(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

[Loyal]

Goff was tough as hell when he played, but the thing some of you are forgetting is the healing process. From what I heard in the last week or two is that Goffs repaired thumb would improve on a weekly basis. Don't count him out if the coaches see that instead of every 4th throw he throws a duck, it becomes every 8th throw is off kilter. I really like Wolfy and do think he has an interesting skill set (professional poster speak) but the pressure will only increase for him. I also worry about the very thing that makes him valuable which is his mobility. This isn't college or the AAF and when a mobile QB less than 6ft tall dives head first for a first down, bad things are going to happen. In the Cardinal's start, he ran like he was indestructible. Maybe he will be a better QB after getting hurt? I hope so. I'd start Wolfy for another week and let Jared's hand heal for two weeks and then start him at the Super Dome.

 

[Giles]

This is a real concern. I had a post about Goff being pissed off, and McVay risking blowing up their relationship, last night before I saw or heard anything from Silver.

"Goff is already pissed off about the deal from last week and having to play games with the press. Goff being somewhat pissed off will concentrate his attention, but imo a full scale conflict with McVay would not be a good thing on any level. If you don't trust your high paid starting qb in the playoffs, you better be prepared for the consequences."

It's not a breakdown yet but McVay needs to handle this better. Sending Goff out to lie to the press, for tactical advantage, and when McVay had already decided to start Wolford, was stupid and demeaning. His omission to state that Goff would start as soon as his thumb was really ok was equally notable. McVay is better than this.

As for running Goff out of town, imo it would blow up the renewed chance of a championship and send the Rams back into quarterback hell. It's like kickers-- it's much, much easier to get rid of a good qb than to find a capable replacement.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Ramlock]

Not to the extent of Kurt Warner's success. But, a Jake Delhomme, Jeff Garcia, Tony Romo type of story with a strong defense might win as many titles if the ball bounces the team's way.

A defense that may be able to be kept together if they can move Goff's contract.

Check me if I'm wrong here, but Delhomme, Garcia and Romo didn't win any titles.

 

[The Ramowl]

No way in my mind we part ways with Jared Goff at the end of the season.

Now I've always been a Goff supporter. I think he has always been underrated because he doesn't make those crazy off script plays throwing diagonally while jumping side ways between two refs and an assistant coach for 55 yards. But when the offensive unit gels, he is clockwork and has ice in his veins. I think he is a good match with McVay because McVay has the ability to create that setting.
Now, he hasn't been playing good football for a while and I think he needs some competition. Of course he is angry if he doesn't start, he's a competitor. You don't get drafted #1 overall, to a SB an 2 probowls if you're not a hardcore competitor.
Be angry Jared, show it on the field next time you get there, play clean, make the other guys pay, you'll get your position back real quick.


I think Wolford gives us a better chance in Green Bay, injured thumb and freezing temps are not a good match (and Goff has a bad record of playing in freezing temps, 0-2, 0 TD - 5 INTS). Plus we'll have to win that one on the ground, I like a running QB, that'll be a pain in the ass for GB, extend plays, extend drives, keep the ball away from Rodgers, etc.

 

[blackbart]

Goff hasn’t been right since the Miami game. He still has a lot of room to improve his game even before that game. He needs to look at how his fellow Cal alum throws the deep ball.

Right now if he doesn’t get the start it is because of the injury not because he is being replaced by Wolford.

This off season Goff needs to work on his game. If that means finding a QB coach with his own money, go do it. Investing in your career is not a rarity and he needs help.

Covid screwed a lot of people and businesses up. The NFL isn’t the only industry that needs to adjust.

Fuck Silver

 

[Merlin]

This is a real concern. I had a post about Goff being pissed off, and McVay risking blowing up their relationship, last night before I saw or heard anything from Silver.

"Goff is already pissed off about the deal from last week and having to play games with the press. Goff being somewhat pissed off will concentrate his attention, but imo a full scale conflict with McVay would not be a good thing on any level. If you don't trust your high paid starting qb in the playoffs, you better be prepared for the consequences."

It's not a breakdown yet but McVay needs to handle this better. Sending Goff out to lie to the press, for tactical advantage, and when McVay had already decided to start Wolford, was stupid and demeaning. His omission to state that Goff would start as soon as his thumb was really ok was equally notable. McVay is better than this.

As for running Goff out of town, imo it would blow up the renewed chance of a championship and send the Rams back into quarterback hell. It's like kickers-- it's much, much easier to get rid of a good qb than to find a capable replacement.

Goff's gonna have to get past all that shit. It's a different conversation if the dude was lighting everyone up, but he's been a bottom third QB this year. Even though we all understand why that happened, Goff isn't in a position to act like he's Aaron Rodgers here.

And I don't think it's in his best interest here to make a stink even if it's about, say, McVay sitting him.

 

[Boston Ram]

I disagree, Boston. They're not going to rely on the players saying they're healthy. Both Akers and Ramsey missed games this year. Kupp has been held out of games in the past. The team doesn't care what a player says. Goff was injured. We could all see it against the Seahawks. It's the team's job to look out for the players, not take their word for it.

And yes, there are plenty of other QBs who would be sitting in Goff's circumstances. Drew Brees is the perfect example of that. Drew Brees hit his hand on Aaron Donald's helmet last year, had thumb surgery, and then missed five games. I don't doubt that Drew was lobbying to play before the Saints let him return. That's what competitors do.

EDIT: Just to make a point, do you remember Cooper Kupp hobbling around against Denver with a knee injury in 2018 trying to play? We ended up sitting him down and forcing him to miss the next two games. Do you remember Cam running against the Jets on his bum ankle? We forced him to sit out the Seahawks game the next week.

You may have missed my point. This was a playoff game. If it was a regular season game it’s not a conversation of course Goff is not playing. All your examples are not win or go home scenarios. Also Brees was a different injury.

All I’m saying is I would not dismiss anything at this point. Goff not starting to a guy who had 1 career start is a talking point.

All that said, I have no doubt McVay and Goff can work through this.
may have missed my point. This was a playoff game.

 

[NJRamsFan]

Why dress him? Healthy enough to back up but not start? I don’t know the answer, but it does make me wonder a little.

It was a question to your statement not an opportunity to address goff more. Do you think Aaron Donald could tell the coach he can start coming off of surgery 12 days prior? I certainly hope not id be pissed at McVay

 

[Giles]

Why dress him? Healthy enough to back up but not start? I don’t know the answer, but it does make me wonder a little.

This was my thing. You think he's healthy enough to dress but not healthy enough to start? Your "starting qb"? That has to be tough on goff.

 

[NJRamsFan]

Not to the extent of Kurt Warner's success. But, a Jake Delhomme, Jeff Garcia, Tony Romo type of story with a strong defense might win as many titles if the ball bounces the team's way.

A defense that may be able to be kept together if they can move Goff's contract.

Even the qbs you mentioned are memorable because they defy the odds....they werent supposed to be good and 9.9999 times out of 10 they arent.

 

[Boston Ram]

It was a question to your statement not an opportunity to address goff more. Do you think Aaron Donald could tell the coach he can start coming off of surgery? I certainly hope not id be pissed at McVay

sorry for the mix up then. To answer the Donald question. If doctors cleared him, then yes. He would start if he told McVay he wanted to start. You really think he wouldn’t start?

 

[SteezyEndo]

More unnecessary scuttlebutt for the week? I am not going to think to hard about this nor give my full 2 cents because I am sure someone was just dying to let this out. Once again we just need the best man to win against GB.

 

[tempests]

I'm going to rip the quotes from Silver's story. Just the bare bones, what Jared actually said to him. From my POV, he didn't do or say anything wrong. And I don't see where this riff is supposed to be.

"Yeah, it was extremely hard.....It was one of the hardest things I've had to handle. The week was tough. I knew I had to prepare to be ready to play, in case they needed me. And I'm happy I did."
"Sean made it very clear to me, 'We're obviously not benching you. We need to have a plan moving forward and this week, with where you're at physically and what not…' I got it, to an extent. But it was tough."
"As a competitor, you want to be out there -- but I prepared accordingly..."We were doing almost all I could 'on air' throughout the week, just off to the side. I wasn't taking any reps against the defense, but I was just trying to get my thumb into a good place."

https://www.nfl.com/news/jared-goff...lford-leads-rams-in-wild-card-upset-of-seahaw

 

[payote75]

I can say there's zero chance we can trade for Watson.

There is always a chance. Can't say there's zero chance about anything. Anything is possible sir!

 

[NJRamsFan]

sorry for the mix up then. To answer the Donald question. If doctors cleared him, then yes. He would start if he told McVay he wanted to start. You really think he wouldn’t start?

IMO....and keep in mind this is just my opinion bc I have no way of knowing or supporting this idea but I highly doubt doctors cleared Goff in terms of no risk for further injury aka bending screws/ pins I have 6 screws in my hand and they were terrified for like 8 months id bend them because I was in the Army and at high risk for that type of stuff...and the risk I took was not getting tackled by 300lb men or anywhere close in terms of re injury....incisions don't even heal in 12 days let alone anything else...so dude likely had an open(ish) wound on his hand. I'm assuming Goff acted (maybe with a waiver) against doctors wishes.

I cant honestly say I know what would happen with Aaron Donald because thers a lot of what ifs....I was just disagreeing with the premise of your post that seemed to oversimplify the issue in terms of if ramsay was coming off of a hamstring strain to Goffs surgery.

 

[jrry32]

There is always a chance. Can't say there's zero chance about anything. Anything is possible sir!

We have no first round pick this year. If the Texans are actually considering dealing him, there are plenty of teams with far more draft compensation to offer (NYJ, MIA, etc.).

 

[jrry32]

I'm going to rip the quotes from Silver's story. Just the bare bones, what Jared actually said to him. From my POV, he didn't do or say anything wrong. And I don't see where this riff is supposed to be.

"Yeah, it was extremely hard.....It was one of the hardest things I've had to handle. The week was tough. I knew I had to prepare to be ready to play, in case they needed me. And I'm happy I did."
"Sean made it very clear to me, 'We're obviously not benching you. We need to have a plan moving forward and this week, with where you're at physically and what not…' I got it, to an extent. But it was tough."
"As a competitor, you want to be out there -- but I prepared accordingly..."We were doing almost all I could 'on air' throughout the week, just off to the side. I wasn't taking any reps against the defense, but I was just trying to get my thumb into a good place."

https://www.nfl.com/news/jared-goff...lford-leads-rams-in-wild-card-upset-of-seahaw

He said all of that at his press conference too. It wasn't a dig at McVay.

 

[FarNorth]

Goff's gonna have to get past all that shit. It's a different conversation if the dude was lighting everyone up, but he's been a bottom third QB this year. Even though we all understand why that happened, Goff isn't in a position to act like he's Aaron Rodgers here.

And I don't think it's in his best interest here to make a stink even if it's about, say, McVay sitting him.

I agree, but so far I have not heard anyone criticize Goff for how he has handled this. I also agree that McVay likely starting Wolford is totally legitimate under the circumstances.

But McVay needs to stop the charades with the press which require Goff and Wolford to play act. And if he is unwilling to make clear that Goff remains the starter when healthy, fine, but he does so at risk of blowing up his relationship with Goff. Imo at least that's not in the Rams' best interest.

 

[jrry32]

You may have missed my point. This was a playoff game. If it was a regular season game it’s not a conversation of course Goff is not playing. All your examples are not win or go home scenarios. Also Brees was a different injury.

All I’m saying is I would not dismiss anything at this point. Goff not starting to a guy who had 1 career start is a talking point.

All that said, I have no doubt McVay and Goff can work through this.
may have missed my point. This was a playoff game.

I watched Kupp try to play against the Broncos in 2018 after injuring his knee (much like Jared did after dislocating/breaking his thumb against the Seahawks). They would not have played him the next week if it were a playoff game, no matter what he said. I guarantee that. You don't play a guy who is hurting the team and can hurt himself worse being out there. Goff was a worse QB than Wolford this past Saturday because his grip was compromised. McVay made the right call. I have zero doubt he'd make the same call with any other guy on the team if that guy playing injured was going to hurt the team.

 

[payote75]

We have no first round pick this year. If the Texans are actually considering dealing him, there are plenty of teams with far more draft compensation to offer (NYJ, MIA, etc.).

I am aware and am just saying never zero chance always a chance. I also mentioned other options too. Let's see who plays this week and the results and go from there. I don't close the book on anything and I never say never.