Rams facilities shut down by league due to COVID

[Kupped]

Yes, we are getting used to being in a constant pandemic that will never go away. The media hypes up every variant and case numbers even though hospitalizations is not an issue. You see hyped reports of 85% of ICU beds are filled, etc... but that is normal. Hospital's don't have empty ICU's. They don't waste rooms and space.

It's like Covid is ratings gold for the media and the govt uses it as an excuse for their own policy failures. So those in power like the status quo.

Almost every story I see about the Omicron variant includes the fact that it seems to be less severe.
They also include that it seems to be more contagious.

 

[Merlin]

Children can't go to schools w/o scores of vaccines. You can't be 8n the military without scores of vaccinations. Tons of jobs you can't get w/o a tb test that injects tb into your body. All of those things have been in place for decades.

It's completely disingenuous to pretend the covid vaccination is any different than those circumstances.

Military are volunteers. And it's ok for jobs to require vaccinations based on their requirements. But business owners should be the ones making those decisions not the federal govt.

Re: children you have the choice to home school. That is also not forced vaccination.

If and when the federal govt makes vaccinations mandatory it is a loss of freedom. And I'm ok with you disagreeing btw, you are after all a free person.

 

[Ellard80]

they just need to shut everything down for the week

keep everyone home.. get rested and treatment for injures

fuck practice for now.

 

[bubbaramfan]

In the end, everyone on earth will be exposed to covid and its variants.

You can't fool mother nature. (though humans will keep trying).

 

[Kupped]

Military are volunteers. And it's ok for jobs to require vaccinations based on their requirements. But business owners should be the ones making those decisions not the federal govt.

Re: children you have the choice to home school. That is also not forced vaccination.

If and when the federal govt makes vaccinations mandatory it is a loss of freedom. And I'm ok with you disagreeing btw, you are after all a free person.

Businesses are highly regulated, so this ain't no big thang.
It's public health.

 

[Zodi]

I’ll be in the control group and my dna will not be altered.

MRNA vaccines don't alter your DNA. Processed food, too much exposure to the sun, x-rays, cigarettes, bleach, HPV, etc are mutagens, though. So I think you're most likely wrong on the "my-DNA-will-not-be-altered" part.

I think it's hilarious how people will protest a vaccine but not a hotdog.

 

[PhillyRam]

Almost every story I see about the Omicron variant includes the fact that it seems to be less severe.
They also include that it seems to be more contagious.

Well, they were hyping the hell out of it last week... Tanked the market for a few days even though initial reports are mild symptoms in South African patients weeks ago.

I am still working from home because the fortune 500 company that I work for is scared to let people go back to the office. Not complaining...saving big on gas, but its getting absurd.

5 yrs from now this will be like flu season. A booster will come out for the vulnerable people who want it and that's it.

And BTW, why is there no focus on treatment and everything is about vaccine's?

Treatments have improved, and along with vaccines, this should be done, but the hype is dragging it out.

Does anyone ever express real concern when a young person gets it now? No, it's just you have to quarantine and carry that Covid label and go through a protocol.

The flu effects young people and kids worse than Covid, but we never had this. Now Covid is much more deadly for elderly and obese people, but with the vax that should jo longer be an issue.

So why are we still in this scared to death mode?

More people dying from suicide, or poor health by not getting check ups, and putting off procedures all due to the manufactured fear.

I know I don't get the excerise I was getting walking around a large building at work as now I just walk down to my basement office and eat/snack too often now being at home... especially with eating breakfast everyday that I wouldn't have time to eat otherwise.

 

[Kupped]

Well, they were hyping the hell out of it last week... Tanked the market for a few days even though initial reports are mild symptoms in South African patients weeks ago.

I am still working from home because the fortune 500 company that I work for is scared to let people go back to the office. Not complaining...saving big on gas, but its getting absurd.

5 yrs from now this will be like flu season. A booster will come out for the vulnerable people who want it and that's it.

And BTW, why is there no focus on treatment and everything is about vaccine's?

Treatments have improved, and along with vaccines, this should be done, but the hype is dragging it out.

Does anyone ever express real concern when a young person gets it now? No, it's just you have to quarantine and carry that Covid label and go through a protocol.

The flu effects young people and kids worse than Covid, but we never had this. Now Covid is much more deadly for elderly and obese people, but with the vax that should jo longer be an issue.

So why are we still in this scared to death mode?

More people dying from suicide, or poor health by not getting check ups, and putting off procedures all due to the manufactured fear.

I know I don't get the excerise I was getting walking around a large building at work as now I just walk down to my basement office and eat/snack too often now being at home... especially with eating breakfast everyday that I wouldn't have time to eat otherwise.

Hyping? Or reporting that a new variant had been identified?
Because the very initial reporting was neutral on whether it was not as bad or worse.. it was reporting what was discovered.
The markets had a brief fit.. and bounced right back.

Btw.. there's been extensive reports about the various therapies.. and we're getting closer to where we might really be able to get off pandemic footing. We're still not quite there and riding a surge of Delta.. with Omicron trailing. Fortunately, it seems Omicron will be easier to deal with.

 

[I like Rams]

Im glad that this discussion has been civil, in fact, this is the most civil discussion I've seen on the subject. I think we all need to keep that in mind as this goes on, bc the fact that we've all been civil is a rarity these days.

The sad part for me on this thread is that people are still quoting the bs that was touted almost a year ago when these vaccines came out. Within the last 6 months, Israel, India and England have done a damn good job at keeping the politics out of it and sticking to the science. And every study that has come out has proven what was touted at the beginning of the year wrong. Yet some people do not want to keep up with the new data.

 

[Angry Ram]

MRNA vaccines don't alter your DNA. Processed food, too much exposure to the sun, x-rays, cigarettes, bleach, HPV, etc are mutagens, though. So I think you're most likely wrong on the "my-DNA-will-not-be-altered" part.

I think it's hilarious how people will protest a vaccine but not a hotdog.

Oooh oohh pick me! pick me!!!

Also that the system goes DNA - RNA - Protein (i.e., spike proteins and a multitude of others). It doesn't go in reverse. Transcription, translation much? DNA Helicase? Unwind your jeans. Giggity.

Basic dogma and shit.

Geez I can't believe I referenced high school biology on a Rams football forum.

 

[Angry Ram]

Hyping? Or reporting that a new variant had been identified?
Because the very initial reporting was neutral on whether it was not as bad or worse.. it was reporting what was discovered.
The markets had a brief fit.. and bounced right back.

Btw.. there's been extensive reports about the various therapies.. and we're getting closer to where we might really be able to get off pandemic footing. We're still not quite there and riding a surge of Delta.. with Omicron trailing. Fortunately, it seems Omicron will be easier to deal with.

You're owning this thread dude. Keep it up man.

 

[I like Rams]

You're owning this thread dude. Keep it up man.

I think that award goes to the actual virologist who already commented on this thread.

 

[PhillyRam]

Hyping? Or reporting that a new variant had been identified?
Because the very initial reporting was neutral on whether it was not as bad or worse.. it was reporting what was discovered.
The markets had a brief fit.. and bounced right back.

Btw.. there's been extensive reports about the various therapies.. and we're getting closer to where we might really be able to get off pandemic footing. We're still not quite there and riding a surge of Delta.. with Omicron trailing. Fortunately, it seems Omicron will be easier to deal with.

No, initial reports of actual studies were that all cases were mild, but the reporting then insisted it was too early to tell and whether most infected were young people... You know the people who shouldn't be forced to get a vaccine.

 

[Kupped]

No, initial reports of actual studies were that all cases were mild, but the reporting then insisted it was too early to tell and whether most infected were young people... You know the people who shouldn't be forced to get a vaccine.

Every report I saw/read had those caveats.. AND said it was too early to tell, definitively.

I’m going to sign off for a while, now.

Go Rams.

 

[PhillyRam]

BTW, our society is soft. I am a history buff and I have recently gone back and looked through old online newspaper's. Mostly looking up family history, local town history etc...

However, it was not hard to see that years ago society delt with far more deadly diseases than this virus without top medical care available and without shutting down schools, businesses and society in general.

Entire families could get wiped out by Diptheria or Tuberculosis...even Whooping Cough etc...

You could read stories like, "The Thompson family buried two of their children due to the scourge of Diptheria.... It was common.

I don't believe people stopped everything they did and focused on every case, especially with a disease with a 99.5% survival rate that is even better now with new treatments and vaccines.

It's time to move on.

 

[PhillyRam]

Hyping? Or reporting that a new variant had been identified?
Because the very initial reporting was neutral on whether it was not as bad or worse.. it was reporting what was discovered.
The markets had a brief fit.. and bounced right back.

Btw.. there's been extensive reports about the various therapies.. and we're getting closer to where we might really be able to get off pandemic footing. We're still not quite there and riding a surge of Delta.. with Omicron trailing. Fortunately, it seems Omicron will be easier to deal with.

And in regards to hyping, immediately upon reporting of Omicron, the CDC board has now recommended teenager's to get boosters without any studies being done if that is needed.

Do they work for the Pharma industry?

Funny how some question many big businesses that they don't like, but have complete faith in the Pharma industry now? Really?

 

[ProGen]

Man...I'm fed up of this shit now

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I'm tired of this virus too but I get the testing. I work in a hospital and can tell you personally how fucked up some folks lungs get. The idea is so they don't spread it to those people that end up like that. The virus in general just sucks no matter what ones opinion is. I wish this damn thing would just go away and stop fucking with everyone's lives.

My wife is a pediatric nurse at a major medical center. The adult side is at 110% capacity. People are on Gurley's in the hallways for days. One patient came into the ED and went to the bathroom after waiting 5 hours. They never came out. Its worse than many think.

So how exactly does getting vaccinated prevent spreading it to be people that may be at risk? If vaccinated players are catching it and spreading it among other vaccinated players, wouldnt that suggest the vaccine is not working as intended? If they want to force players to get vaccinated they should at least make sure the vaccine is safe and does what it is supposed to do.

Load is the key. The closer proximity to an ill person the bigger the load you receive. So speaking maskless, at close range subjects a person with a bigger dose of the virus. Vaccinated people can still get the virus but usually get a weaker case, but can still deliver a viral load to both, vaccinated and unvaccinated people. That's where distancing comes into play. It won't necessarily keep you from catching Covid but it could lessen how much you take in. If you take in a smaller amount your body has a better chance to fight it off. If you take in a larger amount of the virus the immune system can struggle to fight it off.

If you're the Seahawks are you scared to face us with positive COVID results or is Wilson just having nightmares about ADPOY again?

If you're the Cardinals are you shutting down operations since you recently faced a team testing positive for COVID?

Every team has the same rules.

 

[FarNorth]

Whose to say when a vaxed person gets the virus that it won't mutate?

And BTW, the CDC has constantly changed its views. Originally a vaxed person could no longer get infected. They stated that. Obviously that was wrong.

A little history of what we have been told. Who knows what will be the story 6 months from now.


View: https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1461750873445568515?t=3XkhHwvp4ZNec_RTH-FGJw&s=19

Actually the publicly available trial data for the two most prominent early vaccines showed that they were about 95% effective in preventing serious infections and about 90% effective in preventing all infections. That was a year ago. I know because I read the actual data. Since then the virus has morphed of course. And there’s a lot more real world results.

 

[Rambitious1]

Wasnt much of a big deal for me either. According to my Dr anyone that is reasonably healthy is at very low risk of serious illness with covid.

Yep. So true.