Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

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Elmgrovegnome

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It probably had to do with the 3 year limit on futures trades. Rams can't trade a first rounder this year so only had 2 they could offer. And obviously that's not enough for Watson.


Agreed. And honestly I get the anger. I think there's a bias out there against Stafford, a kind of block in people's minds, that is similar to the block that people had with Goff which we have complained about for years. I had it too, the guy I had in my mind is completely different from the real guy on tape who was one of few bright spots on a poor roster in Detroit. After the trade I watched some of his film across some 2020 games and was so excited afterward that I couldn't sleep. Still slept like shit last night too.

Lot of the same people who are so angry would be over this shit already if it was Watson. But the issue here is moving Goff for a guy who is relatively close to him, and by that I mean they are statistically in the same group. Problem is the Goff that people have in their heads is not the Goff who just got traded. Now maybe he gets back to that and I think Jrry and others could end up being right. But either way his window here timed out, we all got different feels for why that happened, but it happened and we're gonna move on and watch Stafford slay it in this offense.


Without a doubt. People doubling and tripling down in defense of a guy who is a shadow of his two year ago self. Then they see the reality and can't process it.

It's gonna take more time. But not gonna lie I'm feeling right now like we're seeing an extended tantrum and it's tiring.

Agreed. Stafford is so much better than some give him credit for. Just watching him elude the pass rush is more than I could have desired, but doing it while looking down field and going through all of his progressions has me very excited. This is the best I felt about the Rams chances of reaching a Super Bowl, Since the GSOT days.
 

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I think the point is that the draft is still a crapshoot.

Of course, injury can derail anyone - but we KNOW that Ramsey is elite. It’s not an educated guess like it is taking the #1 corner on Mel Kiper’s board.

We KNOW Stafford can play. Even Jacksonville, with the #1 pick overall, doesn’t have as sure of a thing.

And we are talking about picks that are most likely at the end of round 1.
 

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Bottom line. If I can root for Billy Devanney, Steve Spagnoula, and Sam Bradford, Jeff Fisher, Case Keenum, and an endless string of lousy Rams, then I can root for Les Snead, Sean McVay and Matt Stafford.
My God taking things into your own hands and rooting for who you want to. Whats next portable phones?
 

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By that logic we shouldn't draft anyone if you expect failure.

In fact why trade for Stafford...it might fail. Could get hurt etc...

No. By that logic, I'd rather have a player who has proven he can do something in the league over taking a chance on someone who has not. That is, as long as it's cap feasible.

If it's all considered a gamble anyway, give me the known vs. the unknown.
 

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Larry Fitzgerald can elevate the play of a good QB but he didn’t make any of those guys that you named a franchise QB. It goes both ways. One hand washes the other.

Well, we're agreed. My point was that when it comes to a running game vs. one of the greatest WRs of all time, there's room for disagreement on which helps a QB more.
 

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Without a doubt. People doubling and tripling down in defense of a guy who is a shadow of his two year ago self. Then they see the reality and can't process it.

It's gonna take more time. But not gonna lie I'm feeling right now like we're seeing an extended tantrum and it's tiring.

Or we simply don't agree with your "reality." But yeah, I don't want to be the negative asshole who endlessly rains on everybody else's parade. I've blocked enough people on this forum for being that way. I'm going to take a break and let people enjoy the trade. But I will end with the point that it's crappy of you to relegate other people's disagreement with the decision/your opinion on this matter to just an "extended tantrum." I don't do the same with your opinions when we disagree.
 

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Or we simply don't agree with your "reality." But yeah, I don't want to be the negative asshole who endlessly rains on everybody else's parade. I've blocked enough people on this forum for being that way. I'm going to take a break and let people enjoy the trade. But I will end with the point that it's crappy of you to relegate other people's disagreement with the decision/your opinion on this matter to just an "extended tantrum." I don't do the same with your opinions when we disagree.
I think in some ways its pointless to argue about something that is already done and that we have no real say in. Much like the move or the topic of Bradford. Minds wont be changed here. i am hoping you reconsider and stay your insight and general sports knowledge along with Ramfandom is much appreciated.
 

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I saw a Lions graphic showing their league rank in both total defense and total rushing offense since 2011

Defense/Off. Rushing
23rd/29th
27th/23rd
15th/17th
3rd/28th
23rd/32nd
13th/30th
21st/32nd
16th/23rd
26th/21st
32nd/30th

This is QB purgatory. I knew it was bad but wasn't prepared for just how bad it's been for Stafford. Basically the 2019 Rams with poorer coaching for 12 years. It's one thing to have a subpar or even average defense putting pressure on the offense to score and win, most QB's have to deal with that. It's the lack of run game that really stands out here. Pitiful. Non-existent. Zero support which is important even for the best of the best QB's, not to mention for the Goff's and Stafford's of the league.

The same graphic for the Rams with Goff since 2016

Total defense/Off rushing
9th/31st
19th/8th
19th/3rd
13th/26th
1st/10th

I would argue that the run game has been more important to Goff's success/failure than the defense here. Not really an Earth shattering observation, but the point is that after the '19 season, the Rams elevated the defense to elite levels. Rams also clearly corrected the team rushing failures and Goff and the offense responded with regression. Why? As a head coach you have to point the finger at the QB.

JMO
 

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Or we simply don't agree with your "reality." But yeah, I don't want to be the negative asshole who endlessly rains on everybody else's parade. I've blocked enough people on this forum for being that way. I'm going to take a break and let people enjoy the trade. But I will end with the point that it's crappy of you to relegate other people's disagreement with the decision/your opinion on this matter to just an "extended tantrum." I don't do the same with your opinions when we disagree.
Fair point. Looking forward to you and some others getting back in here and rooting going forward my man.
 

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Two first round picks at #26 equal in value 1400 points. The same as Washington’s offer. Each added a third.

The difference is the Rams added Goff and Detroit agreed to take the rest of the contract, even the guaranteed money.

Two first round picks at 26 in this current year would be worth 1400pts. Remember, future draft pick value equates to about a full round less for every year out!!

So if you look at the 26th pick of rounds 2&3. That would approximately represent our 2022 and 2023 first rounders.

320points.....140points

And they took Goff's entire contract lol
 

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Two first round picks at 26 in this current year would be worth 1400pts. Remember, future draft pick value equates to about a full round less for every year out!!

So if you look at the 26th pick of rounds 2&3. That would approximately represent our 2022 and 2023 first rounders.

320points.....140points

And they took Goff's entire contract lol
Stafford and Goffs contracts are pretty much a wash for the next two years so let's keep that out of the discussion. I have already pointed out that Detroit is only accountable for 25M of Goffs contract for the next 3 years and they have an out if they want next year for only 15 Million and nothing in 2023. And I think Goff is definitely worth 25 million compared to the other QBs making 25 million.
 

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Or we simply don't agree with your "reality." But yeah, I don't want to be the negative asshole who endlessly rains on everybody else's parade. I've blocked enough people on this forum for being that way. I'm going to take a break and let people enjoy the trade. But I will end with the point that it's crappy of you to relegate other people's disagreement with the decision/your opinion on this matter to just an "extended tantrum." I don't do the same with your opinions when we disagree.
Catch you when you're back. Always enjoy your input (y):cheers2:
 

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I saw a Lions graphic showing their league rank in both total defense and total rushing offense since 2011

Defense/Off. Rushing
23rd/29th
27th/23rd
15th/17th
3rd/28th
23rd/32nd
13th/30th
21st/32nd
16th/23rd
26th/21st
32nd/30th
This is QB purgatory. I knew it was bad but wasn't prepared for just how bad it's been for Stafford. Basically the 2019 Rams with poorer coaching for 12 years. It's one thing to have a subpar or even average defense putting pressure on the offense to score and win, most QB's have to deal with that. It's the lack of run game that really stands out here. Pitiful. Non-existent. Zero support which is important even for the best of the best QB's, not to mention for the Goff's and Stafford's of the league.

The same graphic for the Rams with Goff since 2016

Total defense/Off rushing
9th/31st
19th/8th
19th/3rd
13th/26th
1st/10th

I would argue that the run game has been more important to Goff's success/failure than the defense here. Not really an Earth shattering observation, but the point is that after the '19 season, the Rams elevated the defense to elite levels. Rams also clearly corrected the team rushing failures and Goff and the offense responded with regression. Why? As a head coach you have to point the finger at the QB.

JMO

Wow thats crazy.

A lot of talk about Staffords lack of playoff success too. This AM saw a graphic that said in Safford's three playoff games(0-3), his defense has given up an average of 31.7ppg.
 

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Two first round picks at 26 in this current year would be worth 1400pts. Remember, future draft pick value equates to about a full round less for every year out!!

So if you look at the 26th pick of rounds 2&3. That would approximately represent our 2022 and 2023 first rounders.

320points.....140points

And they took Goff's entire contract lol

It almost feels like Snead fleeced them. Maybe Holmes is pissed about the Dorsey thing and said screw it. I know the Rams will take me back when I’m fired
 
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