Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[Mojo Ram]

That does not account for his inability to process after his initial play call is taken away. It also does not account for his lack of feeling pressure, which by all accounts he had in college.

For sure. Mechanics is one thing and mental processing is another. Then you have mental makeup which some will argue means nothing. I think it does. Most guys are competitive and some guys are uber competitive. Martz believed this was most important at QB. I tend to agree with him.

 

[dieterbrock]

I definitely hope you and others are right.

However, after watching one game I see some areas that Stafford is definitely an improvement over Goff (mobility, arm strength and probably seeing the field better under pressure - didn't see a lot of that in the Chicago game) and areas where Goff was better (accuracy and winning with a lead). I was definitely disappointed that Stafford threw a terrible pass with a lead and only a few minutes left in the game for an interception that led to Chicago winning that game. He should never have thrown that 3rd and 6 pass and just thrown it away. All the anti-Goff guys can say that Goff made horrible mistakes and I agree he did but almost never with the game on the line and never when he had a lead.

That's semantics. We can only view Stafford on what he does with McVay. Our offense was stale and if bringing Stafford in is causing McVay to change things for the better, then it's a benefit to the team.

 

[Merlin]

Goff's feet were excellent in college and were pretty good early on here. Has he maintained great feet? I'm not sure i've been too busy watching his quick release deteriorate.

His film in 2019 had a ton of him throwing off his back foot. He worked on that I presume prior to the 2020 season. As far as I know he's with House and his group every offseason.

2020 I've watched a lot more of his film than I did in 2019 and I feel like his footwork and everything really went out the window with pressures. If I had to guess what he'll be working on this offseason: getting through reads and seeing things more consistently while performing pocket movement.

 

[Tano]

That's semantics. We can only view Stafford on what he does with McVay. Our offense was stale and if bringing Stafford in is causing McVay to change things for the better, then it's a benefit to the team.

Maybe but he should never have thrown that pass and everyone on this board would have gone parden the expression "Ape Shit" if Goff had thrown that pass at that point in the game.

 

[VegasRam]

I never thought Stafford was elite. And now with a hurt back and his age.

Joe Montana hurt his back at age 30, had surgery, and played 6 more years.
Ignored the back reference a dozen times now, but just can't anymore.
(Not directed solely at you tano...)

 

[Tano]

His film in 2019 had a ton of him throwing off his back foot. He worked on that I presume prior to the 2020 season. As far as I know he's with House and his group every offseason.

2020 I've watched a lot more of his film than I did in 2019 and I feel like his footwork and everything really went out the window with pressures. If I had to guess what he'll be working on this offseason: getting through reads and seeing things more consistently while performing pocket movement.

Almost all of the pressures that got to Goff was from up the middle. He was absolutely terrible at avoiding that pressure.

 

[dieterbrock]

Hasn't anybody learned that using the Patriots as a baseline for statistical/team building/success comparison just doesn't work? Brady/Belichick...it's it's own thing. Was it's own thing. Lol
So Brady had success without a defense or running game once...doesn't compute or matter.

Who is using Pats as a baseline for success?
I'm a couple pages behind, but from what I saw I believe I brought them in to the discussion, but that's not what I said at all

 

[PhillyRam]

No. By that logic, I'd rather have a player who has proven he can do something in the league over taking a chance on someone who has not. That is, as long as it's cap feasible.

If it's all considered a gamble anyway, give me the known vs. the unknown.

Even if that player takes up a significant percentage of the cap and forces you to cut or let other significant contributers leave via FA... Then have limited resources to fill those gaping holes?

 

[Tano]

Joe Montana hurt his back at age 30, had surgery, and played 6 more years.
Ignored the back reference a dozen times now, but just can't anymore.
(Not directed solely at you tano...)

I probably should have stated that it is possible that Stafford can play after back surgery just that I am scared to death that one bad hit and he is done. Seen it happen too many times in sports. And we don't have any firsts to go after a replacements for a few years.

I just feel it is too big a risk to give up firsts for.

Again reiterating what I have said before - I would have been okay with the trade if we gave up less for Stafford than two firsts.

But that's just me and how I feel.

I am hoping everything plays out like a lot of you are stating and we are huge contenders for a SB next year and that our offense goes back to 2018 offense.

It is possible - I have also stated that Goff and Stafford are a lot alike in their play just a few differences that hopefully Staffords benefits will greatly outweigh Goffs benefits.

Very possible.

All aboard the Stafford train.

 

[dieterbrock]

Joe Montana hurt his back at age 30, had surgery, and played 6 more years.
Ignored the back reference a dozen times now, but just can't anymore.
(Not directed solely at you tano...)

Stafford might have even played again in 19 if it wasnt such a lost season. While broken bones in ones back is no picnic, it also isnt an injury that would be a recurring type. Had it been a blown disk like Montana's, it would be of a much greater concern,
Heck, the truth of the matter is Goff's thumb has as much of a chance of re-injuring

 

[Mojo Ram]

Who is using Pats as a baseline for success?
I'm a couple pages behind, but from what I saw I believe I brought them in to the discussion, but that's not what I said at all

I see it all the time all over the net. I've been guilty myself in the past. It just doesn't compute. Would you agree?

I'm also behind in contextualizing this thread and i'm supposed to read everything! Don't tell CGI i'm lagging.

This is your post that i saw earlier today.

How many thousand yard backs did the Patriots have? They won a SB with Shane Vereen as the leading rusher with 390 yards. The Chiefs havent had one since Mahomes became QB. Point being, Detroit favored a a high volume pass offense because of Stafford. Kind of like Miami back in the day with Marino, the team never focused on the run because they exploited (for a lack of a better term) the QB skills and were too reliant on that alone.

 

[OldSchool]

Stafford might have even played again in 19 if it wasnt such a lost season. While broken bones in ones back is no picnic, it also isnt an injury that would be a recurring type. Had it been a blown disk like Montana's, it would be of a much greater concern,
Heck, the truth of the matter is Goff's thumb has as much of a chance of re-injuring

I'm not worried about the back but I think I heard he had the same surgery that Romo did that later led to him retiring. You know any more about that?

 

[OC_Ram]

Not that the FO cared about me but....., Goff was dead to me when he threw away the ball back into the field of play which got picked off instead having another shot getting a TD of FG. WTF? 30 mil a yr to a pro making what kind of mistake? GTFOOH. Bye

 

[dieterbrock]

I see it all the time all over the net. I've been guilty myself in the past. It just doesn't compute. Would you agree?

I'm also behind in contextualizing this thread and i'm supposed to read everything! Don't tell CGI i'm lagging.

This is your post that i saw earlier today.

Yeah, I think my point was missed because once the Patriots get brought in to a discussion, it turns most people off, so that's my bad. Lol.
My point was that I dont think Stafford suffered from poor running games as much as they consistently ran high volume passing attacks. "Detroit favored a a high volume pass offense because of Stafford. Kind of like Miami back in the day with Marino, the team never focused on the run because they exploited (for a lack of a better term) the QB skills and were too reliant on that alone."
So when viewing his numbers, it also stands to reason that teams were able to scheme against him easier because the run wasnt going to be a threat. Now he's playing for a coach who will mix it up? I seriously cant see less than 500 points next year

 

[dieterbrock]

I'm not worried about the back but I think I heard he had the same surgery that Romo did that later led to him retiring. You know any more about that?

Funny you should ask....
I was just reading about that exact thing

Why this Tony Romo injury is more serious than past issues

The Cowboys quarterback suffered a compression fracture in his back on Thursday night and could miss six to 10 weeks. Stephania Bell breaks down Romo's prognosis and possible treatment.

www.espn.com

Romo sustained a "compression fracture" which is much more severe, and rare

 

[Tano]

Not that the FO cared about me but....., Goff was dead to me when he threw away the ball back into the field of play which got picked off instead having another shot getting a TD of FG. WTF? 30 mil a yr to a pro making what kind of mistake? GTFOOH. Bye

I have no idea why he did that throw.

I have already stated that is one of the stupidest throws I have ever seen anyone make.

I am wondering if Goff was already feeling the pressure from McVay and was trying to do too much.

Completely and utterly stupid pass.

 

[baconandbread]

I'll just leave this here as I found this interesting...

Matthew Stafford Improved When Calvin Johnson Retired

Read more on how Matthew Stafford improved in almost every statistical category once Calvin Johnson retired.

www.si.com

 

[PhillyRam]

My big disappointment about this is the fact that I, and I assume along with others, hoped that Goff would be like Brady, Ryan, Brees, etc... where at least he stays a long time and becomes a very good QB and you just continue to build/ rebuild around him... He would provide stability and a face of the franchise.

Now I see it as if they are lucky enough to win a SB with Stafford, they will be like the Eagles and its a one time thing abd then it all falls apart.

I guess we have to trust McVay and Snead to not let that happen, but once you start looking for a QB, its not easy to find that guy.... and you can't keep trading for an established star... Those opportunities don't happen often.

 

[Tano]

I'll just leave this here as I found this interesting...

Matthew Stafford Improved When Calvin Johnson Retired

Read more on how Matthew Stafford improved in almost every statistical category once Calvin Johnson retired.

www.si.com

Hmm - could Jrry be right and QBs dramatically improve after their 5th year.

Unlike a lot of other people, I will be following Goff to see if he can improve even being on a crappy Detroit team.

I will try not to I told you so though if he does dramatically improve.

I will keep it to myself as best I can. (That's going to be really hard.)

 

[Merlin]

I'm just discovering this and I'm in shock.