Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[iamme33]

Agreed. Stafford is so much better than some give him credit for. Just watching him elude the pass rush is more than I could have desired, but doing it while looking down field and going through all of his progressions has me very excited. This is the best I felt about the Rams chances of reaching a Super Bowl, Since the GSOT days.

i have not watched a bunch of high light film on stafford but what i did watch it seems to me that his release is far and away faster then goffs. that fast release also gives him more time to look down field.

 

[Tano]

Wow thats crazy.

A lot of talk about Staffords lack of playoff success too. This AM saw a graphic that said in Safford's three playoff games(0-3), his defense has given up an average of 31.7ppg.

I don't know - 24 and 26 points seems like just an above average amount of points for playoff teams

And Seattle scored 16 of their 26 points in the 4th qtr and Dallas scored 10 of their 24 points in the 4th qtr and 17 in the second half

 

[MachS]

It almost feels like Snead fleeced them. Maybe Holmes is pissed about the Dorsey thing and said screw it. I know the Rams will take me back when I’m fired

I didnt think that until Albert Breer gave all the info on the other offers...but sure seems like it. Carolina offering pick 8 plus a 4th, and Washington offering pick 17 plus a 3rd, are both much better offers according to the trade value chart. We did give them a starting QB in Goff so that played a part for sure. But they took his entire contract.

I keep hearing that the Lions wanted to send Stafford off the right way. Calvin Johnsons tenure ended badly I guess and they didnt want a repeat of that. Stafford REALLY wanted to come to LA by all accounts. That must of had a big part in it. Because with pick 8 you can just draft a top rookie QB, get him on a rookie deal and dont have to deal with the Goff contract. That makes way more sense to me if I'm the Lions.

 

[dang]

So moving forward. I expect Jefferson to replace Reynolds and Everett to be gone. With that said will McVay keep the rest of the offense in tact or add any other pieces (OL, WR)?

 

[thirteen28]

So moving forward. I expect Jefferson to replace Reynolds and Everett to be gone. With that said will McVay keep the rest of the offense in tact or add any other pieces (OL, WR)?

He damn sure better add at least one good interior OL, minimum.

And he needs to look for a LOT to replace Whit who won't be here forever.

 

[Tano]

I didnt think that until Albert Breer gave all the info on the other offers...but sure seems like it. Carolina offering pick 8 plus a 4th, and Washington offering pick 17 plus a 3rd, are both much better offers according to the trade value chart. We did give them a starting QB in Goff so that played a part for sure. But they took his entire contract.

I keep hearing that the Lions wanted to send Stafford off the right way. Calvin Johnsons tenure ended badly I guess and they didnt want a repeat of that. Stafford REALLY wanted to come to LA by all accounts. That must of had a big part in it. Because with pick 8 you can just draft a top rookie QB, get him on a rookie deal and dont have to deal with the Goff contract. That makes way more sense to me if I'm the Lions.

Goff's a known quantity and Holmes knows Goff.

 

[ProGen]

 

[Mojo Ram]

i have not watched a bunch of high light film on stafford but what i did watch it seems to me that his release is far and away faster then goffs. that fast release also gives him more time to look down field.

True, but i've been pounding the table that for 2 years now Goff's once quick release has been slowed to a looping delivery. Jrry pointed out that he's not holding the ball as high in dropback which is true but that's a piece of the overall QB mechanics that i see have dropped off since 2018. Holding the ball lower is an issue that compounded the release issue.

Goff's feet were excellent in college and were pretty good early on here. Has he maintained great feet? I'm not sure i've been too busy watching his quick release deteriorate.

We're going to see quicker tempo with Stafford in there, as we saw with Wolford IMO. I think it will be immediately recognized.

 

[Tano]

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So Goff's production wasn't that bad it was basically the turnovers that did him in.

 

[OldSchool]

Two first round picks at 26 in this current year would be worth 1400pts. Remember, future draft pick value equates to about a full round less for every year out!!

So if you look at the 26th pick of rounds 2&3. That would approximately represent our 2022 and 2023 first rounders.

320points.....140points

And they took Goff's entire contract lol

On a made up chart. In 2022 and 23 they'll still have a 1st round pick no matter what somebody valued them at a year or two before.

 

[Tano]

True, but i've been pounding the table that for 2 years now Goff's once quick release has been slowed to a looping delivery. Jrry pointed out that he's not holding the ball as high in dropback which is true but that's a piece of the overall QB mechanics that i see have dropped off since 2018. Holding the ball lower is an issue that compounded the release issue.

Goff's feet were excellent in college and were pretty good early on here. Has he maintained great feet? I'm not sure i've been too busy watching his quick release deteriorate.

We're going to see quicker tempo with Stafford in there, as we saw with Wolford IMO. I think it will be immediately recognized.

Maybe he hasn't been holding the ball as high in dropback because he is more worried now that he is going to be hit and fumble due to the OL issues. Maybe they made him lower the ball. I don't know.

 

[Young Ram]

I’m over the initial shock. For one I was upset that we gave up two 1sts and a 3rd for a 33 years old QB. Second they are going to have to continue to find talent past the 1st round. I think Brad Holmes had a lot to do with that and now he’s with the Lions. Third, the inability to justify mega contracts on offense is concerning.

With that said Stafford > Goff. Stafford’s arm talent, his field awareness, and leadership are all far above what Goff could offer. I’m now excited for September. Let’s Go Rams!

 

[dieterbrock]

I replied to Dieter’s reply to me. He stated the Patriots had no 100 yard rushers and still won. Basically citing that Brady was good without one.

No, that's not what I said, at all. In regards to Stafford not having 1,000 yard backs, it was largely due to being a high volume passing attack that didnt rely on a running game, most seasons had a total of 350ish rushes. The one time they amped up the running game, and had 445 rushing attempts they did in fact have a 1,000 yard rusher with Reggie Bush.

 

[dieterbrock]

I agree, I just keep seeing the fact that Megatron was with Det used to throw cold water on Stafford, yet no mention of Hopkins. I am personally super excited to see what the Rams can do next year. If you look back at my posts during Goff's time here, I have been one of his supporters. I am an eternal optimist, so I am looking forward to the future.

Well, in fairness to Watson, he had career highs this past season in yards, touchdowns and QB rating, all while Hopkins was in Arizona

 

[Mojo Ram]

Maybe he hasn't been holding the ball as high in dropback because he is more worried now that he is going to be hit and fumble due to the OL issues. Maybe they made him lower the ball. I don't know.

I don't know why either but it stands to reason that holding the ball too low is a better way to get strip sacked or just plain fumble when getting swatted at by pass rushers in addition to slowing your release. Especially for non-athletic pocket passers. I doubt the coaching staff implemented this.

Manning was a guy who was near perfect in mechanics. He held it high. Stafford holds it high.

 

[Tano]

So how about Shaquil Barret as a FA OLB?

 

[Tano]

I don't know why either but it stands to reason that holding the ball too low is a better way to get strip sacked or just plain fumble when getting swatted at by pass rushers in addition to slowing your release. Especially for non-athletic pocket passers. I doubt the coaching staff implemented this.

Manning was a guy who was near perfect in mechanics. He held it high. Stafford holds it high.

To be honest, I am not that good with seeing passing mechanics. So that is one area that I wouldn't be able to notice with Stafford.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

True, but i've been pounding the table that for 2 years now Goff's once quick release has been slowed to a looping delivery. Jrry pointed out that he's not holding the ball as high in dropback which is true but that's a piece of the overall QB mechanics that i see have dropped off since 2018. Holding the ball lower is an issue that compounded the release issue.

Goff's feet were excellent in college and were pretty good early on here. Has he maintained great feet? I'm not sure i've been too busy watching his quick release deteriorate.

We're going to see quicker tempo with Stafford in there, as we saw with Wolford IMO. I think it will be immediately recognized.

At the beginning of the 2019 season Goff was holding the ball very low. In 2017 and 2018 he was practicing in the Summer with QB guru Tom House. Maybe he wasn’t in 2019 & 2020

That does not account for his inability to process after his initial play call is taken away. It also does not account for his lack of feeling pressure, which by all accounts he had in college.

I think it was Merlin that shared a link to Farrar’s article from after 2018. He said Goff showed the same bad traits in the NFL that Farrar had noticed in college. It’s a good article.

 

[Tano]

To be honest, I am not that good with seeing passing mechanics. So that is one area that I wouldn't be able to notice with Stafford.

I now wonder why the coaching staff didn't stress that in practice to fix his release if he was doing it in 2017 and 2018. Or if they did, then I don't know what then.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Hasn't anybody learned that using the Patriots as a baseline for statistical/team building/success comparison just doesn't work? Brady/Belichick...it's it's own thing. Was it's own thing. Lol
So Brady had success without a defense or running game once...doesn't compute or matter.

Was there a worse rushing team in the NFL over the last 12 years than the Detroit Lions? Research time for Mojo.

Does that matter to the QB not named Brady? Hell yes it does.