Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

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Elmgrovegnome

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That's semantics. We can only view Stafford on what he does with McVay. Our offense was stale and if bringing Stafford in is causing McVay to change things for the better, then it's a benefit to the team.
Aikman repeatedly claimed that because of Goff McVay was always trying to be too perfect.

Here is a possibility of fans reading less into things than what is really happening. Many of us made the deduction that McVay began using roll outs to get Goff away from the interior pass rush. If you recall the Niners did the same thing with Kaepernick. But the reason. Was to simplify the offense by giving him only half the field to read. What is that was part of the reason McVay did it with Goff. I recall after ne loss McVay saying to the press that our quarterback has to see the field better, or he’s not seeing the field well.Goff did have open receivers that were not thrown to often this season.
Then we here that McVay is excited to get Stafford and it means he can really open the playbook. So Goff apparently was limiting the playbook, not just the Oline play like many thought. So if McVay adds plays will he really be adding them or will he just be using more of what he wished he could have with Goff?

Then there is the other issue of Goff not being able to adjust well when defenses would change to a different look before the snap, which is another thing Goff struggled with and Stafford is supposedly good at....improvising.
 

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It just occurred to me...McVay is only two years older than Stafford. Maybe he just wanted someone closer to his own age in the neighborhood to play with.
 

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Aikman repeatedly claimed that because of Goff McVay was always trying to be too perfect.

Here is a possibility of fans reading less into things than what is really happening. Many of us made the deduction that McVay began using roll outs to get Goff away from the interior pass rush. If you recall the Niners did the same thing with Kaepernick. But the reason. Was to simplify the offense by giving him only half the field to read. What is that was part of the reason McVay did it with Goff. I recall after ne loss McVay saying to the press that our quarterback has to see the field better, or he’s not seeing the field well.Goff did have open receivers that were not thrown to often this season.
Then we here that McVay is excited to get Stafford and it means he can really open the playbook. So Goff apparently was limiting the playbook, not just the Oline play like many thought. So if McVay adds plays will he really be adding them or will he just be using more of what he wished he could have with Goff?

Then there is the other issue of Goff not being able to adjust well when defenses would change to a different look before the snap, which is another thing Goff struggled with and Stafford is supposedly good at....improvising.
As others have stated, Aikman did not like how Goff played and would put him down any chance he gets. Even when Goff did something extremely well, Aikman would downplay it.

So whatever Aikman says I take with a grain of salt.

Was Aikman one of those many people who called Goff a bust after 2016 and could never get over the fact that Goff played at a Pro Bowl level 2017 and 2018.

I also take with a grain of salt about Goff not being able to read defenses.

I have seen Goff throw excellent passes time after time when he has time.

In the Seattle game, (I keep going back to this), there were only three plays that I recall that Goff should have read the play better. No one else was open in that game except for who he eventually went to. He made the right call each and every time.

I think the main reason McVay had to change the play calls so much is that the OL would not allow for long developing plays especially since Goff's mobility is so poor. And that's probably why he wants Stafford so much because Stafford is a much more mobile QB that will allow McVay to go back to calling plays the way he wants to. Stafford is a mobile Goff without quite the accuracy that Goff has but with a better arm that can make throws that only a few QBs can make.

So yes getting Stafford will be an upgrade for McVay and it is best to move on from Goff since McVay clearly wants a mobile QB. Look at how excited he was about Wolford when Wolford only got us 9 points against the Cardinals when Goff moved up and down the field all day against the Cardinals. Wolford did well and twice we couldn't score in the red zone but McVay was just gushing about the mobility.
 

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Hmm - could Jrry be right and QBs dramatically improve after their 5th year.

Unlike a lot of other people, I will be following Goff to see if he can improve even being on a crappy Detroit team.

I will try not to I told you so though if he does dramatically improve.

I will keep it to myself as best I can. (That's going to be really hard.)

It's saying stats alone don't dictate the situation. @jrry32 has a lot of great analysis and opinions, but when it comes to this one I don't agree. Of course Brady, Manning, and Brees would improved in their 6th year, they are all time greats and have all been known by both players and coaches to do the work necessary to get there and have the football smarts to be leaders on the field. It appears that to this point Goff has not. Maybe in Detroit that changes as this is definitely a final wake up call.
 

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It's saying stats alone don't dictate the situation. @jrry32 has a lot of great analysis and opinions, but when it comes to this one I don't agree. Of course Brady, Manning, and Brees would improved in their 6th year, they are all time greats and have all been known by both players and coaches to do the work necessary to get there and have the football smarts to be leaders on the field. It appears that to this point Goff has not.
We shall see.
 

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The consensus on Stafford by professional hot take artists on ESPN, Twitter, etc compared to the opinion of ppl that played with him and against him could not be more different. All these analysts and “journalists” keep making comparisons to Kirk Cousins and Jay Cutler and Jameis Winston. Then you have everyone that actually played with or against him who’s been like “no, no, Stafford is a legit great player that’s been stuck in football hell for a decade. He’s about to be an MVP candidate”.

I know whose opinion I value more!
 

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I’ve watched as much “Film” (YouTube highlights) as I could find on Stafford...he seems to play a lot out of the shotgun wonder if McVay adapts that or puts him under center more
 

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I’ve watched as much “Film” (YouTube highlights) as I could find on Stafford...he seems to play a lot out of the shotgun wonder if McVay adapts that or puts him under center more
I watched the first game last year and part of the second game and he does play under center quite a bit as well. However, Detroit appeared to almost always run the ball when he was under center (well quite a bit anyway). I think their running game was so poor since Detroit's OC wouldn't change up on that. McVay does a lot of play action so I can see Stafford playing much more under center than with Detroit.
 

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The consensus on Stafford by professional hot take artists on ESPN, Twitter, etc compared to the opinion of ppl that played with him and against him could not be more different. All these analysts and “journalists” keep making comparisons to Kirk Cousins and Jay Cutler and Jameis Winston. Then you have everyone that actually played with or against him who’s been like “no, no, Stafford is a legit great player that’s been stuck in football hell for a decade. He’s about to be an MVP candidate”.

I know whose opinion I value more!
Don't leave me hanging
 

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It’s true. No other team operates like like this organization. Rams know that in order for them to compete in LA they need to bring championships. This video pumped me up even more!
One thing is certain about this trade. More Dodger fans will be rooting for the Rams this year simply because of Stafford.
 

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I have no idea why he did that throw.

I have already stated that is one of the stupidest throws I have ever seen anyone make.

I am wondering if Goff was already feeling the pressure from McVay and was trying to do too much.

Completely and utterly stupid pass.

That’s the kind of play that leaves no doubt in your mind; Goff isn’t going to get us there again. Regression defined!
 

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Need to start being more active here than just footballsfuture. I really really believe this is a win for both teams (obviously injury pending). The Rams window is right now. What a nice feeling to consistently be in win mode versus Rams prior to McVay. I think fans overvalue draft picks in the day and age of Kiper and McShay. Because it's no secret, the draft is fun.

The Lions got a bridge QB and capital for the future. They chose the Rams over offers like the 8th pick to not burn bridges. Good on Holmes.

We got a QB who is undisputedly better. A lot better? Maybe, maybe not. But all we need is to be two games better. This can get us there. Give me the proof at the most important position in sports over the 21 year old guesses.

All in all, draft IOL.
 

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That’s the kind of play that leaves no doubt in your mind; Goff isn’t going to get us there again. Regression defined!
I disagree. Although, it was a horrible pass, we could have easily gone on to the superbowl.

As I have stated many times - we were a dropped Reynolds pass from going on to possibly tie the game against Green Bay and possibly winning that game.

We would have had the momentum if he caught that pass.

Then Tampa Bay - I think Donald would have been healthier for that game and we would beat Brady. 3 interceptions against Green Bay?
 

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We are not trading or cutting Whitworth. He either retires or lines up at LT to protect Stafford's blindside. Also, who do we have to replace Havenstein?


Whitworth, Havenstein and Brockers being released or traded would clear almost half of their CAP deficit. Noteboom proved he can play LT at this level. Edwards is out of position as a OG his build and feet are OT not OG. Edwards would be an upgrade to swinging door Havenstein.

LT Noteboom
LG Corbett
C Shelton
RG Evans
RT Edwards

I'm sorry but Whitworth's age is showing. He can play but he's no longer the elite LT he used to be. Rob's play always has been spotty but when he's targeted he's dead meat. Blythe simply lacks mobility and sand to pass block. Shelton plays with a mean aggression and is far better blocking on the second level than Blythe. Evans has the prototypical build and feet of an OG. He lacks the feet and length to play OT in the NFL.

IMO that is the o-line they projected when they drafted Noteboom and Edwards and Evans. Time to play them and see if Snead was right. I feel that if played in those positions this could be a very good power gap blocking o-line making McVay's play-action passes even more effective.
 
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