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I also need to apologize since I should have been more specific on 3rd and 10 or more and what situations.

I have said more than once in the past that once Morris gets inside the 20, he does a very good job keeping teams out of the end zone.

So we can't count those 3rd and 10 failures because they don't frustrate me. It is the ones before they get to the 20.

For example, in the first Seattle game, the Rams had Seattle at 3rd and 10 or longer twice in the game. Both were inside the 20 and both times they failed.

Can't count them because Morris always does a very good job inside the 20 at holding teams to field goals.
 

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San Francisco - only 1 play at 3rd and 10 and longer - failed but it was SF last drive of the game and it was 3rd and 25 and they were up by two scores.

Due to game circumstance - can't really count it.

Stats give good trends of what is happening but you can't always go by stats because of game circumstances.

In the first two games - Rams opponents failed on 3 3rd and 10 and longer and all of them can't count due to the game circumstance.

That's why you can say all the stats you want but you also have to go by game circumstances as well.

And I doubt there are stats out there that take into consideration game circumstances.

So you can give me stats all you want but sometimes stats don't mean shit without the underlying circumstances included as well.
 

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I will have to go back this year, play by play to determine if you are right or if my theory that they give up almost all the yards back is right.
Do that. Would like to see your research I do not exactly know what your theory is but by all means. I must have missed something because I think I responded to a lot of the charges. But always willing to see ... I just would need to understand what "they gave almost all the yards back" means. Honestly don't know what you mean,
The other thing that you have not answered on that I have had a major heart attack from is allowing teams to come back in the 4th qtr when the Rams have a greater than 2 score lead. I don't think my heart can handle these come from behinds.
Well. No one likes losing, no one likes allowing a team to come back to make things close.
 

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I also need to apologize since I should have been more specific on 3rd and 10 or more and what situations.

I have said more than once in the past that once Morris gets inside the 20, he does a very good job keeping teams out of the end zone.

So we can't count those 3rd and 10 failures because they don't frustrate me. It is the ones before they get to the 20.

For example, in the first Seattle game, the Rams had Seattle at 3rd and 10 or longer twice in the game. Both were inside the 20 and both times they failed.

Can't count them because Morris always does a very good job inside the 20 at holding teams to field goals.
Is there any way you can maybe consider stop moving the goalpost? It is starting be be one thing, then another, then another. When will it stop?

I get that you're just frustrated, you say you pull your hair out, you have heart attacks (I hope that was hyperbole, don't want bad things to happen to anyone over football) and get emotional about things. That's fine. that's you.

But pretty much everything you've maintained has not proven to be accurate. I don't think it is intentional, I think it's a product of that frustration. People see things and then have a confirmation bias. They have a bad experience in a game with the Rams defense and then they filter out the good and feel like it's awful when something similar happens again.

And you've been asking me to answer every charge you make -- when you use football definitions that are unique to you; terms that are not used in the normal football vernacular kind of makes me frustrated but I've worked with your esoteric words. But it seems a bit much to divide plays based on the level of your frustrations. How am I supposed to know what you feel about each of the scenarios? And how many more will there be?

So, if this "Inside the 20 does not count" limitation is proven false --- that the Rams are not the worst in the NFL or among the worst, not the best in the NFL, somewhere in the middle --- are you finally going to be satisfied? Will you then just say, "Hey, you know, maybe I was wrong?" Will this be the end of it?

If the Rams' defense is okay at 3rd and 10 or more outside the opponent's red zone if it has performed reasonably --- in the same range as they are for the whole, which I have already shown are you going to parse things further? Or change the subject to "Well, what about this? Or what about that? The old

I just want to know what is expected of me to disprove your theories.

So, if I understand --- you currently think the Rams are bad on 3rd and 10 or longer OUTSIDE the red zone? And let's call "bad" --- bottom five? anywhere from 27th to 32nd? Or bottom ten, like from 23-32 which is bottom one-third? That seems reasonable to me.

I say this because if this new caveat is proven false then you may have another frustration about something and at that point I think your should have to contribute proof before you make the charge.

Is that fair?
 

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San Francisco - only 1 play at 3rd and 10 and longer - failed but it was SF last drive of the game and it was 3rd and 25 and they were up by two scores.

Due to game circumstance - can't really count it.

Stats give good trends of what is happening but you can't always go by stats because of game circumstances.

In the first two games - Rams opponents failed on 3 3rd and 10 and longer and all of them can't count due to the game circumstance.

That's why you can say all the stats you want but you also have to go by game circumstances as well.

And I doubt there are stats out there that take into consideration game circumstances.

So you can give me stats all you want but sometimes stats don't mean shit without the underlying circumstances included as well.
Well, if the stats proved your theories right would you say the same? If the Rams were bottom five or bottom ten in any of these things would you say the same things?

And remember you are the one who kept making the charges of accusations about Rams are good 3rd and 6 or less or 5 or less but terrible at 3rd and long. So I show 3rd and 7 or more. They are not awful. Then you want 3rd and 10. Again, not awful, not firable. Now, in another thread, you want 3rd and 10 or more OUTSIDE the 20.

Now you are trying to reject the very stats you requested.

There is this new standard of "game circumstances" which I have no idea what you mean by that. it is occurring to me that nothing will satisfy you. I could take these "game circumstances" and come up with some reasonable definition there, present it to you, your theory fails and then it will be something else you can think of to exaggerate the failure level of the defense.

You see, stats are objective, they don't have feelings. And I go to great lengths, as I said earlier to use stats in context, like over a period of time, not just one game, not just one drive. That is the very definition of context.

But it's not just stats you reject. I show you stills of, say the Bills. That is not a stat it is a shot of the snap ... and you have (if I understand your comments) not accepted that. That what you see with your matters but the still shots or video do not matter,

I also gave you quotes of people, who seem as knowledgeable as anyone, they have their fans and we have ours, who are complaining about the Bills soft zone. And then you throw out your personal definition of what a soft zone is or what tight coverage is -- not the definition most people use. I kind of does not allow for communication.

Essentially you are saying those people who have complained for a few years about McDermott's and Fraziers' soft zone are wrong because you have a different meaning you apply to the word.

See what I am getting at?

If I do all this work and you reject stats, stills, film, and other reasonable people's opinions -- and who have as much credibility as anyone ...
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I also need to apologize since I should have been more specific on 3rd and 10 or more and what situations.

I have said more than once in the past that once Morris gets inside the 20, he does a very good job keeping teams out of the end zone.

So we can't count those 3rd and 10 failures because they don't frustrate me. It is the ones before they get to the 20.

For example, in the first Seattle game, the Rams had Seattle at 3rd and 10 or longer twice in the game. Both were inside the 20 and both times they failed.

Can't count them because Morris always does a very good job inside the 20 at holding teams to field goals.
Okay, so we cannot count 3rd and 10s or more inside the 20. Only from Rams' own 1-yard line to the opponent 20...where the red zone begins...

In 2021-22, the years no one gives Morris credit. This year they like him. They think he's more aggressive, more tight coverage, they give him a pass ... last couple of years he stinks. Now he's okay. Ironically, under this, the "good" Morris, the 2023 Morris, the one people love it's much worse.

Rams offense is 5th. Rams defense is 6th in the NFL.

If 6th best in 2021 and 2022 combined gives you frustration then think of all the other teams. This is why I only use stats in context, within the scope of the conversation, including all teams. And I have worked with you on all of it.

I honestly think you've just been frustrated and were not seeing, in context, what actually was happening. It takes a lot of work and understanding and not everyone has the time to do this or the interest.

You've just been under the wrong impression for 2021-22 and also under the wrong impression of 2023. As I said weeks ago, the defense is not better in 2023. It's a little different, about 5-6-7% more Cover-1.

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Okay, so we cannot count 3rd and 10s or more inside the 20. Only from Rams' own 1-yard line to the opponent 20...where the red zone begins...

In 2021-22, the years no one gives Morris credit. This year they like him. They think he's more aggressive, more tight coverage, they give him a pass ... last couple of years he stinks. Now he's okay. Ironically, under this, the "good" Morris, the 2023 Morris, the one people love it's much worse.

Rams offense is 5th. Rams defense is 6th in the NFL.

If 6th best in 2021 and 2022 combined gives you frustration then think of all the other teams. This is why I only use stats in context, within the scope of the conversation, including all teams. And I have worked with you on all of it.

I honestly think you've just been frustrated and were not seeing, in context, what actually was happening. It takes a lot of work and understanding and not everyone has the time to do this or the interest.

You've just been under the wrong impression for 2021-22 and also under the wrong impression of 2023. As I said weeks ago, the defense is not better in 2023. It's a little different, about 5-6-7% more Cover-1.

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I haven't really been moving the goal posts. I just haven't clarified myself as well as I should have. And I apologize for that.

The frustration with Morris is that outside the red zone on 3rd and 10 or longer and I probably have to limit it to 3rd and 20 at most is when Morris defense tends to give up either:

A - a first down
B - just one or two yards short of a first down.

Note - I think the % is extremely low on 3rd and 20 or longer.

Frequently the other teams go for it on 4th down. Sometimes they make it sometimes they don't. But they should not have been able to go for it in the first place. Again this is just my impression from watching these games. Maybe it isn't as bad as you say but I am going to double check the 3rd downs and long just to make sure that it did not occur as frequently as I believe it has.

That is my entire basis for my frustration with this defense. And again I am not against Morris this year. He has done a hell of a job.

In addition, I have never called Morris stupid or Morris does not know what he is doing. I just feel he is extremely conservative at times and I want him to be a little bit more aggressive. I gave Buffalo as an example because they are not as conservative on their 3rd downs as Morris is.

I should probably add that it might be just certain games that I was frustrated at and it is those games that is lodged in my memories.
 
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I haven't really been moving the goal posts. I just haven't clarified myself as well as I should have. And I apologize for that.

The frustration with Morris is that outside the red zone on 3rd and 10 or longer and I probably have to limit it to 3rd and 20 at most is when Morris defense tends to give up either:
So now it's just between 3rd and 10 and 3rd and 20 and outside the red zone? That is moving the goal posts again. And no need to apologize ... but I've looked uyp everything you've asked.

A - a first down
B - just one or two yards short of a first down.

Note - I think the % is extremely low on 3rd and 20 or longer.

Frequently the other teams go for it on 4th down. Sometimes they make it sometimes they don't. But they should not have been able to go for it in the first place. Again this is just my impression from watching these games. Maybe it isn't as bad as you say but I am going to double check the 3rd downs and long just to make sure that it did not occur as frequently as I believe it has.
That's football. So, sometimes it's 3rd and 10 and the other team goes for it and makes it. But I am not trying to convince you that it's been a great defense just that is was never as bad as you think it was. And please, double-check my work. I welcome it. Stathead is available to anyone. But I guarantee the work I've done, so I am not worried about you finding anything different than I have presented. That is why I left the search parameters up there, specifically so people can check/

That is my entire basis for my frustration with this defense. And again I am not against Morris this year. He has done a hell of a job.
I know a lot of people who are down on Morris are easier on him this year. I find it funny, though, in the things you are most concerned about the Rams are worse this year than last year---3rd and 10 or more outside the 20 --- 2021-22 Rams among the best...now rank much higher ... could it be the "good Morris" has wont hearts and mind because Cover-1 is up? It looks better therefore it IS better?
But it's not.

In addition, I have never called Morris stupid or Morris does not know what he is doing.
Totally agree. I mean I have not checked but as far as I can tell you've never called him retarded or a coward. You are not like a small group that took things way too far.

I just feel he is extremely conservative at times and I want him to be a little bit more aggressive. I gave Buffalo as an example because they are not as conservative on their 3rd downs as Morris is.

I should probably add that it might be just certain games that I was frustrated at and it is those games that is lodged in my memories.
We all want better--a dominant defense. But I honestly think I have shown that the defense under Morris is much better than you think. That's the only point. Again, not trying to tell you it's the best defense in the NFL, but many people have said it is bad enough that he should have been fired -- many times. And I think I have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that it's not a bottom 5 five defense and it is my take that anything he's been charged with has not been even close to a firable offense.
 

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Cincinnati - two out of 5

Indianapolis - 3 unsuccessful tries at 3rd and 10 or longer but they were successful on 2nd and 20

Philadelphia - 1 out of 2

Arizona - even though we manhandled them, Arizona was successful on 3 out of 5 attempts. and on a 2nd and 20 they got 10 yards.

This is a perfect example of getting frustrated during a game on 3rd and long. 60% is not a good rate.

Pittsburgh - this was a game where the offense lost us the game. Morris defense was very successful on 3rd and 10 or longer. 0 for 5 and 2 unsuccessful tries at 3rd and 6 or longer. Good job Morris.

Dallas - horrible game by both the offense and defense

Dallas converted on all 3rd and long that game until Dallas ran the ball at the end.

Green Bay was successful on 3 out of 4 3rd and 10 and longer plays - not a good game

Seattle was a good game 3 out of 4 tries were unsuccessful.

Arizona was a good game - 0 for 2 - we destroyed them

Cleveland was 1 for 2

Baltimore 1 out of 2

Washington 1 out of 2

New Orleans 1 out of 2

NY Giants 2 out of 5

SF 0 - 2

5 out of 15 games we played 3rd and 10 extremely well. I am not counting the first two games since there weren't any situations.

However, the other 8 out of 10 games, the other teams were successful on 40% to 50% of 3rd and 10 or longer. Not a good % in my book. And the other games they were 75% and 100% successful.

I feel I have a right to be somewhat frustrated by those numbers but is that bottom 10 - probably not.

So you are right and I am right.
 

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So now it's just between 3rd and 10 and 3rd and 20 and outside the red zone? That is moving the goal posts again. And no need to apologize ... but I've looked uyp everything you've asked.


That's football. So, sometimes it's 3rd and 10 and the other team goes for it and makes it. But I am not trying to convince you that it's been a great defense just that is was never as bad as you think it was. And please, double-check my work. I welcome it. Stathead is available to anyone. But I guarantee the work I've done, so I am not worried about you finding anything different than I have presented. That is why I left the search parameters up there, specifically so people can check/


I know a lot of people who are down on Morris are easier on him this year. I find it funny, though, in the things you are most concerned about the Rams are worse this year than last year---3rd and 10 or more outside the 20 --- 2021-22 Rams among the best...now rank much higher ... could it be the "good Morris" has wont hearts and mind because Cover-1 is up? It looks better therefore it IS better?
But it's not.


Totally agree. I mean I have not checked but as far as I can tell you've never called him retarded or a coward. You are not like a small group that took things way too far.


We all want better--a dominant defense. But I honestly think I have shown that the defense under Morris is much better than you think. That's the only point. Again, not trying to tell you it's the best defense in the NFL, but many people have said it is bad enough that he should have been fired -- many times. And I think I have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that it's not a bottom 5 five defense and it is my take that anything he's been charged with has not been even close to a firable offense.
I never said Morris had a bad defense this year. He has done a hell of a job. I am only frustrated on those specific plays I pointed out.

Is that a reason to put Morris down - HELL NO.

And I probably should not have even brought it up but I was just stating something that bothered me is all.

And we got way sidetracked on something that isn't even a huge issue with me.

Just an observation I made during the season.

So I am very sorry that I made this seem like a bigger problem that it really is.

I sincerely apologize for wasting your time on this issue.
 

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I never said Morris had a bad defense this year. He has done a hell of a job. I am only frustrated on those specific plays I pointed out.
Never said you did. I said the opposite. I said people down on him for two years and NOW, this year, they are find with him. Even praising him. Seems to me like an accurate portrayal of your position, you are like plenty of Rams fans -- Morris was not so good in 2021-22 but is pretty good in 2023.

Then I was making to that the defense is not better in 2023 ... it's worse in some of aspects (marginally) better in a few.

It was pointing out the irony of the thesis of "Morris doing firable things in 2021-22 -- Morris doing acceptable work in 2023.
But marginally the defense is worse this year. More big plays. worse on 3rd and 10 and more ... but I said yo and a lot of others approve of the 2023 iteration of Morris.

Overall, defense better in the 2021-22 time frame when he played more of the soft zones.
 

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Never said you did. I said the opposite. I said people down on him for two years and NOW, this year, they are find with him. Even praising him. Seems to me like an accurate portrayal of your position, you are like plenty of Rams fans -- Morris was not so good in 2021-22 but is pretty good in 2023.

Then I was making to that the defense is not better in 2023 ... it's worse in some of aspects (marginally) better in a few.

It was pointing out the irony of the thesis of "Morris doing firable things in 2021-22 -- Morris doing acceptable work in 2023.
But marginally the defense is worse this year. More big plays. worse on 3rd and 10 and more ... but I said yo and a lot of others approve of the 2023 iteration of Morris.

Overall, defense better in the 2021-22 time frame when he played more of the soft zones.
I disagree that the defense was better in 2022. He played so much soft zone that teams took advantage of it and would do 5 to 10 minute drives in a lot of the games. But once he got to the red zone, his defense stiffened and only gave up a FG at the end.

I have always stated he is great inside the red zone.

In addition, last year he had much more experienced players on defense so they should have done a lot better stat wise.

This year he has done a hell of a job working with inexperienced players. Well done.

Even if the stats don't quite show it, I am still going to give him a thumbs up on the defense.

As to 2021, I was never down on him but I wanted him to stop playing his CBs 7 to 10 yards back as frequently as he did. And once he got Miller, he stopped doing that. He had his CBs playing within 5 yards much more often. After seeing that, I felt he was a very good DC.

I felt he should have done similarly in 2022 using the end of 2021 as an example but he used the 7 yards back much more often than he even did in 2021 and I couldn't understand why. I believe he stated he couldn't get any pressure with his rush so had to play more conservative but Donald was still getting to the passer within 2.5 to 3 seconds on a lot of his rushes. I felt he could have mixed in a bit more 5 yards or less coverages. He only did that in a few games. Carolina and Tampa Bay in the first 3 quarters. Against Seattle, he had Ramsey play tighter on quite a few plays which was fine imho.

However, one play in particular really pissed me off last year.

Donald was free and tried to get to Krapola and since Morris had his LBs and CBs dropping back 10 yards on the play, Krapola almost completed the pass to a wide open TE 5 yards into the pattern. That play should have resulted in either a sack with a small possibility of a fumble or an interception. No way should he have been able to get that pass off to the middle of the field with the next closest coverage being 5 yards back.

The one stat that really irritated me last year was that Rams opponents were getting the pass off under 2.3 seconds in the first 7 games or so and that was .3 to .5 seconds faster than the next fastest opponent pass play. No way could Donald get to the QB in that amount of time unless he was unblocked.

This is the stat that really pissed me off and got me on the fire Morris bandwagon after the Tampa Arizona and New Orleans games.

Edit - but I now realize that it wasn't entirely Morris fault last year because playing more aggressive this year with lessor players makes me believe that Morris did not have the staff last year to implement his coverages that he wanted. Pleasant is a really good secondary coach and Morris now has an assistant to help implement more aggressive coverages. Sure they get beat once maybe twice a game but their other series are much more successful to getting 3 and outs compared to last year.

Still not getting the turnovers that I would like but that's because the defense is not getting outside pressure as often as they should with having Donald and now Turner in the middle generating tremendous inside pressure. How many times has Hoecht lost contain on a QB who runs free to the right and gains 5 to 10 yards after Donald or Turner get him out of the pocket.

Is that on Morris - No. That's having to have Hoecht who should be playing DL and not OLB but not having anyone better to use at that position.
 
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You guys both make some good points, but I think it is time to give it a rest. We will see tonight who wins this debate.
 

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I disagree that the defense was better in 2022. He played so much soft zone that teams took advantage of it and would do 5 to 10 minute drives in a lot of the games. But once he got to the red zone, his defense stiffened and only gave up a FG at the end.
It's fine to disagree. But Objectively, based on where teams rank in traditional categories and analytics mike DVOA it's a fact. We can only go by that because anecdotes by you or me are not quantifiable. And what I said is overall ... not in everything, I said 2023 is marginally worse.
I have always stated he is great inside the red zone.

In addition, last year he had much more experienced players on defense so they should have done a lot better stat wise.

This year he has done a hell of a job working with inexperienced players. Well done.

Even if the stats don't quite show it, I am still going to give him a thumbs up on the defense.
Again, totally fine. But people liking it better still does not make it better. It's simply too subjective. Your opinion carries the same weight as mine. Neither is correct ... they just are. So give him a thumbs up for 2023 and a thumbs down for 2021-22. I would use a hand signal for each and for when context matters ... that means the defense's first 11 games in 2022 were a playoff-level defense but after that they were not.

As to 2021, I was never down on him but I wanted him to stop playing his CBs 7 to 10 yards back as frequently as he did. And once he got Miller, he stopped doing that. He had his CBs playing within 5 yards much more often. After seeing that, I felt he was a very good DC.
You say you don't like the depth of the CBs. But it is required in the Fangio scheme for good or for bad. The depth can vary and Rams did play deeper than most but it's not like it was a huge difference.

In the Fangio scheme players on each side (3 receiver side and 2 receiver side) have to work together. The theory is to have a numbers advantage. To the 3 receiver side you want 4 defenders. On the 2 receiver side, you want 3 defenders. You want a square and a triangle. You cannot have a box or triangle if you mess with the depths, you mess up the matchups of who takes who.

This is why I say the people who complained about the depth do not understand the scheme. All of us are ignorant of something. I know nothing about your job, whatever it is. If I came in yoo your company, call it ABC Corp and said "You're doing it wrong because company XYZ did it this way. You'd look at my resume and see I had no expertise --maybe just general knowledge.

In that case, I'd be ignorant. Does not make me stupid. Well --- think of the Fangio scheme ... you the critics know much about it? Do they know the things I just said? Well, the ones who do know -- online -- explain things to us and we can learn and become more informed -- have more wisdom and understanding/

Some Morris's critics are unintentionally misinformed about how it works. And want to do things that XYZ does and not what ABC's mission statement is.

I felt he should have done similarly in 2022 using the end of 2021 as an example but he used the 7 yards back much more often than he even did in 2021 and I couldn't understand why. I believe he stated he couldn't get any pressure with his rush so had to play more conservative but Donald was still getting to the passer within 2.5 to 3 seconds on a lot of his rushes. I felt he could have mixed in a bit more 5 yards or less coverages. He only did that in a few games. Carolina and Tampa Bay in the first 3 quarters. Against Seattle, he had Ramsey play tighter on quite a few plays which was fine imho.

However, one play in particular really pissed me off last year.
We've gone over this. Your anecdotes and what pleases you and displeases you are not objective. It's just complaining about results and you're second-guessing what was done. You "feel" he should have mixed in other things. Agin your feelings are fine but others can have feelings that are different. In both cases feelings don't matter. Mine don't. Yours don't. And the times I've explained the Fangio scheme -- you can look up my posts --people are just simply rejecting it without understanding it. That's not fair.

The one stat that really irritated me last year was that Rams opponents were getting the pass off under 2.3 seconds in the first 7 games or so and that was .3 to .5 seconds faster than the next fastest opponent pass play. No way could Donald get to the QB in that amount of time unless he was unblocked.

This is the stat that really pissed me off and got me on the fire Morris bandwagon after the Tampa Arizona and New Orleans games.
Again emotion -- pissed off again ... not seeking understanding and perspective. And it's always something new with you. We went over all the other stuff you wanted --- 3rd and long "I took that to mean normal breakdown" and that was not god-awful. so you changed it to 3rd and 10+. That was not awful. Then you changed it to 3rd and 10+ outside the red zone. Then to 3rd and 15, cutting if of. Now you change the subject without really admitting you were wrong on everything else. So, once again you are moving the goalposts and probably wanting expecting me to prove what the issue with that was. And then I will do it. And you'll say, yeah, but inside the 20 does not count.

You must at least consider no matter how many things you throw out there (even if true, which they are not), the real damage it did was to piss you (and a lot of others) off. Why? Because the defense was not bad -- a defense that someone should be fired for. Many Morris critics were mad and wanted to blame someone and Morris was the scapegoat. But my feelings don't matter, yours don't either. What is objective is the performance and your assumption that the off-coverage was making Morris's defense so bad he deserved to be fired.

I would say it is time to say simply you don't like the way the defense looked and that it was not one of the best in the NFL, you wanted it to be better. But the imperfections were not the ones you are claiming you saw.

Sure they get beat once maybe twice a game but their other series are much more successful to getting 3 and outs compared to last year.
Sure they get beat once maybe twice a game but their other series are much more successful to getting 3 and outs compared to last year.
This is just an opinion that we all agree is your right to have but it is a problem if you don't back it up with anything but what you think you saw. That's fine, all human beings have a confirmation bias. You see more cover-1, which puts guys closer to LOS and you think, "It's better, therefore they are MUCH MORE successful getting 3 and outs"

What if the truth is the 2023 Rams are NOT more successful at getting to 3 and outs? What if the numbers are freakishly similar for all three years?

Will you then say well, take out the red zone? Or say stats don't mean sh!t? Or say that the game situation invalidates the numbers? Or then say you will do your own research because you don't believe the numbers? (And you are welcome to do that, Stathead is available for anyone to use)

As I said before it now seems nothing will please you. But it's not my job to change your mind. Think whatever you will. But I do think it is worth the time and effort to prove you are just off base in your assumptions. You say things you perceive and think the numbers will back you up.

You're a great guy who loves the Rams but you were wrong on all the third-down stuff and you are wrong about Rams being more successful this year than last in --- and I quote ---"much more successful to getting 3 and outs compared to last year."


The facts

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I feel I have a right to be somewhat frustrated by those numbers but is that bottom 10 - probably not.
You do have a right to be frustrated.
So you are right and I am right.
Your research was 2023 and does not include the 2022 season the same amount of success as this year.

You said 2023 is "MUCH MORE successful than last.

That is factually wrong.
 

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You guys both make some good points, but I think it is time to give it a rest. We will see tonight who wins this debate.
This is not about one game.

The debate was about Morris's worthiness, whether the defense was so bad, so awful, that it was one of the absolute worst and should have been fired long ago.

Tano (and others like-minded people) wanted him fired (not this year) last year or the year before.

I say the defense was not as good in 2021-22 as it was in 2020 but in no case, in no way was the defense bad enough for Morris to be fired and those who were making the allegations that it WAS a fireble defense were faulty in their reasoning. They lacked evidence to support their claim.

I think it will be "rested" now. The 3-and-out claim of 2022 versus 2023 has been shown to be errant. That should end it.
 

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As a head coach or DC here are Raheems defense ppg rankings

27,27, 9, 9 32, 19, 19, 15,21,19

Yards

27,27,17,17, 30, 29, 29, 19, 19, 20

He does a little better in some DVOA rankings here and there.

Raheem seems like a great guy and a competent coach - but I just think it is hard for him to land that head gig because is overall resume does not stand out much.

His best work was probably the playoffs in 2021 on the way to the Superbowl and this year.

It's just going to be tough for him.


If the Rams defense is stellar this year in the playoffs that could possibly land him something.
 
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Raheem seems like a great guy and a competent coach - but I just think it is hard for him to land that head gig because is overall resume does not stand out much.

His best work was probably the playoffs in 2021 on the way to the Superbowl and this year.
I think his strength is his leadership, which is more important in that HC role. He'll probably be a better HC his second time around than he ever has been as a DC. Also he's coached on the offensive side of the ball, which most of these hot coordinators cannot say.

For myself if he doesn't get a gig this year I'm gonna be irritated. Because as iffy as our defense is we're in the playoffs because he has gotten the job done in ten of our games.
 

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I think his strength is his leadership, which is more important in that HC role. He'll probably be a better HC his second time around than he ever has been as a DC. Also he's coached on the offensive side of the ball, which most of these hot coordinators cannot say.

For myself if he doesn't get a gig this year I'm gonna be irritated. Because as iffy as our defense is we're in the playoffs because he has gotten the job done in ten of our games.
the issue is when you say "iffy" defense.

We all know the truth of this roster and the magic job Raheem has done making it competent.

But to the outside organizations trying to make that splash hire or trying to energize the fan base.

Ist tough to make people see the light.
 
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He does seem like he would be a great leader of a team. Almost a Cheaty Peaty rah rah type rally the troops. He likely was too young when he got his first HC gig. I think he’d be an excellent HC his 2nd time around - if given a chance.