Odell Beckham available for trade?

[dieterbrock]

Carl Banks is saying there’s a legit offer on the table for Odell
Today, 08:36 AM

with a 4 pm deadline today.

We get their next three number 1’s and this year’s 2 and 3.

Sounds too good to pass up.

heard just now on WFAN.

I heard this on WFAN as well, and well, its 4:56 and deadline has passed.....
As if the Giants would turn down 3 1's and a 2 & 3 this year

 

[Mackeyser]

The 2019 cap number only incl

The 2019 cap number includes only 38 players under contract in that year, so shrink that number by more than just the big contracts for the stars.

What's crazy is that with creative cap management, the Rams could actually keep most of these "rentals" on solid contracts IF they draft well in the later rounds.

That would give us a nearly 5 year window of having a ridiculous level of talent.

It's possible.

If someone had put all these possibilities on the table even two months ago, I would believed it was possible to be so drunk on Kool-Aid so to incur brain damage.

This off-season is one for the record books.

 

[NJRamsFan]

So yes, it is like the guy is getting into trouble for drugs.

What was his punishment?

 

[Ram65]

I have not bought into the thought that the Rams could have real interest in OBJ. Financially it's near impossible if not impossible. Rams ca't afford him or can they afford to give at least a first round pick for him. Now, if his value goes down to third round pick or so I could see a one year rental. One year for the Super Bowl win. Until then I do not see it at all.

 

[Karate61]

Look fuckers I can understand wanting to have both of these it's just that I can't afford EITHER.

Same with OBJ, Von Miller, Khalil Mack and whoever else you want on the Rams...

This isn't baseball.

We already have the copter and the car. Adding the chick can't be that difficult!

 

[Akrasian]

What was his punishment?

None, yet. But he's on video in a drug situation. Let's not pretend that he's a choirboy with zero interest in doing drugs. There is a very real risk he will face suspension from the NFL at some point, and that risk needs to be factored in to his value going forward, as well as his on the field performance, his salary going forward, and what it would take to trade for him. It would be very foolish to ignore such things.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Thought we already had an Beckham trade thread

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[NJRamsFan]

None, yet. But he's on video in a drug situation. Let's not pretend that he's a choirboy with zero interest in doing drugs. There is a very real risk he will face suspension from the NFL at some point, and that risk needs to be factored in to his value going forward, as well as his on the field performance, his salary going forward, and what it would take to trade for him. It would be very foolish to ignore such things.

For the record. He has never failed a drug test and only been suspended for 1 game in his career for his on-field fights with Josh Norman.

Good luck with that leverage you think you've addressed while negotiating with ODB's agent

 

[lockdnram21]

Do you think if the roles were reversed, put OBJ in Buffalo....Watkins in NY....do you think they'd have similar numbers?

maybe but OBJ a different animal

 

[Mackeyser]

I heard this on WFAN as well, and well, its 4:56 and deadline has passed.....
As if the Giants would turn down 3 1's and a 2 & 3 this year

Wouldn't surprise me if OBJ's agent squashed it by informing the team that they can trade him wherever, but he's not going to report and he'll just do the minimum to get credit for the year.

It's what I'd tell them and I'm only marginally versed in CBA negotiations. I mean, everyone can see Spotrac...

Like I said, OBJ is in the driver's seat.

NY will likely wait until the draft, give or take a few days and then trade him to the Rams.

Not making any bets, but that's my very strong feeling that gets stronger by the day...

 

[Akrasian]

For the record. He has never failed a drug test and only been suspended for 1 game in his career for his on-field fights with Josh Norman.

Good luck with that leverage you think you've addressed while negotiating with ODB's agent

Leverage? I'm just saying that he IS on video. You can keep your head in the sand, but ignoring it as being irrelevant is asinine. Anybody who would consider trading multiple high picks and extending with a huge contract a player like that without even investigating the drug issue is highly foolish.

It wouldn't come to negotiations with his agent. I don't want him, not if it's going to take a big trade followed by a huge contract.

 

[Mackeyser]

For the record. He has never failed a drug test and only been suspended for 1 game in his career for his on-field fights with Josh Norman.

Good luck with that leverage you think you've addressed while negotiating with ODB's agent

Exactly. And even if it WAS coke, it could have been solely for the model he was schtupping...

CBA doesn't say "you can't be seen in the vicinity of drugs", just that you can't have any in your system.

With proper legal representation, it's all circumstantial and moot. No prosecution can come from it.

Unless he test positive, I'm not sweating it.

If he did test positive...then that's a MASSIVE red flag.

I don't think he will, tho. It's one thing to party with a coked out model. It's another to actually DO the coke.

 

[dieterbrock]

Wouldn't surprise me if OBJ's agent squashed it by informing the team that they can trade him wherever, but he's not going to report and he'll just do the minimum to get credit for the year.

It's what I'd tell them and I'm only marginally versed in CBA negotiations. I mean, everyone can see Spotrac...

Like I said, OBJ is in the driver's seat.

NY will likely wait until the draft, give or take a few days and then trade him to the Rams.

Not making any bets, but that's my very strong feeling that gets stronger by the day...

No team offered that. Giants would have said yes before the other team finished saying 3rd round draft pick

 

[99Balloons]

I find myself even more opposed to this trade than I was originally.

Too many are being seduced by OBJ’s pure talent, IMO.

But the cost and risks? Few seem willing to account for them.

First, the costs:

Even a single 1st would cost the Rams a needed quality Edge, something that Wade’s D critically needs. I can’t overstate this. A starter that would basically complete Wade’s D by providing needed pressure that enhances his DL and secondary effectiveness? Wow! Just gotta have it, y’all. Sure, a lesser player could be picked later in the draft, but does anyone really want to have to “settle” at such a critical position? I think that would fall into “penny wise, pound foolish” territory, tbh.

If another pick is surrendered, such as a 3rd this year or next, that just compounds the loss of needed young and inexpensive long term players. Gawd forbid that they give up a future 1st! Such picks are our future and desperately needed to maintain talent level at cap friendly prices.

Pushing for a SB during our window of opportunity is a great thing. But maybe only up to a point? Don’t know about you, but I want to remain competitive for years and years. Selling our future premium draft picks at some point puts us in a talent and cap situation that would take years to overcome. Too high a price for my tastes.

Next we have the possible impact costs of OBJ’s constant public immaturity and team distractions. McVay is apparently publicly dismissing this factor, I know. I think that that could be a mistake. OBJ takes this crap to a whole new level compared to Suh, Talib, and Peters, at least IMO. Mara is seemingly done with OBJ after only 4 years despite the obvious talent. Alarm bells should be ringing. Beware the “new car fever” about adding a new toy.

Then there’s the little matter of the approx $18 million that OBJ will demand. Question: Where in the world is that money gonna come from our cap? A better question might be which other future players will this force the Rams to let go? And is it not possible that THEIR aggregate value might exceed that of OBJ? Serious question.

Lastly, what about McVay’s spread-it-around O? I don’t see him abandoning such a success anytime soon. So, how would OBJ fit in this O? Or better question might be will he be happy and quiet in it? I have my doubts, needless to say. Corollary question might be to ask just how many fewer targets do we want to see for Woods, Kupp, and Gurley? And would fewer targets be a good thing?

When I add all the above up, I’ve gotta say that I sure hope that this OBJ trade never happens. The net costs will exceed the net benefits by a wide margin, I’m afraid.

Well said. You've just expressed my thoughts exactly.

 

[Mackeyser]

Leverage? I'm just saying that he IS on video. You can keep your head in the sand, but ignoring it as being irrelevant is asinine. Anybody who would consider trading multiple high picks and extending with a huge contract a player like that without even investigating the drug issue is highly foolish.

It wouldn't come to negotiations with his agent. I don't want him, not if it's going to take a big trade followed by a huge contract.

NO ONE is trading multiple high picks.

That's not happening.

The best offer the NYG are going to get is our #23.

Moreover, because OBJ can hold out for so long, it wouldn't matter if Cleveland or the NYJ offered the moon.

4 or 5 games and then being faced with a tag or release??? That's not worth a 6th round pick, honestly, let alone a mint as if one were trading for a franchise QB.

Some things are so beyond the pale that they're not worth considering.

NYG getting multiple firsts?

Yeah, there's a better chance we trade AD for a ham sandwich...

 

[dieterbrock]

maybe but OBJ a different animal

Love Sammy, wish things were different and he could have stayed a Ram.
That said, he's not in OBJ's class

 

[Mackeyser]

No team offered that. Giants would have said yes before the other team finished saying 3rd round draft pick

No, they wouldn't. They can't take that offer because contingent would be that OBJ would report.

He's not going to.

He won't report UNLESS he gets paid OR if he finds himself in the perfect situation.

LA happens to be that perfect situation.

Lemme be clear.

NYG have ZERO bargaining power here.

OBJ was healthy when the Giants said, "trust me, just play and you'll get paid"

Well, he got injured, acted out and now the Giants are saying, "yeah, we've had enough".

So that "trust me" from the Giants means nothing.

I'm CERTAIN that OBJs management is making sure everyone knows he's NOT going to just report because the NYG were able to pick a team's pockets.

It's one thing to not want OBJ because you don't have faith that he will be better under McVay or you just don't see how the finances work and you don't want to see AD's retention endangered.

But this concern isn't a concern AT ALL. As in zero concern.

AND...I'll go further. IF we part with a first round pick, you can bet we have a plan for retaining OBJ and he won't be a one year rental.

 

[SeminoleRam]

What is your maximum offer (If, Any!) to the Giants? Mine would be the Rams 1st (#23) and second 2nd round (#135) picks. I would like to see the Rams get Beckham but will not be very upset/disappointed if they don't! Great talent but would definitely bring some baggage/concerns with him.

 

[Mackeyser]

What is your maximum offer (If, Any!) to the Giants? Mine would be the Rams 1st (#23) and second 2nd round (#135) picks. I would like to see the Rams get Beckham but will not be very upset/disappointed if they don't! Great talent but would definitely bring some baggage/concerns with him.

We don't have a 2nd iirc.

I would offer our #23 and 2019 3rd and that's it. If they want a second, then I want a second back this year.

Moreover, if we're offering a 1st, I would want to know that we could create something longer than a season. I dunno that we'd go all in on a big contract. I don't think that's warranted at this time, but I could see a 2-3 year deal with some big numbers next year.

I think after a few games, if OBJ did come on a one year deal, fans would be really sorry it was only a one year deal...

 

[Kevin]

AND...I'll go further. IF we part with a first round pick, you can bet we have a plan for retaining OBJ and he won't be a one year rental.

I believe OBJ has said he won't step on the field without a new contract, meaning to me that no trade takes place until the team acquiring him has a handshake agreement on a deal in place. I don't know if that;s even possible, could be tampering. If a handshake agreement cannot be done prior to a trade, then there is more risk to the team acquiring him. Then you do risk an impasse.