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RamzFanz

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Kroenke didn't want public money. That was the issue. He wanted to own his stadium and have an opportunity to make a lot of money developing the land around it. LA presented better monetary options. It sucks but it was a business move. St. Louis couldn't have done anything to keep the team. It's a great sports city and hopefully, football will be back one day.

Oh, I get his motivation. I get LA's motivation. I get the NFL's motivation. That doesn't mean it was fair of the NFL or even smart. A lot of cities are going to use this latest example of NFL callousness to oppose building or improving stadiums. We now have an empty dome that just turned 20 years old. The NFL just said to the world, we don't care, we'll move if we please, and our guidelines mean nothing.

Taking our team with what we put on the table, after what Goodell did, and offering the other cities $100M so they can build and keep their teams is just brutally disrespectful and sends a message to cities they don't care.
 

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It's always about the money. Stan has lots and wants more. I also think he wants to build a unique memorable structure that isn't a Walmart strip Mall.

Heart felt feelings go out to St Louis area fans. For a mostly crappy team they stood by the Rams at a pretty high level. I hope they still follow the Horns but understand if they don't.

It's going to take some time to sink in.
 

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Well said. Well, mostly. I don't mean to quibble on such a trying day, but I do have to correct one thing.

North Dakota has things. It has things! I mean, if you're in Fargo, you can visit the Visitor's Bureau there and see the actual Woodchipper from the movie, "Fargo". I mean, c'mon, that's got to be worth the price of a plane ticket, rental car and motel room.

On a serious note, I will actually be in SoCal around the beginning of October for my 30th HS reunion which is October 1st. I think scoring a ticket for any of the first year games will be awfully tough (and expensive) and that presumes they are even playing at home that weekend, but if they are, you know I'll be there to tailgate! A ROD tailgate is good times!
Just to put it out there, if anyone really wants to see the woodchipper, I'll put you up for free. Besides, we also have a Stevie Ray Vaughn walk of fame autograph and imprint. And that's way more cool.
 

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Well said. Well, mostly. I don't mean to quibble on such a trying day, but I do have to correct one thing.

North Dakota has things. It has things! I mean, if you're in Fargo, you can visit the Visitor's Bureau there and see the actual Woodchipper from the movie, "Fargo". I mean, c'mon, that's got to be worth the price of a plane ticket, rental car and motel room.

On a serious note, I will actually be in SoCal around the beginning of October for my 30th HS reunion which is October 1st. I think scoring a ticket for any of the first year games will be awfully tough (and expensive) and that presumes they are even playing at home that weekend, but if they are, you know I'll be there to tailgate! A ROD tailgate is good times!

LOL. Yeah, Fargo is awesome and then there's...uh.....

ROD tailgate in LA...so let it be written so let it be done.
Did someone say ROD tailgate in LA? I'll try to be there! Say when...
 

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Just to put it out there, if anyone really wants to see the woodchipper, I'll put you up for free. Besides, we also have a Stevie Ray Vaughn walk of fame autograph and imprint. And that's way more cool.

Jesus, North Dakota does have it going on!
 

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If I'm Cincinnati or any of these other cities with top tier clauses, I'm laughing at the news. There goes the last hope of any leverage the NFL has. Two teams in LA leaves nothing left for the owners to threaten with.
Looks like 2016 is the year of the Ram!
 

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Jesus, North Dakota does have it going on!
Pretty fond of the STL myself. I'm looking forward to visiting again. Even without the Rams, it's still a beautiful city and I had a great time when I was there a few years back. Proud of you for being a great sport through all this bullshit man.
 

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Sorry about the news. I don't live in St. Louis, but I can see tons of amazing Ram fans on these boards and watching home games. Rip me ever watching a Ram game. No doubt the La ticket price will be way to high for me to afford. :(
 

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I've been taking a break since the 2nd Cardinals game. It hurts. St. Louis is only 6 hours away from me. Leave 8 in the morning, get there by 2.

I've never EVER been west of Oklahoma. The furthest west I've ever been is Oklahoma City. So I don't know when I'll get to see the Rams in person again, if ever.

StanK and the NFL treated STL and the taskforce like complete shit. It's simply unfair to the fans in STL that supported them through 15-65. That said I know there's a lot of old LA Rams fans that supported the STL Rams when they moved and during the dark ages of 2007-2011. So it'll be hard at first, but I'll try my best to keep supporting. I honestly don't think I can go for another NFL team. Even Pittsburgh, they still would be 2nd behind the LA Rams. Good lord that is just weird to type. And technically I've always rooted for an out of market team living in Dallas land.

There is a lot of potential here, though. More exposure, more national tv time, more players wanting to go to LA. I'm still skeptical of StanK. We'll see how it is 4, 5 years down the line if the team isn't up to par.
 

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If I'm Cincinnati or any of these other cities with top tier clauses, I'm laughing at the news. There goes the last hope of any leverage the NFL has. Two teams in LA leaves nothing left for the owners to threaten with.

Not so. It's just musical chairs. Especially in the case of St. Louis because they put together such a viable plan. I realize that the Raiders may not want to leave Oakland because that area is really coming along, but other towns like Cincinnati (Detroit...) actually SHOULD worry about this.

The work of the Governor's commission did ONE thing: As was stated early on in the process which was to show the NFL that St. Louis is a viable NFL town, the stadium plan is top tier NFL quality.

Now, unlike San Antonio or any other town, IF St. Louis wants another team, well guess what? St. Louis ALREADY has all the work DONE. FILED. IN THE NFL's HANDS regarding the most important part: the STADIUM. Boom. *drops mic*

Now, does that happen right away? No. It doesn't. And other cities can do the work in the meantime, but it took a lot of time and money.

So, in conclusion, it may remove LA from the extortion roulette wheel the NFL owners used to use, but it just put St Louis on it (again, if St. Louis wants to be on it) in addition to San Antonio.
 

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First off, I'd like to say Congratulations to the Los Angeles community and fan base. The Rams are finally 'coming home'!! To have your hearts ripped out like you did 21 years ago must have been awful, but the excitement you guys are feeling must be amazing. I'm super happy for you guys and I'm looking forward to the fans we will be adding here at ROD.

Secondly, my deepest condolences goes out to our fellow St. Louis fan base and community. I don't live in or around St. Louis (southwest Iowa), but it is closer to my home then LA. I haven't been a fan nearly as long as probably anyone on this board; however, for my entire life the Rams have been in St. Louis. Today, January 12th, is my 20th birthday and this is one of the worst ones I've ever had. Not because I wanted the Rams to stay in St. Louis (it didn't matter too much to me), but because I lost a huge part of my family today. I feel absolutely awful for you guys, but I will never know how bad this one hurts as much as you guys. I'm sorry.

Lastly, I understand there is and will be much tension still between these two cities. If there was something I could do, I would have 4 games in STL and 4 games in LA (It probably wouldn't work as well as it does in my mind, but that's what I'd do). For the long time St. Louis Rams fans who will not continue to follow the team, it is completely understandable. I hope this won't be the last time I see some of you, but if it is, goodbye and I wish you all the best.

Go Rams!
- Leuzer
 
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Loyalty over location? I don't show loyalty when none is shown to me. That loyalty ship sailed when he bad mouthed the city and its fans. That was personal, not just a business move. I'm nobody in this world, but I have some pride and sense of self worth.

Yeah but buddy, you're not gonna just be completely done with the Rams now, are you? I lived in the Los Angeles area when my Rams left in 1994. It was hard. But I NEVER punished my team the Rams because the owners picked up and moved. It's really hard for you I understand. But it will get easier as the months and years go by.
 

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As A 52 year old LA native and Ram fan I can not be clear enough on how much empathy and sadness I have for all my friends and board mates in St Louis. I truly have not yet acknowledged the excitement and opportunity this brings me and my family to view them close by as my heart feels for those affected.
As I did 20 something years ago you will most likely mend and root for what is a deeper connection than you may know.
Hit me up when you head west to watch us crush the water hoarding No Cals and I will show you my town.
 
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Cowboys owner Jerry Jones gives his take on the Rams moving to Los Angeles, saying that the team’s owner, Stan Kroenke is a tremendous asset to the NFL. (1:18)

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offering the other cities $100M so they can build and keep their teams is just brutally disrespectful and sends a message to cities they don't care.

They're offering it to the team's not the city.. That's the (slight) difference.. Since Stan didn't want the money, because he didn't want St Louis, the NFL couldn't really offer the city the money... Just the Rams.. Who wouldn't have taken it.
I've been taking a break since the 2nd Cardinals game. It hurts. St. Louis is only 6 hours away from me. Leave 8 in the morning, get there by 2.

I've never EVER been west of Oklahoma. The furthest west I've ever been is Oklahoma City. So I don't know when I'll get to see the Rams in person again, if ever.

StanK and the NFL treated STL and the taskforce like complete crap. It's simply unfair to the fans in STL that supported them through 15-65. That said I know there's a lot of old LA Rams fans that supported the STL Rams when they moved and during the dark ages of 2007-2011. So it'll be hard at first, but I'll try my best to keep supporting. I honestly don't think I can go for another NFL team. Even Pittsburgh, they still would be 2nd behind the LA Rams. Good lord that is just weird to type. And technically I've always rooted for an out of market team living in Dallas land.

There is a lot of potential here, though. More exposure, more national tv time, more players wanting to go to LA. I'm still skeptical of StanK. We'll see how it is 4, 5 years down the line if the team isn't up to par.

You've never been west of Oklahoma City? Sounds like a good excuse to travel man, see the world you wont regret it
 

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Michael Eaves and Andrew Brandt break down the NFL’s decision to allow the Rams to relocate to Los Angeles and the Chargers’ option to join them in the next year. (1:58)

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Goodbye, St. Louis Rams; owners approve move to Los Angeles
• By David Hunn

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_ae537abe-8471-5ac3-9edc-2c3174ce7fd9.html

HOUSTON • National Football League owners on Tuesday voted overwhelmingly to strip the Rams from St. Louis and send the team to owner Stan Kroenke’s proposed $2 billion stadium in Los Angeles County.

The owners also agreed, after more than 10 hours of presentations and negotiations, to allow Dean Spanos to move his San Diego Chargers — but not to the site he proposed. Instead, after multiple closed-door meetings, Spanos agreed to consider leasing or buying into Kroenke’s stadium in Inglewood, southwest of downtown L.A.

The Rams will play in a temporary home in the Los Angeles area next season.

The news almost immediately drew outrage from St. Louis fans, and disappointment from local leaders.

St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay said in a statement that the NFL ignored the facts, the strength of the market, the local plan to build a new stadium, and the loyalty of St. Louis fans, “who supported the team through far more downs than ups.”

St. Louis County Executive Steve Stenger said he was “bitterly” disappointed.

Dave Peacock, co-chairman of the task force to build a new football stadium here, called his work with the NFL more “contemplated and contrived than I realized.”

“We’d aim for a target, hit it, and they’d say, no the target was over here,” he said of the NFL’s direction.

And lifelong fans, such as Mickey Right, were crestfallen.

“This whole thing’s made me want to become a basketball fan,” said Right, who visited the Edward Jones Dome late Tuesday in homage. “It just really loses your faith in the NFL. It’s supposed to be a league of integrity.”

The Rams and the Chargers, if the team moves, will each pay a $550 million relocation fee.

Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis is, for now, left out of moving plans. Spanos had worked with him for at least a year on a two-team stadium in Carson, Calif., just south of Kroenke’s site.

“We’ll see where Raider Nation ends up here,” he said after the meetings. “We’ll be looking for a home.”

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said after the meetings that Davis will have the opportunity to take the second spot in Inglewood, if Spanos declines. Also, the league has agreed to pay an extra $100 million — beyond the $200 million in NFL stadium construction funds — to either Spanos or Davis, whichever stays in his hometown.

Goodell called both the Carson and the Inglewood projects “outstanding.”

But he said he expected Kroenke’s plan to become “one of the greatest” sports and entertainment complexes in the world.

“We have the return of the Los Angeles Rams to their home,” Goodell said. “We have a facility that is going to be absolutely extraordinary in the Los Angeles market that I think fans are going to absolutely love. And I think it’s going to set a new bar for all sports, quite frankly. And, that, we’re very proud of.”

Those close to the process said after the meeting that it was Kroenke’s stadium vision — in its physical beauty, surrounding redevelopment, and its pitch to house the NFL’s substantial media businesses — that swayed owners. They came into the meeting, insiders said privately, liking his plan better.

Still, they had to vote twice to cut the deal. The first vote favored Kroenke, 20-12, but failed to get the necessary three-fourths of the league’s 32 owners, as required when a team applies to move to a new city.

The owners then took a break while several met behind closed doors with Spanos and Davis.

The final vote came in 30-2, several sources told the Post-Dispatch — and left St. Louis without an NFL team, again.

ST. LOUIS SAGA

The day was historic for the league. Owners have never agreed to relocate two teams at once.

And it ends a year of deliberations by finally returning the NFL to Los Angeles, which has been without a team for more than two decades.

Most credit Kroenke for starting the race. Three years ago, the billionaire real estate developer took his landlords at the Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis to arbitration over the now-infamous “first tier” clause in their lease. The clause required the state of Missouri, city of St. Louis and St. Louis County to renovate the Dome — for about $700 million — up to the league’s “first tier,” or top eight stadia. Local officials declined, and, as prescribed in the lease, the Rams went year-to-year at the Dome.

Two years ago, Kroenke bought land in Inglewood, next to the Los Angeles International Airport. Just a year ago, he announced he was building a “world-class” stadium there.

Spanos has said publicly that he took Kroenke’s move as a direct threat to the Chargers’ fan base, one-fourth of which comes from L.A., he said. Soon after Kroenke’s announcement, Spanos and Davis announced a two-team stadium in Carson.

In the meantime, Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon named a stadium task force, which proposed a $1.1 billion open-air stadium on the St. Louis riverfront — with $400 million in public funding — just north of downtown.

The past year featured regular revelations. At some point, nearly every pundit made a prediction.

Then, last week, the league’s relocation filing period opened, and all three teams submitted. Kroenke pitched a sparkling stadium set among shops, restaurants and hotels. His proposal also blasted St. Louis, calling the city “struggling,” and the region unable to sustain three professional sports teams.

Moreover, Kroenke said, Nixon’s stadium plan was so inadequate, not only would the Rams decline, but any NFL team that took the deal was on the path to “financial ruin.”

Officials, from Mayor Slay to Sen. Claire McCaskill, were outraged. Nixon’s stadium task force sent a point-by-point response to the league.

But, this past weekend, Goodell sent a report to all owners saying that the task force plan was inadequate.

Early on Tuesday, it seemed like St. Louis fans could hold on to hopes that owners might vote otherwise. The league’s Committee on Los Angeles Opportunities, made up of six influential owners, recommended in favor of the Carson project.

But by midday, it didn’t seem to matter. Kroenke’s proposal took top billing in early votes, and the owners broke several times, with L.A. committee members meeting in private with Spanos and Davis.

FUTURE OF NFL
IN ST. LOUIS

Late Tuesday a triumphant Kroenke took the stage, unflinchingly, in a large room at the Westin Hotel, site of the meeting. “This is the hardest undertaking that I’ve faced in my career,” Kroenke said. “I understand the emotional side.”

Kroenke, infamous for ducking the spotlight, spoke haltingly, but answered every question asked by dozens of reporters at the news conference. It was the most he had said to St. Louis in two years.

And he was unapologetic.

“We worked hard, got a little bit lucky, and had a lot of people help us,” he said, nodding to league staff.

“We have to have a first-class stadium product.”

After the press conference, as NFL security ushered Goodell away from the throngs, the commissioner stopped for a moment to discuss the NFL’s future in St. Louis.

“We haven’t had an opportunity to speak to the governor; of course, I will,” Goodell told the Post-Dispatch. “I think that’s got to be a decision we jointly have to make.

“It’s going to take a high-quality stadium that we’re comfortable with,” Goodell said. “That’s a starting point.”

And then, he said, they’ll have to match St. Louis to a team.

Kristen Taketa of the Post-Dispatch contributed to this report from St. Louis.