(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

[Memphis Ram]

With respect, Memphis, do you remember what happened in Washington with RGIII and McVay? They gave RGIII a chance to start in 2014, and he could not execute the scheme effectively. He struggled so much that they had him playing scout team safety in 2015 and didn't give him a single snap at QB. I don't think McVay is interested in a running QB. He wants a QB who can execute his scheme. Mobility is a plus, but it's not what will make or break a QB in this scheme.

Nobody is saying it's not possible. We're saying it's not PROBABLE. You don't dump a QB who can execute the system and win games to bet on a lottery ticket. And if they had seen Perkins in practice and thought him to be a stud right now, why bring in Bortles over him? At minimum, they don't see Perkins as ready to play significant stats right now.

I remember that after the 2013 season it was RGIII that wanted to change the offense. And he struggled with that change.

And I remember this quote in discussing the backup QB situation after Josh Love was released.

McVay was asked whether Perkins’ mobility played a role in the decision to cut Love over him, and it’s clear that was a factor.

“Yeah, I think so. Bryce has done a nice job,” McVay said. “He’s earned the right to be able to get a couple more reps and for us to evaluate him. But, certainly, anytime that you can create off-schedule and be able to do some things that aren’t within the design of the play is a very good quality you like from QBs and John certainly has that.”

QB Bryce Perkins' mobility has earned him a longer look from the Rams

Sean McVay likes Bryce Perkins’ athleticism and mobility, which has earned him a longer look in camp.

theramswire.usatoday.com

Seems he's been high on Wolford for some time now.

Anyway, this tell me, he wants mobility, too. And it was probably that Super Bowl loss that really opened his eyes. Plays called defensed and he didn't have a QB that could do anything off script and he was embarrassed.

Finally, they would be crazy not to bring in a veteran QB during a playoff run vs. starting a rookie QB who hasn't even taken a pre-season snap yet. But, notice they didn't bring in another statue. Bortles not only knows the offense. Bortles can move, too.

 

[Selassie I]

The ONLY "trouble" is Goff's thumb. Without that surgically repaired thumb with 3 pins in it... Wolfman would have never sniffed the field. Period.

I heard comments from people who were able to watch Goff last week in practice before the game. They mentioned this during the telecast too. What was seen from Goff during those practices... apparently, Goff would have 3 or 4 great passes... but 1 out of every 4th or 5th pass would be a wobbler. Obviously this was caused by the thumb that was surgically repaired 12 days before the game.

Goff's grip on the ball was hindered last week. That is the only reason Wolfman started. That's it. Had Goff's grip been back to normal... Wolfman wouldn't even have been considered.

I give Goff some Big Ups for gutting that game out and playing QB with 3 pins in his surgically repaired finger. A surgery that happened just 12 days before the game. Despite all of that, Goff was able to lead our Bois to a playoff win on the road against a Division opponent. That's badass shit right there... somebody tell me about another QB to do that kind of thing. If they did... it's legendary for sure.

 

[OldSchool]

I was certainly not criticizing Goff for how he handled this. Just saying "toughen up and win your job back kid."

That's implying he ever lost his job, isn't the old saying you don't lose your job to injury?

 

[NJRamsFan]

I give Goff some Big Ups for gutting that game out and playing QB with 3 pins in his surgically repaired finger. A surgery that happened just 12 days before the game. Despite all of that, Goff was able to lead our Bois to a playoff win on the road against a Division opponent. That's badass shit right there... somebody tell me about another QB to do that kind of thing. If they did... it's legendary for sure.

THIS right here...seems to be so overlooked its crazy. Especially in favor of John ive never really done anything wolford.

 

[Faceplant]

Yall also have to remember that Silver is a Jeff Fisher hump too.... Soooo...

 

[dang]

It’s opposite year. The Rams defense is the high octane, intimidating, game changing group. Crush, kill, destroy and carry the team to victory. The Rams offense is the group that’s needs to bend not break and keep them in the game. Control the clock, don’t turnover the ball and take advantage of any mistake the opposition offers. As far as QB - it’s whomever gives the offense the best chance to meet the offensive objectives for this year.

 

[jrry32]

But it’s not a tough situation, which is why Wolford started against Seattle.

The situation has played its hand: Goff has sucked, weather that be the OLine (agreed), the play calling, or Goff’s regression (I’m in this camp), he has been bad for the majority of this season. Wolford comes in and shows a different dynamic while being consistent in one game. Who gives you the best chance to win right this moment? It’s Wolford. That’s not even talking about the thumb issue.

JMO.

I really wish Goff was held to the same standard of "consistency." Had Goff played a game against Arizona like the one Wolford played, he would have gotten shat on relentlessly for his performance. If Goff was 100% healthy, Wolford never sniffs the field. There is zero chance that Wolford is a better option than a healthy Goff right now. It's a preposterous claim. But we don't have a healthy Goff.

I remember that after the 2013 season it was RGIII that wanted to change the offense. And he struggled with that change.

And I remember this quote in discussing the backup QB situation after Josh Love was released.

McVay was asked whether Perkins’ mobility played a role in the decision to cut Love over him, and it’s clear that was a factor.

“Yeah, I think so. Bryce has done a nice job,” McVay said. “He’s earned the right to be able to get a couple more reps and for us to evaluate him. But, certainly, anytime that you can create off-schedule and be able to do some things that aren’t within the design of the play is a very good quality you like from QBs and John certainly has that.”

QB Bryce Perkins' mobility has earned him a longer look from the Rams

Sean McVay likes Bryce Perkins’ athleticism and mobility, which has earned him a longer look in camp.

theramswire.usatoday.com

Seems he's been high on Wolford for some time now.

Anyway, this tell me, he wants mobility, too. And it was probably that Super Bowl loss that really opened his eyes. Plays called defensed and he didn't have a QB that could do anything off script and he was embarrassed.

Finally, they would be crazy not to bring in a veteran QB during a playoff run vs. starting a rookie QB who hasn't even taken a pre-season snap yet. But, notice they didn't bring in another statue. Bortles not only knows the offense. Bortles can move, too.

Every coach is going to choose mobility over no mobility, all else equal. But all else isn't equal. If they saw Perkins as a potential starter next year, he wouldn't have been supplanted by Bortles. Maybe Perkins develops into that at some point, but he's not anywhere near that point right now. How do I know? Because we signed Bortles.

 

[majrleaged]

This was my thing. You think he's healthy enough to dress but not healthy enough to start? Your "starting qb"? That has to be tough on goff.

I really don't think anything between the coach and QB is that serious. Coach has to look at the big picture and the QB wants to play and help his team. He thinks he is the best chance for the team. He is supposed to. Just like he is supposed to get mad if they don't let him. This relationship between the coach and player has been strong. I bet there are disagreements other times as well. Goff isn't an idiot who only thinks of himself. He is a team player. It hurt him not to play but he was a good team mate and did his job as the coach asked him to. He will do it again if asked.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Every coach is going to choose mobility over no mobility, all else equal. But all else isn't equal. If they saw Perkins as a potential starter next year, he wouldn't have been supplanted by Bortles. Maybe Perkins develops into that at some point, but he's not anywhere near that point right now. How do I know? Because we signed Bortles.

But, no one said that Perkins is ready right now. And no one really said he was a potential starter next year. Sure, it's possible. But, probably not very likely as I doubt he'd be given a fair shot. But, even if they did see him that way, there is no coach in his right mind that would put him right in the middle of a playoff run over a veteran.

 

[Merlin]

That's implying he ever lost his job, isn't the old saying you don't lose your job to injury?

Yes fair point. How about... Undoing the lack of confidence through play on the field.

I am confident Goff can lead us to a final run but I don't want him out there until that thing feels good. So my preference is start Wolford and try to ensure Goff is healthy for New Orleans. IMO you get the best mix of positives that way.

 

[jrry32]

But, no one said that Perkins is ready right now. And no one really said he was a potential starter next year. Sure, it's possible. But, probably not very likely as I doubt he'd be given a fair shot. But, even if they did see him that way, there is no coach in his right mind that would put him right in the middle of a playoff run over a veteran.

If you think Perkins is good enough to start over Jared Goff next year, you have zero issue making him your backup over a veteran QB who couldn't even stick on a NFL roster this year. C'mon, dude.

 

[OldSchool]

Yes fair point. How about... Undoing the lack of confidence through play on the field.

I am confident Goff can lead us to a final run but I don't want him out there until that thing feels good. So my preference is start Wolford and try to ensure Goff is healthy for New Orleans. IMO you get the best mix of positives that way.

Who's confidence? Yours? McVay talked about being more consistent but has never threatened or hinted at benching. As for you me and everybody else Jared cares more about how he's playing and what his coaches feel. He'd like it if he was universally loved but I'd wager he could live without a message boards unanimous support. He's our QB and if he hadn't broken his thumb Wolford never would have seen the field except random mop up duty. Seems that's been said a few thousand times the last couple weeks.

 

[Ellard80]

This thread got so long lol....

lets me say this.. really none of us.. including silver really know goff and mcvays relationship.

That's what makes this so funny. It;s all inferencing based off little info.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Did you see McVays media session from yesterday? He alludes to difficult discussions with Goff going on...To Goff being unhappy about not starting in SEA. This media session was yesterday, before Silver's report which came out today:

McVay: "We always make sure we're communicating with them (the QBs), and make the best decisions for the team accordingly. And sometimes those things are good for everybody, but you cant always accommodate everybody.... that's what my job is, and I'm going to be clear, honest and upfront about it...............Its just clearly communicating the thought process, and how you come to decisions, and where you're at with how those decisions are being made, to try and create a clear understanding. And sometimes those things might be agreed on, sometimes they might not be. But that's the responsibility you have (as a head coach)."

Of course, no one wants to believe it, but I'm watching these interviews and listening to McVay and watching his body language and it sure seems to me that he wants to start Wolford over Goff. And Goff's thumb injury gave him the excuse to make the change.

And now Wolford's stringer may have killed that as they can last 48 hours or up to a couple weeks from what I've read.

 

[Merlin]

Who's confidence? Yours? McVay talked about being more consistent but has never threatened or hinted at benching. As for you me and everybody else Jared cares more about how he's playing and what his coaches feel. He'd like it if he was universally loved but I'd wager he could live without a message boards unanimous support. He's our QB and if he hadn't broken his thumb Wolford never would have seen the field except random mop up duty. Seems that's been said a few thousand times the last couple weeks.

Ok OS stay with me here. The conversation was that I believe Silver's comments. So it follows that I feel he is in a place where he wins back McVay's confidence. And I know... You disagree. It's all good man.

 

[SteezyEndo]

This thread got so long lol....

lets me say this.. really none of us.. including silver really know goff and mcvays relationship.

That's what makes this so funny. It;s all inferencing based off little info.

Conjecture...

 

[jrry32]

Of course, no one wants to believe it, but I'm watching these interviews and listening to McVay and watching his body language and it sure seems to me that he wants to start Wolford over Goff. And Goff's thumb injury gave him the excuse to make the change.

And now Wolford's stringer may have killed that as they can last 48 hours or up to a couple weeks from what I've read.

Yeah, and by looking into McVay's eyes, I can tell that McVay thinks Jared Goff is a top 5 QB in the NFL.

 

[OldSchool]

One thing that keeps getting brought here is just amazing to me. In fact several times in preseason and camp I'd cite McVay complimenting players and thinking that meant he liked them in spite of what others around here felt about them. I was told it was just coach speak. Now because it's somebody who people feel compete against or could upgrade from Goff all of a sudden McVays thoughts on a player carry amazing weight. Funny how the tables have turned

 

[Memphis Ram]

If you think Perkins is good enough to start over Jared Goff next year, you have zero issue making him your backup over a veteran QB who couldn't even stick on a NFL roster this year. C'mon, dude.

Are you kidding me? This type of change doesn't occur in season in the middle of a playoff run. That's crazy. You got to stay as close to the current offense as possible for the rest of the team. And the veteran who probably knows the offense and has experience is by far a better option.

 

[OldSchool]

Ok OS stay with me here. The conversation was that I believe Silver's comments. So it follows that I feel he is in a place where he wins back McVay's confidence. And I know... You disagree. It's all good man.

I get what you're saying, what I disagree with is that he ever lost McVay's confidence which is a major difference.