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Good post @Rmfnlt and on these two points I will add this.

Not enough good safety help, there is no reason a player should get 12 catches on 15 targets for over 200 yards. That's freaking terrible defense and he should have gotten more attention from Wade. That's his job, it was obvious Peters couldn't cover him very early on and no adjustment to get him help.

Donald got 4 hits on on Brees..........the rest of the team got ZERO. Brees had way to much time and picked the Rams apart on midrange passes.
Yup... I agree. It shouldn't have taken Phillips too long to realize Thomas can't be left alone with Peters (or anyone, for that matter - they guy is REALLY good!)

And, while a more difficult task to overcome, Phillips needed a way to get more pressure on Brees quickly. But that was a tricky one... Brees was getting the ball out so fast that, probably, the only way was to blitz and Brees probably would have made them pay.

Can't stand seeing those pursed lips on Payton.. but I have to admit, he came up with a very effective game plan for the Rams. It was up to Phillips to out-think him... he didn't.

The secondary had to play lights out yesterday to have a good chance of winning. And Job #1 had to be to shut down their most effective weapon. Lose if I must, but I'm not going to lose allowing their #1 WR to get 12/over 200! I'm just not!
 

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Just to add a little wrinkle to this debate, it seems like the secondary is very often communicating up to (and in the case of the blown coverage by Peters) and after the ball is snapped. I don't know who's fault that is but it seems like the defense is not getting set fast enough. And I've noticed that this entire season so far. Have mentioned it in past game day threads. Peters was motioning to several people when the ball was snapped on the last touchdown. It has been suggested on twitter by some media that Peters was covering up for other players. We've ALL noticed the lack of safety support at times. And now I'm starting to wonder if there isn't a larger issue than Peters but just the secondary not being on the same page. Can't excuse Peters for not being set in time that's on him but you have to wonder if he's expecting more help there and at other times.

Evidence presented.
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View: https://twitter.com/NFL_Journal/status/1059428551903100928
 

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Just to add a little wrinkle to this debate, it seems like the secondary is very often communicating up to (and in the case of the blown coverage by Peters) and after the ball is snapped. I don't know who's fault that is but it seems like the defense is not getting set fast enough. And I've noticed that this entire season so far. Have mentioned it in past game day threads. Peters was motioning to several people when the ball was snapped on the last touchdown. It has been suggested on twitter by some media that Peters was covering up for other players. We've ALL noticed the lack of safety support at times. And now I'm starting to wonder if there isn't a larger issue than Peters but just the secondary not being on the same page. Can't excuse Peters for not being set in time that's on him but you have to wonder if he's expecting more help there and at other times.

Evidence presented.
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View: https://twitter.com/NFL_Journal/status/1059428551903100928

Great point...

My son's friend who was watching with us (and is a BUFF fan, so no horse in the race) said (paraphrasing): Your Secondary looks lost... they're all over the place yelling at each other. It doesn't look like they know what they're doing.

Now, I get it that they have to make adjustments right up till the ball is snapped... but, comparing them to other teams? They do look a little more disorganized.
 

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Phillips has not been living up to his reputation. Not by a long shot. After getting his way and unloading guys and bringing his in, Rams D has gotten worse.

Rams gave up 164 points after 9 games last season, 200 this season. 36 more points. He has a DB that is a rouge and continues to get burned game after game and continues to run him out there. I don't know who is next man up, but he sure as hell can't be any worse than Peters.

I'm just not impressed with Phillips coaching.
 

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After getting his way and unloading guys and bringing his in, Rams D has gotten worse.
Are we missing any of the guys who were "unloaded"? Rams D may be underperforming, but there's nobody that "got away" who we are pining for, that's for sure
 

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I'm just not impressed with Phillips coaching.

I think the questioning of Phillips is a bit out of line. Peters is doing his own thing and it's why he was available in the first place. Hill is the same old inconsistent player in coverage. Shields can't come up and make tackles and is also inconsistent in coverage. This roster from a coverage aspect is a damn mess without Talib drawing the top weapon and serving as a rock back there with comms.

He doesn't even have what he needs at LB. It's a good young LB in Littleton and a bunch of guys. No edge rush. $46.2M tied up in three interior DL. Etc, etc.

Wade has not forgotten what he knew a couple years ago when he won the Super Bowl. Get him and that staff some good young talent who will take coaching.
 

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Yup... I agree. It shouldn't have taken Phillips too long to realize Thomas can't be left alone with Peters (or anyone, for that matter - they guy is REALLY good!)

And, while a more difficult task to overcome, Phillips needed a way to get more pressure on Brees quickly. But that was a tricky one... Brees was getting the ball out so fast that, probably, the only way was to blitz and Brees probably would have made them pay.

Can't stand seeing those pursed lips on Payton.. but I have to admit, he came up with a very effective game plan for the Rams. It was up to Phillips to out-think him... he didn't.

The secondary had to play lights out yesterday to have a good chance of winning. And Job #1 had to be to shut down their most effective weapon. Lose if I must, but I'm not going to lose allowing their #1 WR to get 12/over 200! I'm just not!

as good as the saints gameplan was, a few drives could have been stopped if the rams players knew how to tackle. well we know they know how to tackle so the effort wasn't there. joyner being the worst culprit.

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I think the questioning of Phillips is a bit out of line. Peters is doing his own thing and it's why he was available in the first place. Hill is the same old inconsistent player in coverage. Shields can't come up and make tackles and is also inconsistent in coverage. This roster from a coverage aspect is a damn mess without Talib drawing the top weapon and serving as a rock back there with comms.

He doesn't even have what he needs at LB. It's a good young LB in Littleton and a bunch of guys. No edge rush. $46.2M tied up in three interior DL. Etc, etc.

Wade has not forgotten what he knew a couple years ago when he won the Super Bowl. Get him and that staff some good young talent who will take coaching.

Agreed, it's all about getting to the playoffs healthy. Get a 100% Talib back hopefully and stick him on the #1 receiver. Fowler providing much needed edge pressure. And Wade being able to focus help to the other coverage with Talib back and this defense will be adequate enough to hold teams to less points than our offense will score. Just got to ride the regular season healthy knock on wood.
 

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There were no "Wade sucks", "Peters sucks", "Suh sucks", "Joyner sucks" or "Defense sucks", "Goff's not the GOAT yet", 'McVay makes bad coaching decisions", ad naseum... posts till we lost.
Maybe the occasional comment, questions, but nothing like this.

Funny that....

How about the other guys get paid as well - trite, but true.

R E L A X
 

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C'mon Vegas, its our job as fans to rag on the coaching staff after a loss.:hiding:

Improvements take time, I get that, and I'm happy as a pig in muck with the Rams after 15 years of bottom feeding.
 

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C'mon Vegas, its our job as fans to rag on the coaching staff after a loss.:hiding:

Improvements take time, I get that, and I'm happy as a pig in muck with the Rams after 15 years of bottom feeding.

Amen brotha bubba.
Just commenting on the commentary that wasn’t there after wins, even though I toatally agree it’s been an issue for a month.

I saw Johnny U play against Billy Wade in 1958 - my first game - so long story short, I‘m in high cotton right now.

Just bein’ my asshole self.

Cheers!
 

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you might want to cover your eyes. this is gonna be scary.

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2018/...marcus-peters-week-9-new-orleans-saints-recap

All fair questions, but the Rams need to figure out a way to help Peters reach the potential he’s capable of. Now, it doesn’t obviously just fall on the staff. At the end of the day, you can only help a player so much, He still needs to be able to perform on his own. But the stats from PFF highlight what kind of a year he’s had:

Week 1:

6 targets, 3 receptions allowed, 50% catch rate, 25 yards allowed, 0 touchdowns allowed, 1 interception, 1 touchdown scored

Week 2:
2 targets, 1 reception allowed, 50% catch rate, 0 yards allowed, 0 touchdowns allowed,

Week 3:
3 targets, 2 receptions allowed, 66.7% catch rate, 69 yards allowed, 1 touchdown allowed

Week 4:
8 targets, 7 receptions allowed, 87.5% catch rate, 103 yards allowed, 1 touchdowns allowed

Week 5:
6 targets, 5 receptions allowed, 83.3% catch rate, 83 yards allowed, 3 touchdowns allowed, 1 penalty

Week 6:
2 targets, 2 receptions allowed, 100% catch rate, 16 yards allowed, 0 touchdowns allowed, 2 penalties

Week 7:
0 targets, 0 receptions allowed, 0% catch rate, 0 yards allowed, 0 touchdowns allowed

Week 8:
11 targets, 7 receptions allowed, 63.6% catch rate, 149 yards allowed, 0 touchdowns allowed

Week 9:
15 targets, 12 receptions, 80% catch rate, 211 yards allowed, 1 touchdown allowed

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every good qb has torched him relentlessly.

rivers, cousins, oompa, rodgers, brees.

not good.

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There were no "Wade sucks", "Peters sucks", "Suh sucks", "Joyner sucks" or "Defense sucks", "Goff's not the GOAT yet", 'McVay makes bad coaching decisions", ad naseum... posts till we lost.
Maybe the occasional comment, questions, but nothing like this.

Funny that....

How about the other guys get paid as well - trite, but true.

R E L A X

This year, nobody seems to be consistent on defense. I had to look up the league leaders, because no team has jumped out at me, off the top of my head.

The Rams are 10th in points per game allowed... not exactly the cellar... even though it feels like we are playing really poorly on D.

Heck... the mighty Saints are giving up 27 points per game. That’s 5 more points per game on average than us... which is crazy.

So, if we’re concerned... they should be really concerned.
 

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-what-happened-to-marcus-peters

What happened to Marcus Peters?
BY BEN COOPER

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Nov 4, 2018; New Orleans, LA, USA; New Orleans Saints wide receiver Michael Thomas (13) hauls in a touchdown catch that went over the head of Los Angeles Rams cornerback Marcus Peters (22) in the fourth quarter at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome. Saints won, 45-35. Mandatory Credit: Chuck Cook-USA TODAY Sports

Just a season ago, then-Kansas City Chiefs cornerback Marcus Peters was thriving. He graded as the 14th best corner in the regular season at 80.7 and stymied opposing quarterbacks who dared to throw at him — allowing a 66.0 passer rating (15th). He continued to rack up interceptions — it was his third straight year with five or more.

But after being traded to the Los Angeles Rams this past offseason, Peters has struggled amid his team’s formidable defense (and offense). In the team’s first loss to the New Orleans Saints, Peters’ deficiencies were exacerbated.

Aside from the Rams’ game against the San Francisco 49ers, where he wasn’t targeted all game, Peters has allowed a passer rating of 100.0 or more in six of eight games when he’s the primary defender in coverage. He only had five such instances last year, and the situation appears even more concerning: He has already allowed six touchdowns, two more than he gave up in 2017, and has only one interception to show for it.

Peters was unable to control Saints wide receiver, Michael Thomas. After allowing six catches on eight targets to Thomas ranging anywhere from seven to 19 yards, Peters was beaten big when it mattered most late in the fourth quarter. Thomas simply ran past Peters in press coverage, and quarterback Drew Brees threw over Peters’ head into Thomas’ waiting arms for a 72-yard score that was the final dagger to the previously undefeated Rams.

The Rams don’t have much to worry about at 8-1, but Peters’ uncharacteristic poor play could become a decisive factor come playoff time. He’s matched up against big-name receivers thus far: Thomas (90.7 grade), Davante Adams(82.5 grade) and Adam Thielen (90.8 grade).

It’s a likely possibility that he’ll have to go another round against at least one of them when January rolls around. In the past two weeks, Peters has been targeted 20 times — tied for the most among cornerbacks in that span. Opposing quarterbacks have clearly taken notice his downfall.

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That raises the obvious question: What changed for Marcus Peters? Or rather, what changed around Marcus Peters? For one, the big-play receivers he’s followed this year are seeing more targets (and more accurate targets) than the ones he stuck with a year ago.

For example, in 2017, Antonio Brown was targeted just three times in Peters’ coverage for a measly two receptions for 14 yards. Brown finished with eight catches for 155 yards and a touchdown in that game, so clearly, Peters was at his best. DeVante Parker was targeted seven times against Peters in 2017, but only four were deemed catchable, and just two were caught.

This year, he’s seen nine targets (seven catchable) against Thomas, six (five catchable) against Adams and four (three catchable) against Thielen. In other words, NFC quarterbacks are testing Peters more than ever before with accurate throws, and he’s not coming away with interceptions, or success in general, at the rate he’s been used to.

In his rookie year, Peters was targeted a league-high 137 times (and he was the most targeted cornerback from 2015-2017). Peters had nine picks that year despite allowing eight touchdowns, compared to just one interception this season.

Also, he only allowed opposing signal-callers to complete 50.4% of those throws in his coverage. This season, that number has ballooned to 72.3%. As for why the discrepancy between that year and this year exists is hard to say. But it appears that Peters’ move to the NFC may have something to do with it.

Through nine weeks, Peters has a 45.6 grade which ranks 106th of 111 cornerbacks, and his near-perfect passer rating allowed of 145.6 is 107th. He’s also already allowed more yards in coverage this year than in all of 2017. It’s been a staggering tumble from stardom for him — but it’s truly the best-case scenario as he attempts to make the climb back to glory.

His team is considered a title contender and his offense and defensive line are playing lights out. Now, it’s a matter of whether Peters can get right in the next seven weeks before his team has to prove itself in a playoff run.
 

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Yeah the certainly isn't any sky if falling for this team.. but Marcus Peters is definitely one dude who has fallen out of the sky with a crash.
 

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Just to add a little wrinkle to this debate, it seems like the secondary is very often communicating up to (and in the case of the blown coverage by Peters) and after the ball is snapped. I don't know who's fault that is but it seems like the defense is not getting set fast enough. And I've noticed that this entire season so far. Have mentioned it in past game day threads. Peters was motioning to several people when the ball was snapped on the last touchdown. It has been suggested on twitter by some media that Peters was covering up for other players. We've ALL noticed the lack of safety support at times. And now I'm starting to wonder if there isn't a larger issue than Peters but just the secondary not being on the same page. Can't excuse Peters for not being set in time that's on him but you have to wonder if he's expecting more help there and at other times.

Evidence presented.
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View: https://twitter.com/NFL_Journal/status/1059428551903100928


You could very well be right. He might have looked confused because that might have been a blown assignment by someone else.
What confuses me about that tho is NRC, JJ, and Joyner are all vets at this point. Two of them being seasoned vets. It's hard for me to believe that they would make that glaring of a mistake. I also think if they were making mistakes like that Wade would bench them.
The weirdest part is Brees throws the ball to Thomas 80% of the time. That's right, 80%. That's not a made up stat. Why would we be bracketing their slot WR when we know where the ball is going?

You point out some good things here and it's something we should all look at. If Peters is expecting help over the top or for Thomas to be bracketed and he's not. I can see why he would be confused and not set.

Good Catch.