(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

[Boston Ram]

IMO....and keep in mind this is just my opinion bc I have no way of knowing or supporting this idea but I highly doubt doctors cleared Goff in terms of no risk for further injury aka bending screws/ pins I have 6 screws in my hand and they were terrified for like 8 months id bend them because I was in the Army and at high risk for that type of stuff...and the risk I took was not getting tackled by 300lb men or anywhere close in terms of re injury....incisions don't even heal in 12 days let alone anything else...so dude likely had an open(ish) wound on his hand. I'm assuming Goff acted (maybe with a waiver) against doctors wishes.

I cant honestly say I know what would happen with Aaron Donald because thers a lot of what ifs....I was just disagreeing with the premise of your post that seemed to oversimplify the issue in terms of if ramsay was coming off of a hamstring strain to Goffs surgery.

I hear ya. None of us really knows what happens behind the scenes

 

[Memphis Ram]

Even the qbs you mentioned are memorable because they defy the odds....they werent supposed to be good and 9.9999 times out of 10 they arent.

Maybe so. But, there was a scouting department and coaching staff that thought otherwise and voila. The Rams scouting department under Les Snead have found late round/undrafted gems at other positions. Why not not QB? It's possible

And while I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one, they might have one in Bryce Perkins. But, not if you are looking for a traditional QB type. But, running more of an RGIII type offense McVay saw firsthand in Washington? I think he'd thrive in it. And from what I understand, the Rams went after this kid hard. More than any other team according to Perkins. He even thought they were going to draft him. He's nothing like Goff, so why go so hard for someone like Perkins?

 

[jrry32]

Goff's gonna have to get past all that shit. It's a different conversation if the dude was lighting everyone up, but he's been a bottom third QB this year. Even though we all understand why that happened, Goff isn't in a position to act like he's Aaron Rodgers here.

And I don't think it's in his best interest here to make a stink even if it's about, say, McVay sitting him.

Respectfully, Merlin, I recommend reading the article if you haven't:

Jared Goff replaces injured John Wolford, leads Rams in wild-card upset of Seahawks

www.nfl.com

There's some speculation in this thread that doesn't line up with the article. The article doesn't paint Goff as angry at McVay or their relationship on the rocks. It paints Goff as a competitor who wanted to play but understanding of the difficult situation his coach was in, not a guy bitterly angry with his coach for doing what's best for the team.

 

[dieterbrock]

Goff is my boy but in McVay I trust.

I agree, but am trusting it will work out all the same

 

[Psycho_X]

K. Silver got to come up with something to talk about in between playoff games. Got to make drama so they have a reason to talk.

 

[MachS]

I am aware and am just saying never zero chance always a chance. I also mentioned other options too. Let's see who plays this week and the results and go from there. I don't close the book on anything and I never say never.

Not only that but Watson has a no trade clause. So he has to sign off on any trade destination. Miami makes sense, but he wont go to the Jets. Les has to kick the tires a bit doesn't he? And maybe he pulls a miracle out of his ass if Watson pushes to come here. Very, very, very low chance it happens..and would cost a lot of picks/players but you never know.

But every year there are impact rookie QBs coming into the league and we've never seen McVay draft a QB. Look at how well we've drafted the past 4 years. I bet we could find a stud in the 2nd if we decided to move Goff.

 

[jrry32]

Maybe so. But, there was a scouting department and coaching staff that thought otherwise and voila. The Rams scouting department under Les Snead have found late round/undrafted gems at other positions. Why not not QB? It's possible

And while I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one, they might have one in Bryce Perkins. But, not if you are looking for a traditional QB type. But, running more of an RGIII type offense McVay saw firsthand in Washington? I think he'd thrive in it. And from what I understand, the Rams went after this kid hard. More than any other team according to Perkins. He even thought they were going to draft him. He's nothing like Goff, so why go so hard for someone like Perkins?

With respect, Memphis, do you remember what happened in Washington with RGIII and McVay? They gave RGIII a chance to start in 2014, and he could not execute the scheme effectively. He struggled so much that they had him playing scout team safety in 2015 and didn't give him a single snap at QB. I don't think McVay is interested in a running QB. He wants a QB who can execute his scheme. Mobility is a plus, but it's not what will make or break a QB in this scheme.

Nobody is saying it's not possible. We're saying it's not PROBABLE. You don't dump a QB who can execute the system and win games to bet on a lottery ticket. And if they had seen Perkins in practice and thought him to be a stud right now, why bring in Bortles over him? At minimum, they don't see Perkins as ready to play significant stats right now.

 

[dieterbrock]

Maybe so. But, there was a scouting department and coaching staff that thought otherwise and voila. The Rams scouting department under Les Snead have found late round/undrafted gems at other positions. Why not not QB? It's possible

And while I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one, they might have one in Bryce Perkins. But, not if you are looking for a traditional QB type. But, running more of an RGIII type offense McVay saw firsthand in Washington? I think he'd thrive in it. And from what I understand, the Rams went after this kid hard. More than any other team according to Perkins. He even thought they were going to draft him. He's nothing like Goff, so why go so hard for someone like Perkins?

We may disagree completely on Goff, but I do believe Perkins is a steal and would have been a 1st rounder had he had 1 more year at UVA.

 

[Merlin]

But McVay needs to stop the charades with the press which require Goff and Wolford to play act.

I don't think that's necessary by any means. If it makes the other team waste time in their gameplanning it's a good thing and by all means do it when you can. I'm more concerned with wins than the player's feelings here.

 

[MachS]

Respectfully, Merlin, I recommend reading the article if you haven't:

Jared Goff replaces injured John Wolford, leads Rams in wild-card upset of Seahawks

www.nfl.com

There's some speculation in this thread that doesn't line up with the article. The article doesn't paint Goff as angry at McVay or their relationship on the rocks. It paints Goff as a competitor who wanted to play but understanding of the difficult situation his coach was in, not a guy bitterly angry with his coach for doing what's best for the team.

Did you see McVays media session from yesterday? He alludes to difficult discussions with Goff going on...To Goff being unhappy about not starting in SEA. This media session was yesterday, before Silver's report which came out today:

McVay: "We always make sure we're communicating with them (the QBs), and make the best decisions for the team accordingly. And sometimes those things are good for everybody, but you cant always accommodate everybody.... that's what my job is, and I'm going to be clear, honest and upfront about it...............Its just clearly communicating the thought process, and how you come to decisions, and where you're at with how those decisions are being made, to try and create a clear understanding. And sometimes those things might be agreed on, sometimes they might not be. But that's the responsibility you have (as a head coach)."

 

[JRobinson]

This is what it is, and its fairly common sense. But the potential riff is Goff himself thinks he can start..and thinks he should be. While McVay doesn't think he can execute at his usual level with the injury and prefers Wolford right now. Goff is a competitor and wants to start. So either piss him off and trust your gut with Wolford, or roll Goff out there far less than 100%. Its a tough situation for McVay.

But it’s not a tough situation, which is why Wolford started against Seattle.

The situation has played its hand: Goff has sucked, weather that be the OLine (agreed), the play calling, or Goff’s regression (I’m in this camp), he has been bad for the majority of this season. Wolford comes in and shows a different dynamic while being consistent in one game. Who gives you the best chance to win right this moment? It’s Wolford. That’s not even talking about the thumb issue.

JMO.

 

[Ewe83]

I think the fuck not, ridiculous

 

[NJRamsFan]

But it’s not a tough situation, which is why Wolford started against Seattle.

The situation has played its hand: Goff has sucked, weather that be the OLine (agreed), the play calling, or Goff’s regression (I’m in this camp), he has been bad for the majority of this season. Wolford comes in and shows a different dynamic while being consistent in one game. Who gives you the best chance to win right this moment? It’s Wolford. That’s not even talking about the thumb issue.

JMO.

No. Wolford started in Seattle because Goff had surgery 12 days prior. In order for your scenario to be true we would have to assume Wolford was going to start against the Cards and subsequently Seattle regardless of Goffs injury. Do you believe that to be true?

 

[OldSchool]

There is always a chance. Can't say there's zero chance about anything. Anything is possible sir!

Bill O'Brien is not in charge anymore and nobody but him was stupid enough to trade away a franchise QB without giving up multiple 1st rounders especially for the current draft.

 

[TexasRam]

Ah so much speculating based on nothing.

The only thing that is factual here is Goff was not 100% and therefore Mcvay went with Wolford. This was extremely difficult for Goff because he's a competitor. Look at the throws he made and its clear why Mcvay had to do this.

The media makes money off sensational stories and causing a stir.

Mcvay himself said if Jared was 100% he would be playing because he is our starting QB.

 

[OldSchool]

Did you see McVays media session from yesterday? He alludes to difficult discussions with Goff going on...To Goff being unhappy about not starting in SEA. This media session was yesterday, before Silver's report which came out today:

McVay: "We always make sure we're communicating with them (the QBs), and make the best decisions for the team accordingly. And sometimes those things are good for everybody, but you cant always accommodate everybody.... that's what my job is, and I'm going to be clear, honest and upfront about it...............Its just clearly communicating the thought process, and how you come to decisions, and where you're at with how those decisions are being made, to try and create a clear understanding. And sometimes those things might be agreed on, sometimes they might not be. But that's the responsibility you have (as a head coach)."

Shocking! Our starting QB wants to play and isn't happy he wasn't playing regardless of his health. The funny part is if Goff had agreed to not start there would be threads criticizing his heart and desire to play and you know very well those threads would happen.

 

[Merlin]

There's some speculation in this thread that doesn't line up with the article. The article doesn't paint Goff as angry at McVay or their relationship on the rocks. It paints Goff as a competitor who wanted to play but understanding of the difficult situation his coach was in, not a guy bitterly angry with his coach for doing what's best for the team.

Yes and I also don't see his relationship as on the rocks by any means here. I simply think what Silver said is believable and some are things I expected to develop. But this is all no surprise:

1. That McVay is a demanding coach. I am certain that is the case and I suspect he might be the most demanding as it pertains to coach/QB.

2. That McVay's his lack of faith in Goff eroded Goff's confidence. I certainly believe that. We all know what a good kid Goff is, so of course he's going to feel it when his coach calls "give up" plays as often as he has this year when we get behind the chains. Goff isn't stupid he knows McVay fears he's going to make a mistake.

3. That they are seeing things differently. This one could go a bunch of different ways. It might mean that McVay told him he was going to start Wolford. I sort of suspect that too given the timing of Silver putting it out there as he's close to Goff and his family. But it could just as likely mean Goff feels like he doesn't have protections to do what McVay wants or who knows what else. But whatever it is I do think it's real and coming from Goff or his folks.

But wherever the truth is here's the thing... Goff is going to need to pick himself up and play himself out of this rut he's in. That last game he showed guts. Ok well here we go again in Green Bay and this is the moment where greatness is made. So go win us a game and worry about feelings being hurt and all that later when you can sort the whole thing.

 

[Ewe83]

Just going to leave this here


View: https://twitter.com/LindseyThiry/status/1348078878875676674

 

[OldSchool]

Just going to leave this here


View: https://twitter.com/LindseyThiry/status/1348078878875676674

But that's just coach speak! That's what the detractors will say yet if he didn't say that it is further evidence of a rift.

 

[Merlin]

I agree, but so far I have not heard anyone criticize Goff for how he has handled this. I also agree that McVay likely starting Wolford is totally legitimate under the circumstances.

I was certainly not criticizing Goff for how he handled this. Just saying "toughen up and win your job back kid."