Rams sign A'Shawn Robinson

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If Staley is like Fangio, he typically uses short and squatty NTs. At 6'1" 315, Greg Gaines is a good fit for what he does. Robinson's a bit too long for it. But he fits well as a run-stuffing 5-Tech.

Can't say I know much about Robinson. I assumed his weight would limit his ability at 5 tech (330 Lbs) . That said I haven't really checked his measurables.
 

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Gonna be honest and say that I don't love this move. It costs us a comp pick. A'Shawn will replace Brockers and should be an effective run stuffer on the edge. He hasn't shown much as a pass rusher thus far in his career. It's more than I hoped we'd pay. Hopefully, the actual figures are better.

I'll be honest and disagree. He's only twenty-four, and he hasn't played alongside a player of the caliber of Donald. He's got fifteen pass deflections and a blocked kick to his name in a short career, and in passing downs, incompletions matter just as much as pressure. And he's an excellent run-stuffer, better than Brockers was.

I love this signing.
 

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Can't say I know much about Robinson. I assumed his weight would limit his ability at 5 tech (330 Lbs) . That said I haven't really checked his measurables.

His job at 5-Tech will be two-gapping, so him being enormous will help. Wade's scheme one-gapped, so you didn't want a guy who just occupied blockers.

I'll be honest and disagree. He's only twenty-four, and he hasn't played alongside a player of the caliber of Donald. He's got fifteen pass deflections and a blocked kick to his name in a short career, and in passing downs, incompletions matter just as much as pressure. And he's an excellent run-stuffer, better than Brockers was.

I love this signing.

I hope you're right.
 

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Detroit Lions 2020 free agents: Does Snacks’ murky future make A’Shawn Robinson a priority re-signing?
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Robinson hasn’t had a great Lions career, but Detroit may be desperate this offseason.
By Jeremy Reisman@DetroitOnLion Jan 23, 2020, 8:30am EST
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A’Shawn Robinson’s career in Detroit has been a bit of a roller coaster ride. When the Detroit Lions first drafted him, many believed they got a first-round talent early in the second round.
The early results didn’t bear that out, however. Robinson wasn’t bad per se—he had 13 passes defended in his first two years—but his overall efficiency left much to desire.
But when Matt Patricia took over in 2018, many believed Robinson would be one of the roster pieces that would benefit from the scheme change, and early on, it looked like those theorists were right. After an early benching in 2018, Robinson returned to the lineup with a vengeance, quickly becoming a top-tier run stuffer.
However, he couldn’t follow it up with a solid 2019, and now he’s facing free agency with a ton of questions surrounding him. Will the Lions consider a re-signing? Let’s look a little closer into the Robinson conundrum.
Previously in this series: Miles Killebrew (click here), Rashaan Melvin (click here), Jeff Driskel (click here), Tavon Wilson (click here)
A’Shawn Robinson
Expectations before 2019

As I mentioned in the intro, Robinson was coming off a very solid 2018 campaign. While he was primarily used as a run stuffer and still hadn’t developed many skills as a pass rusher, he was highly valued in this scheme, and we saw towards the end of that season just how dominant the Lions run defense could be with him and Damon Harrison Sr.
In fact, morale was so high in this unit that former teammate Ricky Jean Francois predicted that Robinson would eventually grow into a top-three run defender in the entire NFL.
“He will be probably one of the top three run defender or d-linemen in the league,” Francois said. “He’s that special that he can do it. Now he just has to finish this season out great. Fourth year, now you have to take that big leap.”

That last line turned out to be foreshadowing...
Actual role in 2019
2019 Stats: 13 games (9 starts): 40 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 3 passes defended, 1 forced fumble
PFF Grade: 56.0 (101st of 120 qualifying DTs—20% of snaps)
Shockingly, the Lions run defense struggled out of the gate, and Robinson played a big part in that. Though he started the season strong, his production quickly deteriorated as the season went on.
He remained a liability as a pass rusher, and while his run defending was adequate, he very clearly did not take the next step in his progression and, instead, became a key piece in Detroit’s most disappointing unit in 2019.
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His season would end in Week 14 after suffering a shoulder injury that would keep him out of the final three games of the season.
What should the Lions do with him?
Contract Status: Unrestricted free agent
The case for re-signing:
It’s hard to justify re-signing A’Shawn Robinson based on his 2019 play, but the Lions’ current roster makeup may necessitate it. They covet run-stuffing interior defenders at a premium, and with Harrison now considering retirement, Detroit would be left with exactly zero players capable of a starting role.
While Robinson likely wouldn’t be able to take over the nose tackle role that would be potentially left vacant by Snacks’ retirement, he would be able to draw some defenders off of whoever the Lions would use to potentially replace Harrison, and he’s been fairly durable his entire career.
While Robinson was certainly disappointing over his four-year rookie deal, he’s at least an average early-down interior defender, and if the Lions can get that back on a reasonably cheap deal, there’s no reason they shouldn’t add him for depth reasons.
The big question is whether Robinson likes it enough in Detroit to take a modest deal here. It’s really impossible to know given his contentious relationship with the media, but he seemed to be generally well-liked by his teammates.
The case for letting him walk:
Robinson’s play was just far too inconsistent throughout his entire career, and sometimes, he was downright undisciplined. His emotions often got the best of him, leading to bad personal foul penalties and poor mistakes.
Big run stuffers are generally not as highly regarded in free agency, meaning the Lions could probably add similar talent on the free market at somewhat of a bargain.
My thoughts:
Snacks’ situation should certainly play some sort of factor in this equation, but even if the nose tackle decides to hang them up, it’s hard to really justify bringing Robinson back. While his potential talent is still tempting (he’s still only 24!!!), his attitude and lack of progression through his first four years in Detroit make it hard to justify a second contract here.
The Lions will simply have to attack this position hard in free agency, and while the past results of that haven’t been promising—Sylvester Williams, Akeem Spence, Stefan Charles—it’s probably the best course of reaction for this franchise, mixed with a doubling down in the NFL Draft.
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Should the Lions re-sign A’Shawn Robinson?
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  • 32%Yes
    (335 votes)

  • 34%Only if Damon Harrison retires
    (348 votes)

  • 34%No
    (353 votes)
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Wow, the Lions were playing a 4-3 defense. I guess he plays NT for the Rams but, maybe they move him to 5T sometimes.

Detroit has been stuck in the Fisher zone with a big drop last year.
YearRecordFinish (Regular / Post Season)Coach
20193-12-14th -- NFC North--Matt PatriciaRoster / Stats
20186-10-04th -- NFC North--Matt PatriciaRoster / Stats
20179-7-02nd -- NFC North--Jim CaldwellRoster / Stats
20169-7-02nd -- NFC North0-1 - Lost Wild Card PlayoffsJim CaldwellRoster / Stats
20157-9-03rd -- NFC North--Jim CaldwellRoster / Stats
201411-5-02nd -- NFC North0-1 - Lost Wild Card PlayoffsJim CaldwellRoster / Stats
20137-9-03rd -- NFC North--Jim SchwartzRoster / Stats


From the article above seems like he needs to play with more discipline. He is young and maybe a change of scenery (winning organiztion) can get him back to his 2018 production. It seems like a good match. The jury is out on the cost but, teams always pay more for free agents.
 

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Priority 1 for me is to shore up our run defense.
I'm so sick of watching teams teamz gash us for long runs.
This should help and I do hope they place him in the middle.
 

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Rams need to be able to shut down that 9er run game, as the division runs through SF now. This signing was prioritizing that run stuffing ability at 5T.

Not too high on the cost though tbh. Total up this contract, Blythe, and that of our new edge signing, and it's underwhelming to me overall. But on defense both of those guys shore up the run stopping prowess so it's pretty clear that Staley's not happy with that side of the Rams' 2019 film. And rightly so.

Bigger problem right now for me is the realization that by the time the draft is over the gap between the Rams and the 9ers might be even wider. Only thing we have on them IMO is QB, 3T, and CB1. So gonna wait and see how the draft looks before I allow myself to get too perturbed.
 

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49ers are all run game. And George Kittle. Stop that crap and force Jimmy to chuck ducks at our +CB / Safety corps, and we've got a chance.
 

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God, you'd have to hope so.

Yeah, I can't imagine otherwise. Makes sense about his mom having to go with his birth certificate to every youth football game, just to prove that he was the same age as the kids he was facing.
 

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I love this move. it will upgrade on the run defense side...he's a more stout, big strong guy to put in that spot. I loved Brockers, but he was undersized in the 3-4 for us in that spot.

Like the signing, and the contract as well...
 

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with the signing of floyd and robinson the rams seem to be changing their m.o. on defense.

stopping the run seems to be the main priority now. AD can take care of the pass rushing all by himself. he's used to it by now.

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Like this signing let's face it who has he played with? No real viable pass rushers on Detroit nobody on that def to really help him rt? Snacks, Slay at corner and the over paid dude they brought over from the pats last year on the end Flowers and his 7 sacks. Having Donald alone will help him he helps eat up blocks for AD he is young and I'm okay with losing a 4th round comp for him we still keep our two 3rd round comps picks. I am still interested in Glenn Everson Griffin and the Baltimore guard and the Minnesota guard both names slip my mind rt now. All were released so don't effect comp picks. Of course we are poor but stranger things have happened.

Griffin is still available rt?