Rams facilities shut down by league due to COVID

[LA_Rams_#29]

For the record I took the vaccine because I believe in the science of them. But I do not believe in the govt telling Americans they need to get it.

Taking of liberties doesn't start big. It starts small.

Children can't go to schools w/o scores of vaccines. You can't be 8n the military without scores of vaccinations. Tons of jobs you can't get w/o a tb test that injects tb into your body. All of those things have been in place for decades.

It's completely disingenuous to pretend the covid vaccination is any different than those circumstances.

 

[Kupped]

I feel confident I would survive the Covid virus. What I couldn’t live with is if I did nothing to keep myself from getting the virus, subsequently contracting the virus and then passing it on to anyone with underlying health conditions compromising their well being. But that is just a guilty conscious character flaw that I’m afflicted with.

No, it's just a conscience.. not a guilty one.

"We", not "me".

 

[PhillyRam]

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

We don't have "overlords."

We don't have goon squads holding people down and sticking needles in their arm.

What we do have are laws, regulations and structures we've created as a country to, hopefully, serve each other better. If you want to benefit from the fruits of those structures, if you want to participate in things like commerce, education and even entertainment, it requires some give.

I'll use a popular cry... "Freedom ain't free" and it isn't created in a vacuum.

Vaccine requirements aren't novel, on any level. We've agreed to this as a society.

Well, I would also argue firing you from your job is no different than goon squads holding you down and sticking you with a needle.

I have seen stories of young women who were pregnant, or trying to get pregnant, who along with their doctor, decided to not get vaccinated. And again if you already had it, you may feel there is no need for a vax. And again especially since the experts keep changing their opinion's on what the vaccine or the virus actually does.

Yet, it's get the shot or get fired? Sounds like overlord's to me.

 

[thirteen28]

Well, I would also argue firing you from your job is no different than goon squads holding you down and sticking you with a needle.

I have seen stories of young women who were pregnant, or trying to get pregnant, who along with their doctor, decided to not get vaccinated. And again if you already had it, you may feel there is no need for a vax. And again especially since the experts keep changing their opinion's on what the vaccine or the virus actually does.

Yet, it's get the shot or get fired? Sounds like overlord's to me.

The Nuremberg Code (1947)

The text of the Nuremberg Code.

www.cirp.org

"The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision."

 

[PhillyRam]

No, it's just a conscience.. not a guilty one.

"We", not "me".

Well, that person has the choice to be protected by the vax themselves... Right?

You can't say it's critical that you get vaxed if you then also think the vaccine doesn't protect people.

 

[Kupped]

Well, I would also argue firing you from your job is no different than goon squads holding you down and sticking you with a needle.

I have seen stories of young women who were pregnant, or trying to get pregnant, who along with their doctor, decided to not get vaccinated. And again if you already had it, you may feel there is no need for a vax. And again especially since the experts keep changing their opinion's on what the vaccine or the virus actually does.

Yet, it's get the shot or get fired? Sounds like overlord's to me.

It's very different.

You get to make the decision for yourself.

You work with other people, you're benefitting from Public Health laws and regulations. This is simply part of that.

 

[Kupped]

Well, that person has the choice to be protected by the vax themselves... Right?

You can't say it's critical that you get vaxed if you then also think the vaccine doesn't protect people.

What?

 

[Q729]

I mean this damn virus is still around. Are people gonna maybe think shit might have to change to get rid of it? Or are we going to keep refusing to run the ball and keep losing? Wait, what was I talking about...

 

[PhillyRam]

Children can't go to schools w/o scores of vaccines. You can't be 8n the military without scores of vaccinations. Tons of jobs you can't get w/o a tb test that injects tb into your body. All of those things have been in place for decades.

It's completely disingenuous to pretend the covid vaccination is any different than those circumstances.

It's a diff type of vax and those required vaccine's are not for disease's that have a 99.98% survival rate for kids and 99.5 for adults. This is not Small Pox or Polio that have a much much higher rate of serious illness and death.

 

[PhillyRam]

What?

If the vaccine works, then unvaxed people should not bother you because you are protected by getting the vaccine yourself.

It's not to tough to figure out.

Unless the vaccine doesn't protect you...

 

[Kupped]

If the vaccine works, then unvaxed people should not bother you because you are protected by getting the vaccine yourself.

It's not to tough to figure out.

Unless the vaccine doesn't protect you...

I care about our society as a whole.
I care about the health and welfare of those who may be more vulnerable than I.

So, protecting others is very much part of why I choose to do it.. because I live in a society where we benefit from each other in many ways.

 

[PhillyRam]

If the vaccine works, then unvaxed people should not bother you because you are protected by getting the vaccine yourself.

It's not to tough to figure out.

Unless the vaccine doesn't protect you...

And BTW, I am also vaxed, but I don't feel you can force everyone to get It. I think you are foolish to not get it if you are vulnerable to it, but it's your choice. And if you don't get it, you won't harm any vaxed people because they are supposedly protected by the vaccine.

 

[PhillyRam]

I care about our society as a whole.
I care about the health and welfare of those who may be more vulnerable than I.

So, protecting others is very much part of why I choose to do it.. because I live in a society where we benefit from each other in many ways.

So your saying the vax does not protect those who now have 3 shots?

 

[Kupped]

And BTW, I am also vaxed, but I don't feel you can force everyone to get It. I think you are foolish to not get it if you are vulnerable to it, but it's your choice. And if you don't get it, you won't harm any vaxed people because they are supposedly protected by the vaccine.

And I feel if you choose not to, you don't get to benefit from things like the public health system and a society that creates safe work environments, in great part, from that.

Pretty simple, as you would say.

 

[Kupped]

So your saying the vax does not protect those who now have 3 shots?

It certainly does protect them a great deal from catching it and from developing severe illness. A very great deal.

 

[PhillyRam]

And I feel if you choose not to, you don't get to benefit from things like the public health system and a society that creates safe work environments, in great part, from that.

Pretty simple, as you would say.

Do you say the same about people who are obese? The biggest factor in hospitalization's regarding Covid or most diseases is obesity.

Should obese people not benefit from our public health system? How about smokers? Drug addicts? How about any bad habit that effects your health?

Maybe we should have panels who decide who is worthy of care?

Starting to sound like having overlord's doesn't it?

Be careful of the slippery slope you want us to head down.

 

[FarNorth]

For the record I took the vaccine because I believe in the science of them. But I do not believe in the govt telling Americans they need to get it.

Taking of liberties doesn't start big. It starts small.

Some of us who are old enough to have been subject to the draft and sent to fight in the jungle may have a different appreciation of what an imposition on personal freedom could really look like. It’s not getting a jab.

 

[PhillyRam]

It certainly does protect them a great deal from catching it and from developing severe illness. A very great deal.

So why do you care if young people, who are mostly asymptomatic and as likely to transmit it as a vaxed person, get the shot or not?

You and other vulnerable people are protected.

 

[Zodi]

This thread reminds me of Thanksgiving at the inlaws.

 

[Zodi]

So why do you care if young people, who are mostly asymptomatic and as likely to transmit it as a vaxed person, get the shot or not?

I get all my info from Alex Jones, CNN and Facebook so I'm an expert, but I'm pretty sure vaccinated people (or those with the natural antibodies) shed the virus much quicker, which usually results in them infecting others less.