Raheem Morris discussion thread

[SWAdude]

We had a top 10 offense last year


And our “ championship” defense was average at best



But here on ROD the muppets will try and convince you it a number 1 defense and Raheem Morris isn’t the problem…

Raheem Morris has had a top 10 defense 1 time in his coaching career. That right only once! And it ranked 9th in 2010 with the Bucs for points allowed per game.

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3 years HC with Bucs, 1 year DC/HC Falcons, 2 years Rams DC. Let’s look at the numbers:

Bucs 09-11: PTS RANK 27,9,32 YDS RANK: 27,17,30

ATL 2020TS RANK: 19 YARDS RANK: 29

Rams 21-22TS RANK 15,17 YARDS RANK 17,19

So as an average rank of his defenses as a HC and DC he averages 20.7 (21) out of 32 teams for Points given away and yards he averages 23.17 (23) out of 32 teams.

The guy has fielded a top 10 defense one time for points at rank 9 in 2010.

He is trash and his aged cover 2 philosophies don’t work.




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Now THAT.......is a personal record for a reply to a post of mine.

I'm afraid to respond.

 

[dieterbrock]

give it a rest.. getting tired of babysitting every damn thread you take part in

I dont understand this. The guy defends Morris relentlessly, the Rams current defensive coordinator. Isnt that the spirit of this place? Defending our own? Seems like the "popular opinion" is what's acceptable these days, and opposing the popular opinion is met with harsh criticism

 

[PARAM]

Yards don't win games. Points win games.
Scoring defenses, ranked by "offensive points allowed" (offensive TDs and FGs......no PR, KR, FR, Blk P, Blk FG....ie, no Special Team TDs and no points against the offense such as pick 6's and safeties)

The Rams were #15 (35 TD, 36 FG)

Here's the top 16

SF..............15.6
Buffalo....17.5
NYJ............17.8
Balt...........18.2

Saints.......18.4
Cincy.........18.5
N.Eng........18.6
Philly.........19.1

Dallas........19.2
Wash..........19.4
Den.............20.1 (20.06)
Tenn............20.1 (20.06)

Pitt..............20.1 (20.11)
Jax...............20.6
RAMS..........20.8
Tampa........21.1

FWIW, the Rams finished #1 in RZ defense (44.4%). Buffalo was #2 followed by Baltimore, the Jets and the Giants. The Rams allowed the 5th fewest RZ TDs despite finishing #20 in RZ possessions allowed. It might have been that "make them go the long way approach" that Morris (and McVay) favored vs the opponents, who had the 4th best starting field position in the NFL.

FWIW, the 2021 Rams D finished #5 in "offensive PPG" allowed 335 (19.7 ppg)

 

[Tano]

The Rams allowed the 5th fewest RZ TDs despite finishing #20 in RZ possessions allowed.

I have never had a problem with Morris RZ defense.

I just have a problem that they had to go into a RZ defense so many times this year

 

[Faceplant]

I know I'm a little crazy

Speaking of crazy, am I crazy to think that the offense needs some rethinking? I know how injured the OL was last year, but the offense looked inconsistent at best even when we were healthy in 2021.....and if I'm being honest, back to the end of 2018.

I really hope McVay gets another brain in the room that he can trust. Someone HAS to take his beloved screen plays the heck away from him!! Love you coach!!

 

[ottoman89]

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Speaking of crazy, am I crazy to think that the offense needs some rethinking? I know how injured the OL was last year, but the offense looked inconsistent at best even when we were healthy in 2021.....and if I'm being honest, back to the end of 2018.

I really hope McVay gets another brain in the room that he can trust. Someone HAS to take his beloved screen plays the heck away from him!! Love you coach!!

Yeah, I think so. I'd love to see them implement more power running. Need a physical front and running game like SF.

 

[den-the-coach]

FWIW, the Rams finished #1 in RZ defense (44.4%). Buffalo was #2 followed by Baltimore, the Jets and the Giants. The Rams allowed the 5th fewest RZ TDs despite finishing #20 in RZ possessions allowed. It might have been that "make them go the long way approach" that Morris (and McVay) favored vs the opponents, who had the 4th best starting field position in the NFL.

FWIW, the 2021 Rams D finished #5 in "offensive PPG" allowed 335 (19.7 ppg)

This is amazing @PA Ram and thanks for your due diligence and making us all aware that truly it was not the defense that held the Los Angeles Rams back this year.

That being posted the issues I had was the bend but don't break philosophy. Others teams use it and I also understand the Rams did not have the best pass rushers, but I'd rather go down in flames just like Jesse James.

The Rams did not blitz often, however, when they did they had some positive results. Ramsey was very good on the blitz and I would have like to see more of that. Also Derion Kendrick was not good at all and should have been on the bench. Besides Durant the Rams had other options like Shaun Jolly for example that is a far better cover corner and IMO, the Rams took too long to get Durant back in and Kendrick out.

Now the pipe dream is to bring in a Vic Fangio who is one of the premier DC's in the NFL or Brandon Staley if the Chargers and him part ways, but Raheem Morris was not Larry Marmie and as Ram fans we should be grateful for what Morris was able to accomplish and also his locker room presence as he is a first class individual, that's for sure.

 

[PARAM]

I have never had a problem with Morris RZ defense.

I just have a problem that they had to go into a RZ defense so many times this year

They actually had a better percentage this year though

2022: 24 TDs / 54 RZ poss (44.4%; #1)
2021: 29 TDs / 56 RZ poss (51.8%; #6)

Red zone was better. In percentage and number of possessions faced.

The big difference this year was sacks. Last year we had 50, this year 38.
Takeaways were pretty close. Last year 25, this year 22.

But the PROBLEM this year wasn't defense. It was offense. 51 offensive TDs/ 32 FGs in 2021. 31 TDs/ 28 FGs in 2022. That's a difference of 152 pts, 8.9 PPG. The defense would have had to have been exponentially better. To an impossible degree.

 

[Tano]

They actually had a better percentage this year though

2022: 24 TDs / 54 RZ poss (44.4%; #1)
2021: 29 TDs / 56 RZ poss (51.8%; #6)

Red zone was better. In percentage and number of possessions faced.

The big difference this year was sacks. Last year we had 50, this year 38.
Takeaways were pretty close. Last year 25, this year 22.

But the PROBLEM this year wasn't defense. It was offense. 51 offensive TDs/ 32 FGs in 2021. 31 TDs/ 28 FGs in 2022. That's a difference of 152 pts, 8.9 PPG. The defense would have had to have been exponentially better. To an impossible degree.

Yeah the offense was terrible but as Den just stated above, I would have like to go down in flames and play an aggressive type defense than the bend no break defense.

And in 2021, I also had a problem with Morris passive defense for the majority of the season.

He didn't go aggressive until after we got Von Miller. It shows he knows how. I just do not understand his passive nature.

 

[Merlin]

The offense absolutely was a problem and we cannot hang all of it on the OL. So mostly injuries, but clearly there were shortfalls all over that side of the ball starting from the top.

Thing is we're not gonna fire McVay. But this is why many of us want him to hire a real OC this offseason. He's been hitting on young assistants and having them poached but I think maybe it's time to have a guy in there who can handle the OC load by himself so the boss can sit back and coach his coaches and do deep dives on one side of the ball or other when he needs to.

I don't hate on Coen by any means. He is probably a victim of poor circumstances in his OC look. But he wasn't good enough for a perennial contender. Let's have high standards.

 

[PARAM]

Yeah the offense was terrible but as Den just stated above, I would have like to go down in flames and play an aggressive type defense than the bend no break defense.

And in 2021, I also had a problem with Morris passive defense for the majority of the season.

He didn't go aggressive until after we got Von Miller. It shows he knows how. I just do not understand his passive nature.

Did he? Or did the acquisition of Miller just make us appear more aggressive? We had Leonard Floyd on one side. Miller on the other. Before Miller got on the field, Floyd had 7.5 sacks in 9 games. Afterwards, just 2 in 8 games. Why? Because he was used primarily as the run defender, pass coverage OLB and sometimes rushed along with Miller. He had 3 PD and a pick after Miller arrived. And it's not like his snaps dropped after VM arrived. They actually increased from 79.4% to 81.1%. My perception is we "looked" more aggressive because we were more affective.

The offense absolutely was a problem and we cannot hang all of it on the OL. So mostly injuries, but clearly there were shortfalls all over that side of the ball starting from the top.

Thing is we're not gonna fire McVay. But this is why many of us want him to hire a real OC this offseason. He's been hitting on young assistants and having them poached but I think maybe it's time to have a guy in there who can handle the OC load by himself so the boss can sit back and coach his coaches and do deep dives on one side of the ball or other when he needs to.

I don't hate on Coen by any means. He is probably a victim of poor circumstances in his OC look. But he wasn't good enough for a perennial contender. Let's have high standards.

Not good enough for a perennial contender? He's not calling plays. He's not designing the game plan. He's probably heading meetings to install McVay's game plan. McVay is calling the plays. What affect does he have on winning or losing? We're talking about a head coach who is hands on with the offense. Reportedly, extremely. Like it's him. Not Coen or anybody else he might hire. Could that change? Certainly with a guy like Reich. So maybe we'll get a handle on that lean when he hires the OC. LaFleur? Just another Coen IMHO.

 

[Tano]

Did he? Or did the acquisition of Miller just make us appear more aggressive? We had Leonard Floyd on one side. Miller on the other. Before Miller got on the field, Floyd had 7.5 sacks in 9 games. Afterwards, just 2 in 8 games. Why? Because he was used primarily as the run defender, pass coverage OLB and sometimes rushed along with Miller. He had 3 PD and a pick after Miller arrived. And it's not like his snaps dropped after VM arrived. They actually increased from 79.4% to 81.1%. My perception is we "looked" more aggressive because we were more affective.

I rewatched a lot of games last year and before Von - we primarily played a cover 2 defense with "off" defenders (ie CBs being 7 to 10 yards off the line of scrimmage)

After Von, we played a lot more Press Man coverage. We still played off quite a bit but he definitely became much more aggressive with playing Press.

In the games this year when he played press more often, we actually had sacks and interceptions at a much higher rate than when we played "off" coverage.

The first interception by Ramsey against Seattle (just to give an example) - Ramsey was playing Press Man defense. He had Ramsey play Press Man against Metcalf more often in that game than in any other game and Ramsey had his best game of the year.

 

[Merlin]

Not good enough for a perennial contender? He's not calling plays. He's not designing the game plan. He's probably heading meetings to install McVay's game plan. McVay is calling the plays. What affect does he have on winning or losing? We're talking about a head coach who is hands on with the offense. Reportedly, extremely. Like it's him. Not Coen or anybody else he might hire. Could that change? Certainly with a guy like Reich. So maybe we'll get a handle on that lean when he hires the OC. LaFleur? Just another Coen IMHO.

Following your logic an OC does nothing. It's all McVay. I don't think it's that simple. But I do think the quality of the OC has an effect on this offense.

 

[PARAM]

Following your logic an OC does nothing. It's all McVay. I don't think it's that simple. But I do think the quality of the OC has an effect on this offense.

No he doesn't do "nothing". He just doesn't do the things that impact the outcome of the game such as game plan and calling plays. Might he suggest something here and there? I don't doubt that but I have to wonder, how forcefully? Might the QB have his ear? A go between for the QB and HC-OC? Probably with a guy like Goff but Stafford? Nah, I don't see Stafford being shy with McVay. He's been in the league longer! I just question the idea a quasi-OC can have a substantial affect on a team's performance. Particularly one who has far less NFL experience than the HC/playcaller and QB.

 

[Merlin]

No he doesn't do "nothing". He just doesn't do the things that impact the outcome of the game such as game plan and calling plays. Might he suggest something here and there? I don't doubt that but I have to wonder, how forcefully? Might the QB have his ear? A go between for the QB and HC-OC? Probably with a guy like Goff but Stafford? Nah, I don't see Stafford being shy with McVay. He's been in the league longer! I just question the idea a quasi-OC can have a substantial affect on a team's performance. Particularly one who has far less NFL experience than the HC/playcaller and QB.

You think McVay does 100% of the gameplanning?

Hope the OC makes a good pot of coffee.

 

[PARAM]

You think McVay does 100% of the gameplanning?

I think McVay has done 99% of everything offensively. Think he's going to leave any part of the offensive game plan to chance by not having his hands firmly around it? Or the playcalling? You've watched and listened to the guy for 6 years. You really believe his OC is as heavily involved as say, Harbaugh's OC? Tomlin's? Isn't it possible Coen left because he had little say?

 

[Corbin]

His defense was above average… AVERAGE… in many ways this year… a year marked by some bad personnel decisions and injuries.

If you care more about regular season results than the playoffs, that’s your prerogative… but Morris’ postseason D significantly outperformed Staley. Period.

But it wasn't above average, outside of the certain niche categories and you use that to justify your faulty illogical stance and argue with anybody who has evidence to contradict your unequivocal statements. The fact is history is going to look at Raheem Morris as a below average DC with a flawed philosophy and I would ask if you are Raheem, but I don't even think Raheem would be prideful enough not to acknowledge stated facts and numbers

Signed..

People who didn't watch the playoffs.

So he had 3 HOF players that made his defensive philosophy work but when there is only 2 it's not good enough to spit on? lol You corner yourself in your faulty arguments.

Now THAT.......is a personal record for a reply to a post of mine.

I'm afraid to respond.

Forgive me, I'm an idiot and quoted the wrong person! lol

But since I have your attention hope you doing good man!

 

[PARAM]

So he had 3 HOF players that made his defensive philosophy work but when there is only 2 it's not good enough...

He had 3 this year too......Donald, Ramsey and Wagner (who was voted 2nd team all pro this year).

 

[Corbin]

He had 3 this year too......Donald, Ramsey and Wagner (who was voted 2nd team all pro this year).

That is true, forgot about Wags. Guy is a beast! We need an another edge to make this D work halfway.

 

[Merlin]

I think McVay has done 99% of everything offensively. Think he's going to leave any part of the offensive game plan to chance by not having his hands firmly around it? Or the playcalling? You've watched and listened to the guy for 6 years. You really believe his OC is as heavily involved as say, Harbaugh's OC? Tomlin's? Isn't it possible Coen left because he had little say?

Acting like the OC has zero effect on this offense is ridiculous. So let's agree to disagree on that one.