Rams facilities shut down by league due to COVID

[Rambitious1]

I would tend to think many cases at this point are mild, certainly more mild than on average a year ago.

My in-laws both recently had it. The conventional wisdom would have said they both should have been in ICU on their death-beds due to age, vax status and co-morbidities.

They both felt miserable for two weeks but were never hospitalized, took their Vitamin C, Zinc and Vitamin D (per the ER doc) and have recovered. My mother-in-law still has some issues with stamina but otherwise they're both fine.

Yep, that’s what my wife and I take. Especially vitamin D3. And we were fine when we got it.
I was reading that over 90% of Covid patients in the hospital were vitamin D3 deficient.

 

[Rambitious1]

Actually the publicly available trial data for the two most prominent early vaccines showed that they were about 95% effective in preventing serious infections and about 90% effective in preventing all infections. That was a year ago. I know because I read the actual data. Since then the virus has morphed of course. And there’s a lot more real world results.

So what is your take on the ”relative risk” measurement that was used by Pfizer/CDC vs the “absolute risk” measurement - when rating the effectiveness of the shots?

 

[bluecoconuts]

Tell that to my Nephew, who now has to have a heart valve replaced when his Cardiologist told him not to get the vaccine, but the military forced him to. He was on track, and was doing great at all of his every 3 month check ups, and cardiologist saying he shouldn't need anything done until he was around 50 or 60. Then the vaccine, and now he is scheduled for a heart valve replacement in a few months. You know why people think the vaccine is safe? because the Doctor isn't allowed to say that his condition is vaccine related. 3 months ago, his heart was fine, then the vaccine, now Open heart surgery needed within a year, and the Doctor won't say it is vaccine related. He asked the doctor if in his career has has ever seen a heart deteriorate this fast, and the doctor said no, but still wouldn't call it vaccine related. Unfortunately, we are not dealing with science or even medicine at this point. It has all been politicized. They are fudging the statistics because they don't want to scare people away from the vaccine.

I sympathise with your son, but the military injects so many different things into their soldiers and just the general aspect of what it's like to serve, there's really no way you can make that connection. This is a classic case of mixing correlation with causation. I hope he's able to make a full recovery, but it's more likely that the military is making him get the procedure early because they would rather pay for a surgery than have to pay out life benefits if something happens. They do these kinds of things all the time.

here in nsw 95% of the population is vaccinated. yes, you heard that right, 95%.

pretty soon 95% of australia's population will be fully vaccinated.

that means no more lock downs, no more checking in, no more showing your vaccination status. everything is open. that's even with omicron spreading like wildfire.

if nfl players lived in a bubble i don't think anyone would care if a player tested positive or not. but with them returning home every day and america's paltry 50% vaccination rate, it's crucial to know if a player is positive for the virus.

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Ireland is 94% vaccinated, the highest in the EU and among the world, and we have the lowest death rate in the EU as well, despite rising cases. You still need to mask up inside buildings and on public transport, show your vaccine card at a pub or restaurant, but otherwise life is pretty much normal. Personally I don't mind the masks this time of year either, keeps my face warmer. No lockdowns, no real restrictions otherwise, everything is open, and there's really no panic or anything in the air.

They are novel when it comes to the federal govt.

The military and most (if not all) federal jobs have always had vaccination requirements. George Washington implemented the first vaccine mandate when he was a General leading the Continental Army, they are absolutely no novel in anyway whatsoever. I've literally walked in a line with my shirt off with various military medical personnel sticking me in multiple spots to give us a bunch of vaccines at once multiple times and prior to deployments we would get a new round of vaccines both before and after.

BTW, our society is soft. I am a history buff and I have recently gone back and looked through old online newspaper's. Mostly looking up family history, local town history etc...

However, it was not hard to see that years ago society delt with far more deadly diseases than this virus without top medical care available and without shutting down schools, businesses and society in general.

Entire families could get wiped out by Diptheria or Tuberculosis...even Whooping Cough etc...

You could read stories like, "The Thompson family buried two of their children due to the scourge of Diptheria.... It was common.

I don't believe people stopped everything they did and focused on every case, especially with a disease with a 99.5% survival rate that is even better now with new treatments and vaccines.

It's time to move on.

This seems like a rather shite argument if I'm be straight with you. "In the past entire families were wiped out by disease!" isn't exactly a rousing statement for not taking additional precaution with a pandemic. We used to live in caves and run around in loin cloths until we died of the ripe old age of 25 as well, the entire point of society is to learn, advanced, and grow. Having a better understanding of the dangers of disease so we're no longer shitting our brains out with bloody diarrhoea next to our drinking water doesn't mean we're soft, it means we're smart.

Honestly, that reads like the old guys who would claim the previous generations of the military was tougher because they would just run right into enemy fire and get mowed down, while today military is smart enough to understand you do a better job when you stay alive and use small unit tactics to manoeuvre around and kill the other guy instead.


On that note I'm muting the thread, if anyone wants to bitch to me bring it to the PMs, I wont be replying here since we're far off track in terms of talking Rams and covid. Hopefully these guys get healthy and are back on the field soon.

 

[FrantikRam]

For the record I took the vaccine because I believe in the science of them. But I do not believe in the govt telling Americans they need to get it.

Taking of liberties doesn't start big. It starts small.

I'm in the same boat. I got it and don't much care if people don't get it.

But what is a liberty?

I'm free to take what I want in a grocery store - as long as I pay for it.

I'm free to not go to work anymore - and I'll be fired.

I'm free to not eat - but I'll die.

I'm free to ignore traffic laws - but I'll hurt someone else or get tickets.

Employers are free to require or encourage employees to get the vaccine. That's how this should be handled.

I agree that the government shouldn't require it, but an employer requiring it is totally fine

 

[dang]

Can someone please shut this down. The 2 sides will never agree but some of the rantings are infuriating and ignorant. And I don’t want to think of my ROD comrades as infuriating or ignorant.

 

[I like Rams]

I sympathise with your son, but the military injects so many different things into their soldiers and just the general aspect of what it's like to serve, there's really no way you can make that connection. This is a classic case of mixing correlation with causation. I hope he's able to make a full recovery, but it's more likely that the military is making him get the procedure early because they would rather pay for a surgery than have to pay out life benefits if something happens. They do these kinds of things all the time.


Ireland is 94% vaccinated, the highest in the EU and among the world, and we have the lowest death rate in the EU as well, despite rising cases. You still need to mask up inside buildings and on public transport, show your vaccine card at a pub or restaurant, but otherwise life is pretty much normal. Personally I don't mind the masks this time of year either, keeps my face warmer. No lockdowns, no real restrictions otherwise, everything is open, and there's really no panic or anything in the air.



The military and most (if not all) federal jobs have always had vaccination requirements. George Washington implemented the first vaccine mandate when he was a General leading the Continental Army, they are absolutely no novel in anyway whatsoever. I've literally walked in a line with my shirt off with various military medical personnel sticking me in multiple spots to give us a bunch of vaccines at once multiple times and prior to deployments we would get a new round of vaccines both before and after.



This seems like a rather shite argument if I'm be straight with you. "In the past entire families were wiped out by disease!" isn't exactly a rousing statement for not taking additional precaution with a pandemic. We used to live in caves and run around in loin cloths until we died of the ripe old age of 25 as well, the entire point of society is to learn, advanced, and grow. Having a better understanding of the dangers of disease so we're no longer shitting our brains out with bloody diarrhoea next to our drinking water doesn't mean we're soft, it means we're smart.

Honestly, that reads like the old guys who would claim the previous generations of the military was tougher because they would just run right into enemy fire and get mowed down, while today military is smart enough to understand you do a better job when you stay alive and use small unit tactics to manoeuvre around and kill the other guy instead.


On that note I'm muting the thread, if anyone wants to bitch to me bring it to the PMs, I wont be replying here since we're far off track in terms of talking Rams and covid. Hopefully these guys get healthy and are back on the field soon.

Nothing wrong with what you said except that Washington never mandated a vaccine to get in the military. There were 2 strains of small pox around back then, one more mild (2% death rate and one much more harsh (10%), Washington made it so you had to contract the more mild form of small pox, recover, and then you could register for the military. They didn't have a small pox vaccine back then. Sars 2/covid has less than 1% mortality rate, I can't imagine anyone today being ok with a government agency demanding those who want to participate have to expose themselves to a virus with a 2% mortality rate like the milder form of small pox.

 

[I like Rams]

I'm in the same boat. I got it and don't much care if people don't get it.

But what is a liberty?

I'm free to take what I want in a grocery store - as long as I pay for it.

I'm free to not go to work anymore - and I'll be fired.

I'm free to not eat - but I'll die.

I'm free to ignore traffic laws - but I'll hurt someone else or get tickets.

Employers are free to require or encourage employees to get the vaccine. That's how this should be handled.

I agree that the government shouldn't require it, but an employer requiring it is totally fine

The main problem here is that the government was/is trying to force by Bill that osha change their requirements to make it mandatory that all business with over 100 people either get vaxxed or are subject to weekly tests. My employer already said that if this bill goes through, we are the ones responsible for providing the tests or no work.

That is force my friend.

 

[den-the-coach]

But what is a liberty?

Give me Liberty or Give me Death....Well?

 

[PhillyRam]

I'm in the same boat. I got it and don't much care if people don't get it.

But what is a liberty?

I'm free to take what I want in a grocery store - as long as I pay for it.

I'm free to not go to work anymore - and I'll be fired.

I'm free to not eat - but I'll die.

I'm free to ignore traffic laws - but I'll hurt someone else or get tickets.

Employers are free to require or encourage employees to get the vaccine. That's how this should be handled.

I agree that the government shouldn't require it, but an employer requiring it is totally fine

These mandates are not laws... They are the whims of unelected bureaucrats. So don't compare to traffic laws.

 

[PhillyRam]

Actually the publicly available trial data for the two most prominent early vaccines showed that they were about 95% effective in preventing serious infections and about 90% effective in preventing all infections. That was a year ago. I know because I read the actual data. Since then the virus has morphed of course. And there’s a lot more real world results.

No, what happened is over time the protection wanes. They couldn't know that initially because there couldn't be any long term studies. Makes you wonder what other long term issues could arise.

And let's not pretend they have all the answers...history shows science and their solution's often have many unintended consequences.

Afterall, this how thing seems to have been borne by the so called experts.

 

[1maGoh]

I sympathise with your son, but the military injects so many different things into their soldiers and just the general aspect of what it's like to serve, there's really no way you can make that connection. This is a classic case of mixing correlation with causation. I hope he's able to make a full recovery, but it's more likely that the military is making him get the procedure early because they would rather pay for a surgery than have to pay out life benefits if something happens. They do these kinds of things all the time.


Ireland is 94% vaccinated, the highest in the EU and among the world, and we have the lowest death rate in the EU as well, despite rising cases. You still need to mask up inside buildings and on public transport, show your vaccine card at a pub or restaurant, but otherwise life is pretty much normal. Personally I don't mind the masks this time of year either, keeps my face warmer. No lockdowns, no real restrictions otherwise, everything is open, and there's really no panic or anything in the air.



The military and most (if not all) federal jobs have always had vaccination requirements. George Washington implemented the first vaccine mandate when he was a General leading the Continental Army, they are absolutely no novel in anyway whatsoever. I've literally walked in a line with my shirt off with various military medical personnel sticking me in multiple spots to give us a bunch of vaccines at once multiple times and prior to deployments we would get a new round of vaccines both before and after.



This seems like a rather shite argument if I'm be straight with you. "In the past entire families were wiped out by disease!" isn't exactly a rousing statement for not taking additional precaution with a pandemic. We used to live in caves and run around in loin cloths until we died of the ripe old age of 25 as well, the entire point of society is to learn, advanced, and grow. Having a better understanding of the dangers of disease so we're no longer shitting our brains out with bloody diarrhoea next to our drinking water doesn't mean we're soft, it means we're smart.

Honestly, that reads like the old guys who would claim the previous generations of the military was tougher because they would just run right into enemy fire and get mowed down, while today military is smart enough to understand you do a better job when you stay alive and use small unit tactics to manoeuvre around and kill the other guy instead.


On that note I'm muting the thread, if anyone wants to bitch to me bring it to the PMs, I wont be replying here since we're far off track in terms of talking Rams and covid. Hopefully these guys get healthy and are back on the field soon.

We can mute threads? Teach me this magic!

 

[Ellard80]

Yeah as predicted this just turned into a covid argument thread...

I saw 75-80 players are now in protocol,

 

[blackbart]

Yeah as predicted this just turned into a covid argument thread...

I saw 75-80 players are now in protocol,

When you see it in the feed, don’t open it.

 

[Ellard80]

When you see it in the feed, don’t open it.

Just pointing out that this isnt just a Rams issue... other teams going to have competitive disadvantages likely.

 

[snackdaddy]

I’d rather have discussions like this with people I have common interests who I’d hang out and have a beer with than complete strangers or people/family I don’t like.

Not me. Nothing like a polarizing subject to make people who were once friends turn on each other. Which is why they don't allow political discussions here. It doesn't matter what side you're on. No one wins that debate.

 

[Zodi]

No, what happened is over time the protection wanes. They couldn't know that initially because there couldn't be any long term studies. Makes you wonder what other long term issues could arise.

And let's not pretend they have all the answers...history shows science and their solution's often have many unintended consequences.

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were first developed in January/February 2020 and first tested in March of 2020. The Moderna vaccine was tested on 30k people before the FDA approved it for emergency use in December of 2020 for front line workers and it was available in the first stage rollout in January 2021. People have this notion that the vaccines were developed much later than they actually were; the virus sequence was made available online a few months after the first cases were caught in China. You have 10 months of test data for 30k people and more research after that. The two major vaccines are generally safe for most.

As for your second point, the point of science is change. "History points out science and their solutions often have unintended consequences." Ummm... history also points out that science is pretty damn important for the advancement of the human race. And how else can we figure out consequences without investigation, aka science? Logic and reason over all, I swear.

 

[PhillyRam]

Not me. Nothing like a polarizing subject to make people who were once friends turn on each other. Which is why they don't allow political discussions here. It doesn't matter what side you're on. No one wins that debate.

People can put on their big boy pants. I dont disassociate myself from people I disagree with. That's childish.

 

[Jacobarch]

Not me. Nothing like a polarizing subject to make people who were once friends turn on each other. Which is why they don't allow political discussions here. It doesn't matter what side you're on. No one wins that debate.

If we can't learn to disagree with respect then none of us were friends to begin with. I can't tell you how many people don't talk to me anymore because of my beliefs or feelings, most of are not even covid related. If people wanna be tribal let them. It's their problem.
But after reading thru this thread I've noticed one thing. The people who "think" they have the answers or know it all are the worst offenders. Just keep it to yourself fellas. None of you are right and none of you are wrong. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and quite honestly the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. If that offends some of you or speaks to you maybe you should step away from the keyboard and go have a snack.

Anyways, let's keep this on track guys.

Anyone think the NFL might shut it down for a week or two? I mean if entire teams are out for a week I don't expect coaches and owners to be too happy being forced to forfeit a game

 

[Dodgersrf]

If it's not NFL related,
Don't post it.

Time to move on and keep this thread clear for it's intended purpose.

Members will be banned from this thread for crossing the line.
Members breaking the rules by ingaging in vac/anti vac banter, will be banned from this thread.

This is a subject that can effect game outcomes and the postseason.
It would be a shame to have to lock it.

 

[blackbart]

Not me. Nothing like a polarizing subject to make people who were once friends turn on each other. Which is why they don't allow political discussions here. It doesn't matter what side you're on. No one wins that debate.

I guess I don’t work like that so I expect others to be the same. But, I get your stance.