(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

[tempests]

Not sure if this was posted earlier in the thread, but here’s a link to the entire 3:59 segment where Silver is talking about his phone conversation with Goff.

Really sounds like there is a fair amount of resentment going on between Goff and McVay right now. Sounds like McVay was really getting frustrated with Goff’s reads and decision making over the last several weeks. And that Goff was none too happy with his coach’s decision to give Wolford the start in Seattle.

Maybe they’ll patch things up soon, and I hope they do, but I for one believe there was indeed some real friction there.

Silver: Goff says not starting vs. 'Hawks was 'one of the toughest things he had to go through'

See, and again, Silver doesn't say anything there that he didn't put into his story. Jared thought he should have started, but he also thought he should've played against Arizona.

McVay having "long, heartfelt" conversations with his starting QB shows he goes out of his way to make him comfortable with it. They might get frustrated with each other, but they're not in a place where they just can't work together anymore.

 

[Giles]

Well you’re just confusing me now with all this “burden of proof” talk. My point is simple: Without assumption, Wolford is better than Goff right now.

Lol wolf has still yet to lead a touchdown drive. Goff did twice with a busted thumb in a playoff game coming off the bench.

 

[dieterbrock]

On what grounds could you possibly hold them to the same standard?! Wolford has played ONE That’s not contradictory, those are simply facts. Goff has a higher expectation because he has more experience. How can you not take that into consideration when assessing two guys when it comes to “expectation”?

Is this a serious question? Of course they need to be held to the same standard when deciding who is the better option for 1 game.
If Wolford has a lower bar, that means lower expectation. Makes no sense you say the guy with the the lower bar is the better option.
And btw, Wolford did not win the Arizona game, the defense did.

 

[dieterbrock]

Lol wolf has still yet to lead a touchdown drive. Goff did twice with a busted thumb in a playoff game coming off the bench.

It took 5 seasons before Goff missed a game due to injury. It took Wolford 1 game and 10 snaps before he missed his

 

[IBruce80]

Who in their right mind wants a QB in a throwing league to be playing that just had surgery on his throw thumb less than 2 weeks ago and has three pins in it?!? Like that’s crazy.

McVay might have an issue with Goff or might not - idk. But McVay not playing him has everything to do with the thumb being jacked up and not something Goff should be playing with normally.

100% this right here.

 

[FrantikRam]

I really wish Goff was held to the same standard of "consistency." Had Goff played a game against Arizona like the one Wolford played, he would have gotten shat on relentlessly for his performance. If Goff was 100% healthy, Wolford never sniffs the field. There is zero chance that Wolford is a better option than a healthy Goff right now. It's a preposterous claim. But we don't have a healthy Goff.



Every coach is going to choose mobility over no mobility, all else equal. But all else isn't equal. If they saw Perkins as a potential starter next year, he wouldn't have been supplanted by Bortles. Maybe Perkins develops into that at some point, but he's not anywhere near that point right now. How do I know? Because we signed Bortles.

Actually Goff had played a game just like Wolfords - the NFCCG against the Saints. Early pick, team went down, tore it up the rest of the game. Main difference is that there were no drops or fumbles on the one yard line.

And this is widely considered Goff's best career game because of the stage - but Wolford's stage was also unusually large given the circumstances

 

[dieterbrock]

Actually Goff had played a game just like Wolfords - the NFCCG against the Saints. Early pick, team went down, tore it up the rest of the game. Main difference is that there were no drops or fumbles on the one yard line.

And this is widely considered Goff's best career game because of the stage - but Wolford's stage was also unusually large given the circumstances

Actually the main difference is that the defense scored the go ahead and winning points in the Arizona game, while Goff led the the offense, (2 TD, 26 points) to the comeback in New Orleans
You really couldnt have picked a more apples to oranges comparison in an attempt to favor Wolford IMO

 

[Giles]

It took 5 seasons before Goff missed a game due to injury. It took Wolford 1 game and 10 snaps before he missed his

That's not helping his case either. Goff has been average this but he's still better than wolf and it's not even close imo.

 

[dieterbrock]

That's not helping his case either. Goff has been average this but he's still better than wolf and it's not even close imo.

I am in total agreement, you might have missed my point. Folks are worried about Goff's thumb as a passing QB, yet have confidence in a running QB who got knocked out during his first run of the game

 

[Giles]

I am in total agreement, you might have missed my point. Folks are worried about Goff's thumb as a passing QB, yet have confidence in a running QB who got knocked out during his first run of the game

I did miss that my bad. But yes I dont get that either. If wolford becomes gun shy of scrambling and mcvay doesn't call the design runs then what's the point in starting him?

 

[JRobinson]

You can’t use excuses for wolford by citing drops by wide receivers or bad o line play or no running game and not extend the same courtesy to goff .. it’s hypocritical

Only citing those in reference to QBR.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

Wolford isn't a starting caliber QB. Perkins is a UDFA who has spent the year on the practice squad.

You may be right, in fact it’s likely. However, Warner played in an inferior football league and did well, and as a rookie won a Super Bowl. I’m NOT saying Wolford is Warner, in fact I’d bet against it, so please understand that. However, I am saying you never know. Plus, Goff having a little fire under his feet may be a good thing.

Those stories are also rare. If we want a guy who can push Goff, our best option looks to be Gardner Minshew via a trade (which is an option I actually like).

Porn ‘stache?

 

[JRobinson]

Lol wolf has still yet to lead a touchdown drive. Goff did twice with a busted thumb in a playoff game coming off the bench.

Ok.

 

[JRobinson]

Is this a serious question? Of course they need to be held to the same standard when deciding who is the better option for 1 game.
If Wolford has a lower bar, that means lower expectation. Makes no sense you say the guy with the the lower bar is the better option.
And btw, Wolford did not win the Arizona game, the defense did.

Whats the point in posing a fake question on a forum? Standard and expectation are different things my guy. Do you expect Wolford to throw for 300+ yards and 2TDs in his first career start?? LOL. No. But you hold him to the same standards when executing and making correct reads without turning the ball over. Difference.

Wolford doesn’t have a lower bar than Goff at this present moment. Of course overall Goff is better without question, but not right now.

It’s pretty clear that the defense has won the Rams many games, not just Arizona.

In the end, Goff sucks right now, before his thumb issue and even more with it. Wolford is the better start the rest of the way for me.

 

[dieterbrock]

Whats the point in posing a fake question on a forum? Standard and expectation are different things my guy. Do you expect Wolford to throw for 300+ yards and 2TDs in his first career start?? LOL. No. But you hold him to the same standards when executing and making correct reads without turning the ball over. Difference.

Wolford doesn’t have a lower bar than Goff at this present moment. Of course overall Goff is better without question, but not right now.

It’s pretty clear that the defense has won the Rams many games, not just Arizona.

In the end, Goff sucks right now, before his thumb issue and even more with it. Wolford is the better start the rest of the way for me.

Right now, Goff led the team on 2 TD drives and 20 offensive points in his last game.
Wolford led the team to 12 points in over 1 game, no TD drives and got knocked out.
Right now I don’t see how Wolford is the better option.

 

[JRobinson]

That's not helping his case either. Goff has been average this but he's still better than wolf and it's not even close imo.

Goff hasn’t even been average. He’s been terrible.
If you’re ok with throwing a statue in Goff out there with a suspect interior OLine, a beat up thumb, and a guy who has turned the ball over more than anyone in over the past two seasons... good deal. I, am not ok with that.

 

[NJRamsFan]

Maybe so. But, there was a scouting department and coaching staff that thought otherwise and voila. The Rams scouting department under Les Snead have found late round/undrafted gems at other positions. Why not not QB? It's possible

Well of course it’s possible it’s always possible. But I disagree with your assessment of there we’re coaching staffs and scouting departments that felt different and voila. That kinda insinuates those coaching staffs knew what they were getting with delhome, Garcia, and Romo when if fact they didn’t they caught lightening in a bottle and essentially hit the lottery.

Simply put, if there was a scouting department that disagreed Garcia was very unlikely to succeed why did he go undrafted?

if a coaching staff thought so highly of Tony romo why did he also go undrafted while Byron leftwitch, Rex Grossman, Dave Ragone, chris Simms, Seneca Wallace, Brian st. Pierre, Drew Henson, and even kliff kingsbury all get drafted? No one knew what they had in romo they stepped in shit and won the lottery.

Delhomme as well, if they knew what he was going to become he would have been drafted.

of course it’s possible Perkins shocks the world and becomes like the others mentioned but it is such a small percentage chance it happens and to think that him simply being on the Rams practice squad insinuates anything about how the Rams FO feels about him is off base IMO.

 

[Giles]

Goff hasn’t even been average. He’s been terrible.
If you’re ok with throwing a statue in Goff out there with a suspect interior OLine, a beat up thumb, and a guy who has turned the ball over more than anyone in over the past two seasons... good deal. I, am not ok with that.

But you're ok with a qb that doesnt lead touchdown drives? Yeah give me goff. Not gonna beat the pack kicking field goals

 

[JRobinson]

But you're ok with a qb that doesnt lead touchdown drives? Yeah give me goff. Not gonna beat the pack kicking field goals

A ball was dropped in the end zone and an Akers fumble at the one yard line. Two touchdown drives right there.

 

[Ellard80]

I see this has turned into a wolford vs goff thread lol....

All the back and forth is really just based on conjecture. Wolford is an undrafted back up QB who has played 1.1 games in his nfl career.

He could be the next kurt warner... but going with the percentages he is more likely the next kellen clemens.

It's just kind of pointless imo to argue about a QB who has such little body of evidence.