(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

[jrry32]

We also don’t know the extent of Wolford’s injury. Aside from that he’s day to day with a singer and practiced today.

Agreed. We don't know the extent of Wolford's or Goff's injury. Without knowing either, I'm not sure how anybody can say with certainty who the better option is.

If you’re taking a healthy Goff over Wolford, great. I’m not. Simple as that. And the fact that you feel confident moving into the playoffs with how Goff is playing at the moment (and has the majority of the season) is beyond me.... he’s been bad. That doesn’t mean he’s not a big part of the future. But again, right now? Not good.

You just said you're holding Wolford to a lower standard than Goff. That's why I'm baffled here. You're telling me Wolford is a better option, but you're also telling me it's not fair to have the same expectations for him that we do for Goff. Those ideas conflict. Hell, Goff's passer rating on the season is 90.0. Wolford's passer rating against Arizona was 64.7. So yeah, I think Goff's play this year, particularly over the second half of the year, hasn't been up to par. But it was better than Wolford's play against Arizona. And that's why I consider Goff to be the better option, if both are healthy. Of course, both are not healthy. So I have no idea which guy is the better option due to the health questions.

 

[jrry32]

In this present time, based on Arizona, Wolford is better than Goff; yes. And if McVay agrees with me, Wolford starts this weekend.

Wolford could also start this weekend because Goff has a busted thumb on his throwing hand and a compromised grip. But as I said previously, I don't see any argument that Wolford is better than a HEALTHY Goff based on Arizona. It was the sort of game that gets Goff criticized if he were the starting QB. It would have been very arguably Goff's fourth worst game of the year, statistically.

 

[Loyal]

In this present time, based on Arizona, Wolford is better than Goff; yes. And if McVay agrees with me, Wolford starts this weekend.

If that determination is true, then it's subject to change. A 50% capable Jared Goff is maybe less capable than a 100% Wolford at this moment. But if that percentage of capability increases dramatically for Jared, Wolfy will be riding the pine.

 

[JRobinson]

Agreed. We don't know the extent of Wolford's or Goff's injury. Without knowing either, I'm not sure how anybody can say with certainty who the better option is.



You just said you're holding Wolford to a lower standard than Goff. That's why I'm baffled here. You're telling me Wolford is a better option, but you're also telling me it's not fair to have the same expectations for him that we do for Goff. Those ideas conflict. Hell, Goff's passer rating on the season is 90.0. Wolford's passer rating against Arizona was 64.7. So yeah, I think Goff's play this year, particularly over the second half of the year, hasn't been up to par. But it was better than Wolford's play against Arizona. And that's why I consider Goff to be the better option, if both are healthy. Of course, both are not healthy. So I have no idea which guy is the better option due to the health questions.

How can you hold them to the same standard when one guy has 4+ years of experience over the other? That same guy has first unit reps every day to develop chemistry? Come on dude, one career start to 5 seasons..... jeez.

Wolford is the better option if he’s healthy enough to play. I don’t give a rip about QBR. What do your eyes tell you? Wolford can move and manipulate the pocket, run through reads, and took more shots downfield in one game than Goff did the entire season.

 

[JRobinson]

I just see a fundamental disagreement between us dude and rather than argue back and forth let’s just be brothers in the team we support

This isn’t personal if that’s what you’re implying.


Where do you stand and why?

 

[Corbin]

Another Goff and Wolford thread... can’t we have these just in one thread?

 

[JRobinson]

Wolford could also start this weekend because Goff has a busted thumb on his throwing hand and a compromised grip. But as I said previously, I don't see any argument that Wolford is better than a HEALTHY Goff based on Arizona. It was the sort of game that gets Goff criticized if he were the starting QB. It would have been very arguably Goff's fourth worst game of the year, statistically.

Did Wolford beat Arizona? Yes. Did Wolford drop a pass on the endzone? No. Did he fumble at the 1? No. That “QBR” you reference looks a lot different if even one reception in the end zone is completed. Not to mention evading pressure and converting “off scheduled” plays. Goff can’t touch Wolford in eirher of those categories.... not this season, not this current week.

 

[NJRamsFan]

This isn’t personal if that’s what you’re implying.


Where do you stand and why?

I don’t think you understand where the burden of proof lies when you make a claim. For example You say it’s “purely speculation that Wolford doesn’t sniff the field with a healthy Goff” but Wolford never sniffed the field until Goff got hurt. If you would like to contradict those facts...the burden of proof is on you and an opinion will just not do (I know I rhymed)

 

[AvengerRam]

I’ll say this for Silver...he knows what buttons to push to get the attention of this fan base.

 

[JRobinson]

If that determination is true, then it's subject to change. A 50% capable Jared Goff is maybe less capable than a 100% Wolford at this moment. But if that percentage of capability increases dramatically for Jared, Wolfy will be riding the pine.

Again, neither of us know that.

But let’s be hypothetical real quick. Do you believe that McVay would straight up say, “I started John because I thought he’d give us the best chance to win.”??

Or would you be completely convinced if McVay said, “John started because Jared was not healthy enough to go.” Meaning that McVay would give us coach speak to avoid QB controversy the rest of the way....


Hope that makes sense.

 

[JRobinson]

I don’t think you understand where the burden of proof lies when you make a claim. For example You say it’s “purely speculation that Wolford doesn’t sniff the field with a healthy Goff” but Wolford never sniffed the field until Goff got hurt. If you would like to contradict those facts...the burden of proof is on you and an opinion will just not do (I know I rhymed)

So you’re telling me there’s no way McVay goes to Wolford over a 100% healthy Goff based on his play? Who’s to say he wouldn’t have started against Arizona with Goff healthy? Sure, we should easily assume Goff starts... obviously. But this offense has been stale for a while now and that’s greatly due to Goff’s poor decisions. Could it perhaps be true that a change at QB could have been made against Arizona?


I’m still wondering where you stand and why.

 

[NJRamsFan]

So you’re telling me there’s no way McVay goes to Wolford over a 100% healthy Goff based on his play? Who’s to say he wouldn’t have started against Arizona with Goff healthy?

No I’m telling you this is your burden of proof to assume. You want to make this point so make it. You can’t just ask me do I think it’s impossible and pretend you made a point

 

[ReekofRams]

So you’re telling me there’s no way McVay goes to Wolford over a 100% healthy Goff based on his play? Who’s to say he wouldn’t have started against Arizona with Goff healthy? Sure, we should easily assume Goff starts... obviously. But this offense has been stale for a while now and that’s greatly due to Goff’s poor decisions. Could it perhaps be true that a change at QB could have been made against Arizona?


I’m still wondering where you stand and why.

Goff’s worst game wasn’t as bad as Wofford’s game against Arizona, and if Goff was playing that bad he would’ve been pulled.
They only went as long as they did with Wofford because Jared was unable to play. That is the only reason period. Or by your reasoning they would’ve went with Wofford before Goff got injured.

 

[NJRamsFan]

No I’m telling you this is your burden of proof to assume. You want to make this point so make it. You can’t just ask me do I think it’s impossible and pretend you made a point

Actually.. enjoy your night dude . This is a dumb argument. You win @JRobinson

 

[JRobinson]

No I’m telling you this is your burden of proof to assume. You want to make this point so make it. You can’t just ask me do I think it’s impossible and pretend you made a point

Well you’re just confusing me now with all this “burden of proof” talk. My point is simple: Without assumption, Wolford is better than Goff right now.

 

[jrry32]

How can you hold them to the same standard when one guy has 4+ years of experience over the other? That same guy has first unit reps every day to develop chemistry? Come on dude, one career start to 5 seasons..... jeez.

Wolford is the better option if he’s healthy enough to play. I don’t give a rip about QBR. What do your eyes tell you? Wolford can move and manipulate the pocket, run through reads, and took more shots downfield in one game than Goff did the entire season.

I don't hold them to the same standard because I believe Goff is easily the better player when healthy. You believe Wolford is a better option than healthy Goff. I'm asking why you don't hold them to the same standard. You can't very well tell me Wolford is a better option and then simultaneously say that we shouldn't be as hard on him as we are on Goff because he doesn't have experience. You are contradicting yourself.

What do my eyes tell me? Jared Goff is the better QB. He sees the field better, he's more accurate, he has a stronger arm, and he processes things more quickly.

Did Wolford beat Arizona? Yes. Did Wolford drop a pass on the endzone? No. Did he fumble at the 1? No. That “QBR” you reference looks a lot different if even one reception in the end zone is completed. Not to mention evading pressure and converting “off scheduled” plays. Goff can’t touch Wolford in eirher of those categories.... not this season, not this current week.

Goff also beat Arizona. In doing so, he completed nearly 80% of his passes, threw for over 350 yards, scored 2 TDs, led the Rams offense to 31 points, and posted a passer rating of over 100. I couldn't care less about evading pressure or converting off-schedule plays in the abstract. I want the better QB. In the NFL, unless you're a special athlete, the vast, vast majority of your plays are going to occur within the structure of the offense. Jared Goff is a far superior QB within the structure of the offense.

 

[JRobinson]

Goff’s worst game wasn’t as bad as Wofford’s game against Arizona, and if Goff was playing that bad he would’ve been pulled.

Are you rolling with Goff or Wolford if both are healthy to play? And of course..... why?

 

[NJRamsFan]

Well you’re just confusing me now with all this “burden of proof” talk. My point is simple: Without assumption, Wolford is better than Goff right now.

Goodnight

 

[Ramlock]

I don't hold them to the same standard because I believe Goff is easily the better player when healthy. You believe Wolford is a better option than healthy Goff. I'm asking why you don't hold them to the same standard. You can't very well tell me Wolford is a better option and then simultaneously say that we shouldn't be as hard on him as we are on Goff because he doesn't have experience. You are contradicting yourself.

What do my eyes tell me? Jared Goff is the better QB. He sees the field better, he's more accurate, he has a stronger arm, and he processes things more quickly.



Goff also beat Arizona. In doing so, he completed nearly 80% of his passes, threw for over 350 yards, scored 2 TDs, led the Rams offense to 31 points, and posted a passer rating over 100. I couldn't care less about evading pressure or converting off-schedule plays. I want the better QB. In the NFL, unless you're a special athlete, the vast, vast majority of your plays are going to occur within the structure of the offense. Jared Goff is a far superior QB within the structure of the offense.

Nice

That dude goes on ignore

 

[NJRamsFan]

Nice

That dude goes on ignore

You know I tried to avoid it but...same