovers or missed throws to wide open receivers last season. something was wrong, or mcvay couldn't wait anymore for goff to move to the next level, and now he finds himself in detroit.

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[GoodBadUgly]

This Goff thread to end all Goff threads goes on and on my my friends. It’s a thread that will not end.

The irony is I posted a "Last Goff Thread" about a week after the trade was first announced (unofficially) since I was sick of the arguing.

Everyone complained like:

Now I post this thread, about my frustration with losing a chance at the SB, and it is renamed "Last Goff Thread" and the thread looks like this:

 

[jrry32]

Your're welcome, I guess, although I don't know what point of yours you think I proved. I'm not saying the coaches, including staley, were not responsible, but watching goff in the first half, he didn't even look like an NFL qb. Seriously, if you have the stomach for it go watch that first half again and pay specific attention to jared.. Horrible horrible throws, even the short ones. Bad decisions and bad throws are not the coach's fault.

They are when the coach has a crap game plan. I remember the interior OL getting routinely blown up by Quinnen Williams and Nathan Shepherd in that game. Hell, even John Franklin-Myers was getting in on the action.

Well, he did miss more than a few wide open receivers for td's. And the league leading 39 giveaways were not due to play calling

Not a single one was due to play calling? Boy, it must be nice to be McVay.

In 2019 Goff's expected completion percentage was 4% less than his actual completion percentage which was only better than minchew another rookie I can't remember and baker.

The metric I see has him at 2% less and rated 22nd. But when you look at his EPA/CPOE composite, he was league average in 2019 and ranked just above Tom Brady.

When your qb is missing the open guy more than just about anyone, tied for 4th in int's and can't read the field that well, you may lean on plays that don't rely on him throwing it downfield so yeah, I can see why mcvay may have downsized that part of the playbook. Hey, look, you proved my point.

It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where bad offensive play is due to Jared Goff and good offensive play is due to Sean McVay. If I were to embrace your sort of thinking, I'd just blame all of Goff's turnovers on McVay.

I'm not a jared basher. I loved that the rams moved up for him. Gave him a mulligan his rookie year due to to fisheritis, and thought he'd bounce back from 2019, but at some point you just have to see him for what he is on the field. I wish him well but all things considered, this year is going to be a disaster for him and detroit. He was more set up for success in LA and he didn't come through. Now he's in a sketchy situation that's really going to test him. I hope he succeeds. I really do.

And if things aren't a disaster in Detroit, what will your conclusions be?

 

[jrry32]

to be more fair to matt it was 36 picks with 49 td's and despite just 2 turnovers, jared had only 4 td's in 6 post season games, 7 games if you count the SB. That's not bad. That's horrible. 4 td's in 7 games. That's only one more than Matt and Matt's only been in one playoff game against the saints.

Your stats are wrong. Matt Stafford has played in three playoff games (all losses). And Goff has played in only six playoff games (with a 3-3 record).

 

[Classic Rams]

I find it amusing that one of the gripes here on Goff was that he was previously a 9er fan and wore Montana's number. I read about that too back when the Rams drafted him. I went "Ugh" to myself and that was it. I don't think Goff was wearing it to stick it to the Rams. I'm a Whiner hater as much as the biggest Whiner haters out there, but that jersey # didn't bother me much. Players support their old favorites. Now if he wore any Whiner gear around I'd be pissed, but he didn't. Actually if you turn the thing around, Goff was wearing Montana's # and sticking it in the Whiners faces in 2017 and 2018 with it. That was some nice trolling.

 

[wolfdogg]

They are when the coach has a crap game plan. I remember the interior OL getting routinely blown up by Quinnen Williams and Nathan Shepherd in that game. Hell, even John Franklin-Myers was getting in on the action.



Not a single one was due to play calling? Boy, it must be nice to be McVay.



The metric I see has him at 2% less and rated 22nd. But when you look at his EPA/CPOE composite, he was league average in 2019 and ranked just above Tom Brady.



It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where bad offensive play is due to Jared Goff and good offensive play is due to Sean McVay. If I were to embrace your sort of thinking, I'd just blame all of Goff's turnovers on McVay.


caouint
And if things aren't a disaster in Detroit, what will your conclusions be?

Again, bad throws and bad decisions by the qb on who to throw it to are on the qb regardless of whether or not the game plan is good or bad. I don't know how you blame any coach for any qb missing a wide open receiver 15 yards downfield or fumbling the ball or throwing a pick 6 in the flat.

Maybe it was 2020 when he was 4 points less than expected completion rate but the bottom line is anyone thinking goff is taking this team to a championship is the one in fantasyland, Stafford clearly gives the rams a better chance to do that and if things arent a disaster in detroit, well, I guess I was totally wrong, right? But for now, recent history is not on goff's side.

And, "If I were to to embrace your way of thinking, I'd just blame all of goff's turnovers on McVay" Seriously? Your're better than that. If you showed anyone who knows anything about football all of goff's picks last year would they be saying, well, he wasn't looking on that one, and on that one he was falling backward. That one he just threw up for grabs and that one he threw to where the receiver wasn't. I don't know who he was looking at with that one. Or, would they be saying, yep, that's some shitty play calling. Go back and look at those picks and fumbles and tell which ones were mcvay's fault.

 

[André]

I heard it was always about the hand size.

 

[wolfdogg]

Your stats are wrong. Matt Stafford has played in three playoff games (all losses). And Goff has played in only six playoff games (with a 3-3 record).

my bad on that. he does have 3 losses with 3 picks and 4 td's. I was counting the SB as part of goff's 7 post season games. 4 td's in 7 games with this offense is pathetic and I'd say that no matter who was qb.

 

[jrry32]

my bad on that. he does have 3 losses with 3 picks and 4 td's. I was counting the SB as part of goff's 7 post season games. 4 td's in 7 games with this offense is pathetic and I'd say that no matter who was qb.

If you count the Super Bowl, Goff has played in six postseason games (1 in 2017, 3 in 2018, and 2 in 2020).

 

[jrry32]

Again, bad throws and bad decisions by the qb on who to throw it to are on the qb regardless of whether or not the game plan is good or bad. I don't know how you blame any coach for any qb missing a wide open receiver 15 yards downfield or fumbling the ball or throwing a pick 6 in the flat.

Yet, you credit the coach when the QB makes the right throws and reads. You see why that comes off as hypocritical to me, right?

Maybe it was 2020 when he was 4 points less than expected completion rate

Nope, it was 1% better than expected.

And, "If I were to to embrace your way of thinking, I'd just blame all of goff's turnovers on McVay" Seriously? Your're better than that.

Yeah, I am better than doing that. So ask yourself why you think it's proper to even blame McVay's play-calling failures on Goff. It's baffling. When the offense succeeds, it's McVay's doing. When the offense fails, it's Goff's doing.

 

[Liberator]

Why everyone wants to gloss over the TOs, I don't get.

The number of turnovers was unforgivable. Can't be a serious team doing that.