(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

[jacktheripper85]

I think this whole thing with Silver is overblown. Most great QBs have had “moments” with their head coaches. Whether it was Marino with Shula, Aikman with Johnson, Brady with Belechick or Aaron Rodgers with his coaches it’s par for the course as the great coaches know the importance of good QB play and that’s the position critiqued the most and where their could be friction.

I think in this case Goff has been the man since day one with no one on the roster being worthy of pushing him. Maybe it’s complacency but Goff has taken a step back this year. I think McVay realizes this. And as Rams fans if we think McVay is this brilliant “mind” doesn’t it make sense that he would “talk up” Wolford to light a fire under Goff’s ass?

McVay isn’t dumb. He’s been around the league for a while and converses with a lot of successful coaches in the league. We know he talks to Belechick and I’m sure the relationship between him and Tom came up with Sean.

Another great example is Rodgers. Here’s a guy you wouldn’t think would need any motivation based on his history in the league, however look how Rodgers has been treating his HCs prior to this year. Calling them out, running his own plays, etc. so what happens this year-Green Bay drafts a QB in the first round and all of a sudden you don’t hear a peep out of Rodgers. Instead it fired him up and he went out and had one of his best seasons and will probably win MVP. Don’t think McVay noticed that or talked to his old coach LaFleur about it?

I know this is long winded but I think McVay is using Wolford to light a fire under Goff. McVay isn’t looking for some guy to take off and run out of the pocket every other play but on the flip side he doesn’t want a guy back their turtling at the first sign of pressure or turning the ball over.

I think the play McVay probably liked the most out of Goff (and he commented on it) is when Goff got some pressure moved around in the pocket and dumped it off to Akers who then went for fifty yards. Frankly that’s probably the best play Goff’s made in a few weeks and hasn’t been a characteristic of Goff in a while. So if McVay wants to push Goff’s buttons by starting a competition between him and Wolford I’m fine with that. Hopefully we see Goff play with more of a sense of urgency and passion like he demonstrated on that play and continues to do so. Just my 2 cents.

 

[JRobinson]

Ok, then is it also fair to hope that if he does start, that Wolford doesnt throw another terrible INT, can lead a TD drive for the first time in his career and not get knocked out the first time he takes off and runs?

Precisely.

At least Wolford will be able to move out of the way of a bull rush that Blythe can’t handle.

 

[JRobinson]

I think this whole thing with Silver is overblown. Most great QBs have had “moments” with their head coaches. Whether it was Marino with Shula, Aikman with Johnson, Brady with Belechick or Aaron Rodgers with his coaches it’s par for the course as the great coaches know the importance of good QB play and that’s the position critiqued the most and where their could be friction.

I think in this case Goff has been the man since day one with no one on the roster being worthy of pushing him. Maybe it’s complacency but Goff has taken a step back this year. I think McVay realizes this. And as Rams fans if we think McVay is this brilliant “mind” doesn’t it make sense that he would “talk up” Wolford to light a fire under Goff’s ass?

McVay isn’t dumb. He’s been around the league for a while and converses with a lot of successful coaches in the league. We know he talks to Belechick and I’m sure the relationship between him and Tom came up with Sean.

Another great example is Rodgers. Here’s a guy you wouldn’t think would need any motivation based on his history in the league, however look how Rodgers has been treating his HCs prior to this year. Calling them out, running his own plays, etc. so what happens this year-Green Bay drafts a QB in the first round and all of a sudden you don’t hear a peep out of Rodgers. Instead it fired him up and he went out and had one of his best seasons and will probably win MVP. Don’t think McVay noticed that or talked to his old coach LaFleur about it?

I know this is long winded but I think McVay is using Wolford to light a fire under Goff. McVay isn’t looking for some guy to take off and run out of the pocket every other play but on the flip side he doesn’t want a guy back their turtling at the first sign of pressure or turning the ball over.

I think the play McVay probably liked the most out of Goff (and he commented on it) is when Goff got some pressure moved around in the pocket and dumped it off to Akers who then went for fifty yards. Frankly that’s probably the best play Goff’s made in a few weeks and hasn’t been a characteristic of Goff in a while. So if McVay wants to push Goff’s buttons by starting a competition between him and Wolford I’m fine with that. Hopefully we see Goff play with more of a sense of urgency and passion like he demonstrated on that play and continues to do so. Just my 2 cents.

Fantastic post homie. Agreed in full.

 

[OnceARam]

Depending upon how things go in these playoffs, I can't help but to believe that Goff will be going the way of Cooks and Gurley this offseason. That is, if they can trade him.

Offensive guru playing second fiddle to Brandon Staley's defense? I really believe that McVay wants a QB that can make plays when the play called is defensed. It would make things so much easier for him and the team and would be better for the offense. Especially in the redzone.

You can't eat $60M for a top 15 QB. You just can't do that.

 

[Ellard80]

The throw to woods was easy - however the decision that Goff made to audible to that call was what was money.

However making judgements on if wolford can lead scoring drives because of the arizona game is inclusive. Not enough to go on. Our offense in that game looked like a lot of our games- inconsisent and unable to finish from mistakes.

history would say that we likely score less with wolford - but its still inconclusive.

 

[dieterbrock]

However making judgements on if wolford can lead scoring drives because of the arizona game is inclusive. Not enough to go on.

Well, that's the point on Wolford. Good, bad or indifferent, cant make any judgements on how he'll play based on the Arizona game due to it being inconclusive. However if one wants to point out the positives, they have to accept the negative side as well.

 

[WarnerToBruce]

Goff’s worst game wasn’t as bad as Wofford’s game against Arizona, and if Goff was playing that bad he would’ve been pulled.
They only went as long as they did with Wofford because Jared was unable to play. That is the only reason period. Or by your reasoning they would’ve went with Wofford before Goff got injured.

I have been trying to stay away from this debate, especially since the sample size on Wolf is so small, but this is the silliest comment I've ever read on this board.

With Goff healthy and playing reasonably well given his abilities, I feel he is definitely a better option than Wolford. But I base this on obvious difference in pedigree, so I reserve judgement since I've lived through the Warner years.

But to say Goff's WORST game wasn't as bad as Wolford's game? Really? And that Goff would have pulled if he played that way? Have you ever seen Goff pulled for performance? Let me help, answer is NO. And he's had some horrible games and had healthy backups waiting on the sideline.

Are you really basing this on Wolford not putting up a TD? Just trust your eyes, and read stat sheets with some context. We all saw Wolford run for key big gains when the Rams REALLY needed to extend drives. We saw him throw a perfect TD pass that was dropped by cement hands Everett. We saw Akers decide to switch hands at the GL and fumble. Wolford did not play a bad game, and would not have been mobbed by his team in the locker room afterward, if he had played a game worse than Goff's worst game.

I am not hating on Goff. He gets grief for the Super Bowl performance (can't believe we only put 3 points up, Goff sucks!), but I point out dropped throws in the end zone and uncalled DPIs that would have put 2 or potentially 3 TDs on the board. So my eyes tell me he played better than his stats. I've also seen him NOT run for obvious first down yardage and throw it 10 yards away from a WR into the hands of a DB. So I trust my eyes on that too.

You should do the same for this undrafted, untested QB who is trying to make a living as a QB before he goes onto managing financial portfolios.

 

[Flint]

My want to start Wolford last game against Seattle was precisely to have Goff more ready for this and future games. Unfortunately, Wolford got taught a valuable lesson. I don’t think the last game was particularly good for Jared’s thumb. My worry now is how the cold weather and past game may affect Jared’s grip considering the condition of his thumb.
Being we will likely run often vs the Pack, I’d once again start Wolford and monitor his performance. I don’t like the idea of us potentially losing Goff to injury this year when we could possibly get to the big dance with our defense and hopefully a limited turnover ratio. I think our defense will play lights out.

I agree that they wanted to get Goff an extra week but either Bortles wasn’t capable or Jared had a pretty good week. Wolford’s style presents the possibility of injury so they needed to be prepared for the possibility, it didn’t seem like they were. The Rams knew they could get to Russ and they knew the could contain the Seahag offense so it was a pretty good bet they could survive without Goff. This game is not for a guy who has 5 qtrs nfl experience but what happens if they get behind and have to throw or the cold makes it difficult for Goff to hold the ball? Will McVay pull him ?

 

[FrantikRam]

Except for the fact that Goff's passing numbers against the Saints were vastly superior, Goff led the Rams' offense to 26 points in one of the toughest environments in the NFL (at NO in the NFCCG), and was facing Drew Brees, not a hobbled Murray and a CFL backup. So no, actually, the game wasn't "just like" Wolford's. Continue grasping at straws.

I'm not grasping at anything - you posted something that is factually incorrect. It was a tough environment and a bigger game - but this was also Wolford's first ever NFL game with the playoffs on the line. The defenses were about the same caliber (league average).

Both players started poorly and the team got in a hole, both players completely tore it up after that.

Goff had 307 total yards, Wolford had 287. Both caught fire after the slow start.

The only reason the Rams scored 26 vs 18 is because we had the game in hand and didn't need to score late, coupled with Akers fumbling and Everett dropping a TD.

In the NFCCG, Gurley scored and didn't fumble while Higbee caught the perfectly thrown TD pass by Goff. Those are not Wolford's fault.

I'm not even advocating for either guy - but even fans of other teams who dislike Goff acknowledge that was a great game by him.

Wolford played QB very similarly - sure, smaller stage, but again - first NFL start with the playoffs on the line - understandable that both guys started shaky.

 

[jrry32]

I'm not grasping at anything - you posted something that is factually incorrect. It was a tough environment and a bigger game - but this was also Wolford's first ever NFL game with the playoffs on the line. The defenses were about the same caliber (league average).

There wasn't a thing I said that was factually incorrect. Goff would have gotten shat on if he had a passer rating in the 60's and led us to only 9 offensive points against Arizona. And you'd have been one of the people shitting on him for it. Trying to argue that Wolford's performance was on par with Goff's comeback and win against the Saints in the NFC Championship Game is utterly ridiculous.

Both players started poorly and the team got in a hole, both players completely tore it up after that.

Goff had 307 total yards, Wolford had 287. Both caught fire after the slow start.

The only reason the Rams scored 26 vs 18 is because we had the game in hand and didn't need to score late, coupled with Akers fumbling and Everett dropping a TD.

Wolford did not completely tear it up after that. He rebounded from a horrible start to play well. But he failed to lead the Rams to a single TD and led the offense to only 9 points. Goff led the offense to 26 points. Goff posted significantly better passing numbers. Goff did that on the road where the players could barely communicate. Go sell this nonsense elsewhere. I'm really tired of Goff haters understating the guy's accomplishments.

In the NFCCG, Gurley scored and didn't fumble while Higbee caught the perfectly thrown TD pass by Goff. Those are not Wolford's fault.

Do you remember Goff's interception against New Orleans? I expect you don't because you're trying to make this argument. His interception bounced right off Gurley's hands and into Demario Davis's. And no, it wasn't an errant pass. The ball was right on Gurley's chest. Every QB faces adversity. Every QB faces turnovers that aren't his fault. Every QB has weapons who drop passes now and then. Wolford's performance against Arizona wasn't in the same league as Goff's against New Orleans. Spare me.

Wolford played QB very similarly - sure, smaller stage, but again - first NFL start with the playoffs on the line - understandable that both guys started shaky.

No, he didn't. It was a significantly less effective performance.

 

[OldSchool]

Still must amazes me Wolford performance is being called great by some people. In the 4th quarter with the game on the line against Arizona he was 1-4 for -2 yards..... He had a good 3rd quarter but in the red zone he was 2-5 for 12 yards. I get it people are tired of Jared but this attempt to build Wolford up after his snaps taken so far just fails miserably.

 

[RamFan503]

14 pages of debate over THAT useless video clip? Since when has Silver EVER had a take that deserved so much consideration? The guy is a Ram hating, gossip mongering, hack. Sorry but when you look up douchebag, you will find Silver's smirking pie hole as he's getting fellated by Foolio.

 

[Ewe83]

This is the most baseless, ridiculous story, and saying "a divorce is coming" or whatever has to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on this forum, sorry. I can't believe this is 14 pages

 

[jrry32]

Still must amazes me Wolford performance is being called great by some people. In the 4th quarter with the game on the line against Arizona he was 1-4 for -2 yards..... He had a good 3rd quarter but in the red zone he was 2-5 for 12 yards. I get it people are tired of Jared but this attempt to build Wolford up after his snaps taken so far just fails miserably.

Goff vs. the Seahawks (Week 16)
24/43
234 passing yards
0 TDs
1 Int
61.6 Passer Rating
7 rushes
23 yards
9 offensive points scored

Wolford vs. the Cardinals
22/38
231 passing yards
0 TDs
1 Int
64.7 Passer Rating
6 rushes
56 yards
9 offensive points scored

I will grant you that stats don't tell the entire story. I will grant you that Wolford's numbers are a tad better. But we all agree that Goff's performance against Seattle was bad. Yet, the dude was playing a defense that was absolutely dominant over the second half of the year and played a good chunk of the second half with a broken thumb. It blows my mind that people have no issue calling out Goff for his bad play but want to hold up Wolford's game as if it was a good or great performance.

I respect that Wolford delivered in a pivotal game. I understand that they were his first snaps. I agree that he shouldn't be held to the same standard that Goff is. But that's because I believe Goff to be the better player and option when healthy. Goff may still be too hurt to be our best option this weekend. If Wolford is the guy, I am going to hope for the best. But his performance against Arizona wasn't great. Even if you exclude his bad start, it was serviceable. Still, if he's serviceable and avoids turnovers, that might be enough for us to win.

 

[AvengerRam]

We’re in the heart of the playoffs...let’s argue about a columnist’s conjecture.

Seriously?

 

[JRobinson]

Still must amazes me Wolford performance is being called great by some people. In the 4th quarter with the game on the line against Arizona he was 1-4 for -2 yards..... He had a good 3rd quarter but in the red zone he was 2-5 for 12 yards. I get it people are tired of Jared but this attempt to build Wolford up after his snaps taken so far just fails miserably.

Who is calling Wolford’s performance great?

 

[AZRams]

Goff/Wolf

Golf?

 

[jrry32]

Who is calling Wolford’s performance great?

Well, Frantik said Wolford performed similarly to Goff against the Saints in the NFCCG, and I'd classify that performance by Goff as great.

 

[Pancake]

I forgot what I just quoted above because your avatar image is mesmerizing... Purple haze?

It's Cindarella 99 with a deficiency that made it turn purple.

 

[JRobinson]

Well, Frantik said Wolford performed similarly to Goff against the Saints in the NFCCG, and I'd classify that performance by Goff as great.

Nah. Wolford’s performance wasn’t great by any stretch. It was enough to win and showcased his ability as a runner while proving to be a good match in this system
so it seems with the small sample size.