(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

[Merlin]

Re: Wolford what he gives up is the arm strength. That and the height. He's just not in Goff's neighborhood in talent and you see it on some of his throws where his ball floats a bit.

And that translates into shit like for example Wolford can't be late with certain reads. Whereas I have seen Goff throw deep outs late and get it there. That lesser room for error is the rub I think, it's what puts that limit on him.

But the thing is Wolford is smart and can be a nice system QB who can eat starts when necessary and ball a bit for you. He's got good instincts. He reads fast which is crucial with a non-elite arm. And historically this offense can work with a lesser armed signal caller. Look at Montana.

Keep saying this that it's a good thing. Goff has struggled, sure, but let's get that thumb right and then go from there.

 

[Pancake]

Wolford could also start this weekend because Goff has a busted thumb on his throwing hand and a compromised grip. But as I said previously, I don't see any argument that Wolford is better than a HEALTHY Goff based on Arizona. It was the sort of game that gets Goff criticized if he were the starting QB. It would have been very arguably Goff's fourth worst game of the year, statistically.

Well to be fair Goff is getting criticized because he's had many bad games not just one and I don't think he was criticized that much after the first bad game of his career.

 

[Loyal]

Again, neither of us know that.

But let’s be hypothetical real quick. Do you believe that McVay would straight up say, “I started John because I thought he’d give us the best chance to win.”??

Or would you be completely convinced if McVay said, “John started because Jared was not healthy enough to go.” Meaning that McVay would give us coach speak to avoid QB controversy the rest of the way....


Hope that makes sense.

We both are speaking according to personal belief. I'm sorry, but if you are saying a UDFA who's been a back up since he came from folded semi-pro league is better than the former #1 Overall Pick in the NFL AND who has led the team to the Super Bowl. I'm sorry. but I think your position is more wishful thinking than reality. You have decided that you don't like Jared Goff as our starter and are grasping at a lottery ticket which is KurtWarner2.0.

 

[Merlin]

Well to be fair Goff is getting criticized because he's had many bad games not just one and I don't think he was criticized that much after the first bad game of his career.

I forgot what I just quoted above because your avatar image is mesmerizing... Purple haze?

 

[JRobinson]

I don't hold them to the same standard because I believe Goff is easily the better player when healthy. You believe Wolford is a better option than healthy Goff. I'm asking why you don't hold them to the same standard. You can't very well tell me Wolford is a better option and then simultaneously say that we shouldn't be as hard on him as we are on Goff because he doesn't have experience. You are contradicting yourself.

On what grounds could you possibly hold them to the same standard?! Wolford has played ONE That’s not contradictory, those are simply facts. Goff has a higher expectation because he has more experience. How can you not take that into consideration when assessing two guys when it comes to “expectation”?

What do my eyes tell me? Jared Goff is the better QB. He sees the field better, he's more accurate, he has a stronger arm, and he processes things more quickly.

Then why are his numbers the way that they are? Why so many turnovers? That’s even with throwing the ball only 10 yards or shorter ALL season.

Goff also beat Arizona. In doing so, he completed nearly 80% of his passes, threw for over 350 yards, scored 2 TDs, led the Rams offense to 31 points, and posted a passer rating of over 100. I couldn't care less about evading pressure or converting off-schedule plays in the abstract. I want the better QB. In the NFL, unless you're a special athlete, the vast, vast majority of your plays are going to occur within the structure of the offense. Jared Goff is a far superior QB within the structure of the offense.

Sure. Agreed. He was playing well that game. I also agree in full that he’s the superior QB to Wolford. But right now, when it matters most, and how the OLine is giving up pressure to the middle, Goff is not the superior QB. He’s not better than Wolford at his current state.

 

[jrry32]

Well to be fair Goff is getting criticized because he's had many bad games not just one and I don't think he was criticized that much after the first bad game of his career.

That's not the point. I didn't criticize Wolford after the game. I didn't have unrealistic expectations. But people are now saying he's better than the starting QB who has been to two Pro Bowls, led us to the Super Bowl, won 40+ games over the past four years, and played 74 games in his career. If you're going to tell me that Wolford is a better option than Goff, you better not tell me in the same breath that it's unfair to hold Wolford to Goff's expectations. Those two claims are incompatible.

 

[JRobinson]

Nice

That dude goes on ignore

You put someone on ignore just because their opinion differs from yours? Character guy.

 

[Picked4td]

if goff is actually upset about not starting and it is an issue moving forward, thats pretty selfish imo. Theres no way the teams best chance at winning was playing a qb 12 days removed from thumb surgery on his throwing hand, and was bothered enough by it that he couldnt even high five ppl with his right hand. The injury is no joke and it clearly effected him as expected, and one bad hit to the hand/thumb could knock him out for the game and then we throwing in a backup that has taken little to no 1st team reps all year

 

[jrry32]

On what grounds could you possibly hold them to the same standard?! Wolford has played ONE That’s not contradictory, those are simply facts. Goff has a higher expectation because he has more experience. How can you not take that into consideration when assessing two guys when it comes to “expectation”?

I'm going to say this for the last time. I AM NOT HOLDING WOLFORD TO THE SAME STANDARD AS GOFF, BECAUSE I THINK HE IS A LESSER PLAYER. You are the person telling me that Wolford is a better option than healthy Goff. You are the person who should be holding him to the same standard as Goff. The fact that you won't do so is strong evidence that you don't actually consider him Goff's equal or superior.

Then why are his numbers the way that they are? Why so many turnovers? That’s even with throwing the ball only 10 yards or shorter ALL season.

You're shitting on Goff's stats, which are better than Wolford's stats. You see why I think it's ridiculous that you keep trying to tell me that Wolford is a better option than healthy Goff, right?

 

[JRobinson]

We both are speaking according to personal belief. I'm sorry, but if you are saying a UDFA who's been a back up since he came from folded semi-pro league is better than the former #1 Overall Pick in the NFL AND who has led the team to the Super Bowl. I'm sorry. but I think your position is more wishful thinking than reality. You have decided that you don't like Jared Goff as our starter and are grasping at a lottery ticket which is KurtWarner2.0.

that’s not what I’m saying my man. I’m simply saying that in this current situation, the current play of the OLine, Wolford is the better play. Not next season, or shortly thereafter.... right now.

 

[SteezyEndo]

He's got good instincts. He reads fast which is crucial with a non-elite arm.

I will most definitely give him that. He does read plays well and calls the correct audibles for that particular read. As I watch the seahawks replay game again I do notice how Wolford gets our running game going. He is another threat on the field that gets the D guessing. Opponents expect Goff to stay statue in the pocket. Which is why McVay needs a more roll out playbook for Goff. Atleast just until we can the great wall of china to block for him.

 

[jrry32]

that’s not what I’m saying my man. I’m simply saying that in this current situation, the current play of the OLine, Wolford is the better play. Not next season, or shortly thereafter.... right now.

If that's the case, I apologize. It's not as unreasonable of an opinion. I still disagree, though, because I think Whitworth being back transforms the OL.

 

[JRobinson]

I'm going to say this for the last time. I AM NOT HOLDING WOLFORD TO THE SAME STANDARD AS GOFF, BECAUSE I THINK HE IS A LESSER PLAYER. You are the person telling me that Wolford is a better option than healthy Goff. You are the person who should be holding him to the same standard as Goff. The fact that you won't do so is strong evidence that you don't actually consider him Goff's equal or superior.



You're shitting on Goff's stats, which are better than Wolford's stats. You see why I think it's ridiculous that you keep trying to tell me that Wolford is a better option than healthy Goff, right?

Wolford right now is Goff’s superior or equal. Goff sucks right now. Agree or disagree?

Goff’s track record as of late is atrocious. I understand your position, and respect it.

I’m more confident in Wolford’s ability than I am in Goff’s ability for the rest of 2020-2021 season.

 

[Merlin]

I will most definitely give him that. He does read plays well and calls the correct audibles for that particular read. As I watch the seahawks replay game again I do notice how Wolford gets our running game going. He is another threat on the field that gets the D guessing. Opponents expect Goff to stay statue in the pocket. Which is why McVay needs a more roll out playbook for Goff. Atleast just until we can the great wall of china to block for him.

Pretty much. And I think McVay is the type of guy who will grab any advantage when he sees it. Once Goff is fully healthy we may well see him starting with Wolford packages like the Saints do.

Fans hate this kind of shit with their QBs but other teams do too. Packers would prefer not to practice read option but I guarantee they are practicing it this week.

 

[JRobinson]

If that's the case, I apologize. It's not as unreasonable of an opinion. I still disagree, though, because I think Whitworth being back transforms the OL.

Apology accepted. I don’t know how my point was not understood. Much respect homie.

 

[jrry32]

Wolford right now is Goff’s superior or equal. Goff sucks right now. Agree or disagree?

Goff’s track record as of late is atrocious. I understand your position, and respect it.

I’m more confident in Wolford’s ability than I am in Goff’s ability for the rest of 2020-2021 season.

If we're talking about a healthy Jared Goff, I disagree.

 

[Loyal]

that’s not what I’m saying my man. I’m simply saying that in this current situation, the current play of the OLine, Wolford is the better play. Not next season, or shortly thereafter.... right now.

We are saying the same thing from different ends.

But there are many Wolford-ites who are talking about a permanent replacement for Goff. I had one guy in the GDT thread say that Goff's performance in the Wild Card game pushed him over the edge of wanting to dump Goff, which is insane. I told him that he was being unreasonable due the thumb surgery just a few days before and then he went on to say that his opinion was formed from when Goff was healthy, but he didn't say that until I called him on his being unreasonable. We will see how Wolford performs and how these people react either way. Either Wolford does well (if he starts), which we all hope or he shits the bed due to the moment being too big for him. Either way, I bet many who are calling for Wolford now will still be calling for Goffs replacement no matter what happens after the season...

 

[Classic Rams]

I don't want to be down 14-0 for the coaches to go oops we started the wrong guy. I don't know who should start, heck both have strengths and weaknesses. Cold weather bad for the thumb? Start Wolf.

 

[IBruce80]

It all hinges on goff's thumb.
Wolford got the nod due to Goff's injury. Then, Goff had to come on ready or not to replace Wolford.
McVay had to make massive adjustments for the Seattle game and Goff had to come in cold, even more so not being 100%.

Goff deserves a lot of praise.

Goff's struggles for me are the absence of Gurley, the real workhorse on the team that demanded the spotlight, which took the pressure off Goff.
The OL.
And another receiver.

A lot to be worked out but i have faith in Goff.

 

[JRobinson]

We are saying the same thing from different ends.

But there are many Wolford-ites who are talking about a permanent replacement for Goff. I had one guy in the GDT thread say that Goff's performance in the Wild Card game pushed him over the edge of wanting to dump Goff, which is insane. I told him that he was being unreasonable due the thumb surgery just a few days before and then he went on to say that his opinion was formed from when Goff was healthy, but he didn't say that until I called him on his being unreasonable. We will see how Wolford performs and how these people react either way. Either Wolford does well (if he starts), which we all hope or he shits the bed due to the moment being too big for him. Either way, I bet many who are calling for Wolford now will still be calling for Goffs replacement no matter what happens after the season...

I would never even think of Wolford as a permanent replacement for Goff. Now that’s ridiculous. My last posts with Jerry and the other dude were simply for this moment in time.

When Goff is right, and has time without a hand in his face... he’s a stud. But right now... even before the injury, he hasn’t been right in quite a while.