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This whole situation has made me dislike Fisher. First of all how do you expect someone to win the job playing with the 2nd and 3rd string? Its like it was a stacked deck. He's been sacked and pressure constantly and had how many drops? 20? But Fisher demoting him to 3rd string after a fumbled snap, which I think was a weak snap, and just a tipped pass I think was a huge overreaction. I think theres conflict between Goff and Fisher about all this too. Goff just isnt being vocal about it.
 

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Although you can't possibly know that, I hope you're right. The reason you can't possibly know that is because (a) you're not him and (b) he hasn't been in a situation with this much pressure and against this much high-level opposing talent. .

You must've missed the Jon Gruden QB show with Goff. He has been through this before with 1-11 Cal. He got knocked around a lot at first.
 

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A question Orchid.. Have you seen every one of JG's college snaps from his Freshman and Sophomore seasons? Or have you just seen his Junior year and his preseason snaps with the Rams? Doesn't make me right or wrong because I'm just a message board coach like everyone else. But it is important to me to know this when fellow Rams fans have a strong view on JG and why they have certain views that I can respect either way.....

Not before he was rated highly. Yes I made it a point to watch every game on you tube for hm and WENTZ. Always thought Wentz was better trained and would do better sooner.
 

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I think it's very unrealistic to have expected to know what we have in Goff until at least a couple years at best. QB is something that takes a while. We weren't going to win this year with him. With Case we have a chance to though, so I'm good with all this.
 

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If he's ready, sure. I'd even want to see Mannion in that situation.
What I'm not in favor of is going from bad to worse just because a guy was drafted in a certain spot.
Having played in the past myself, I can tell you I absolutely hate the idea of entitlement.

Earn it.

That is a fair take and I respect your view... I will not debate that Keenum hasn't earned the job based on camp and preseason. I'm just hoping after a couple of games if the passing game looks more of the same like in 2015 that Fisher will put JG on the field asap. (for reasons I have already explained)

Mannion for me is a whole different conversation and we don't know if he's really going to be the #2 QB in 7 days until we see who the dressed 46 are at Frisco. If Mannion is the true #2 for the first couple of games it will be a closed door on JG for his rookie season barring injuries etc.

Either way I support the Rams starters and I'm a fan of wins first and always will be. JG's day will come and I will hold out faith it will be this season but not at the expense of the Rams loosing. Thanks for your humble response -X-

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You must've missed the Jon Gruden QB show with Goff. He has been through this before with 1-11 Cal. He got knocked around a lot at firs

There is a difference. Tell me a QB from that system that has made the transition to the pros. He may have the talent, brains and guts to succeed, but he will be the first.
 

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Not before he was rated highly. Yes I made it a point to watch every game on you tube for hm and WENTZ. Always thought Wentz was better trained and would do better sooner.

Oh really? So you have seen every game and snap of his Freshman and Sophomore year? every snap? ON YOUTUBE? hmmm that is very interesting Orchid..

You can post these youtube links of his 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th and 8th game from Youtube from his Freshman year.. And any 6 games of your choice from his sophomore year. And they need to show every snap not highlights. I gotta see this to believe it.........
 

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Oh really? So you have seen every game and snap of his Freshman and Sophomore year? every snap? ON YOUTUBE? hmmm that is very interesting Orchid..

He didn't say that. He said "... I made it a point to watch every game on you tube for hm and WENTZ..."
 

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If Mannion is the true #2 for the first couple of games it will be a closed door on JG for his rookie season barring injuries etc.

The facts as of now are that Goff is the 3rd QB according to Fisher.

Their goal is to win football games. To do that you focus on preparing the starting QB and to a much lessor extent you prepare your number 2 QB in case your number one goes down. If you do not you are handicapping your team. The defense and other veterans would not like this.

Teams usually have a scout defensive team and a scout offensive team. You only have 10 practice squad players, so 12 of the 53 man roster will be on one of the scout teams helping the guys who will play get ready. Goff will get more meaningful reps running the Seahawks, Cardinals and Bucs scout team reps.

This situation is on Goff. You did not beat out Mannion week one. Now it is not about making you better, its about making the teams top 2 Qbs better so we can go 2-2 the first 4 games.
 

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You must've missed the Jon Gruden QB show with Goff. He has been through this before with 1-11 Cal. He got knocked around a lot at first.
No, I saw it. I've seen all of them. And let me clear something up, because it doesn't appear that people think I'm aware that there are talented QBs in college. I know there are. And I know that all QBs experience adversity in college, and all of them get knocked around. What doesn't always translate is success at the NFL level. It's currently less than 50% for first round QBs over the past 20 years. While it would be nice to know for sure that Goff is on the right side of that fifty percentile, the truth is nobody knows that for sure. So that said, the smartest way to improve his odds is to play him when he's ready. Not before.
 

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The facts as of now are that Goff is the 3rd QB according to Fisher.

This situation is on Goff. You did not beat out Mannion week one. Now it is not about making you better, its about making the teams top 2 Qbs better so we can go 2-2 the first 4 games.

I'm not disputing Mannion and I will respect your view Orchid.... Now about my request...

So you have seen every game and snap of his Freshman and Sophomore year? every snap? ON YOUTUBE? hmmm that is very interesting Orchid..

You can post these youtube links of his 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th and 8th game from Youtube from his Freshman year.. And any 6 games of your choice from his sophomore year. And they need to show every snap not highlights. I gotta see this to believe it.........
 

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September 2, 2016Leave a commentLos Angeles Rams, NFL OffenseBy Jon Ledyard


As preseason comes to a close, people rush to sort things, sufficient information be dratted, and Los Angeles Rams #1 pick Jared Goff is not immune. Jon Ledyard takes a look at Jared Goff’s preseason to contextualize this struggles and concludes that there is no need to hit the panic button yet.
When the Los Angeles Rams made Jared Goff the first overall pick in the 2016 draft, trading away a plethora of picks in the process, the selection came with the expectation that the former California Golden Bears passer would become the face of the newly relocated franchise.

What the Rams didn’t specify, of course, was when that transition would occur, or how soon they wanted Goff to helm the offense that finished dead last in passing yards per game last season.

Many long-suffering L.A. fans obviously expected (Read: hoped) the move would come immediately, eager to see their young signal caller at work in the same backfield as 2015 offensive rookie of the year Todd Gurley. Jeff Fisher had other ideas, however, naming Case Keenum the starter in June and saying Goff would start “whenever he was ready.”

Still, one would have assumed that Goff would get a fair shot at the starting spot, if for no other reason than the fact that Keenum has proven very little over his four-year NFL career, completing 56 percent of his passes for just over 3,000 yards. As we exit the preseason however, Keenum ran nine drives with the first team offense in comparison to Goff’s two, and was recently confirmed as the starting quarterback for when the Rams take the field for Week 1 against the 49ers. In fact, Jeff Fisher said last night after Los Angeles’ 27-25 loss to the Vikings that Sean Mannion would be his second string option if the season started today.

This was never a quarterback competition, and it is important to understand that here at the outset. Keenum was placed at the table with a full house in his hand (or whatever the most compatible version of that the Rams can scrape together is), while Goff was left with a pair of deuces. The Rams wanted to sit Goff to start the season regardless of what was shown on the field and, because Keenum hasn’t completely imploded, they now have the ability to do so.



The predictable imbalance between the two quarterbacks’ supporting casts was evident throughout the preseason, particularly when Goff went under center to deal with, well, this:

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The sad part is: That isn’t even all of the poorly run routes or drops that Goff had to endure. As poor as it was, though, perhaps none of of the miscues were quite as egregious as this gaffe by Pharoh Cooper in the Rams’ first preseason game against the Cowboys.

Goff faces a 2nd-and-10 situation with the ball on the Cowboys 37-yard line and just 35 seconds left in the first half. With all three timeouts at his disposal, the Rams quarterback knows he can challenge any area of the field in his attempt to navigate his team into at least field goal range before the end of the half.

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At the snap, Dallas drops into a Cover 2 zone with safeties J.J. Wilcox and Kavon Frazier manning the two deep halves of the field. Rookie Michael Thomas is isolated on the backside of the Rams’ 3X1 look, but the receiver falls asleep on the snap and is far too slow off the line of scrimmage, prompting Goff to look elsewhere.

Cooper’s deep post, on the other hand, carries him to the Cover 2 hole between the safeties, and Goff places a perfect laser right on the receiver’s numbers. Wilcox does a good job of closing the window to put a hit on Cooper, though, and the pass catcher can’t hang on for what would have been a huge completion to give the Rams a first-and-goal.

That’s a big boy throw by a rookie quarterback playing with all backups in his first NFL game, and an encouraging sign for Goff’s development. There were questions about his arm strength and velocity entering the draft and, while that aspect of his game may never be elite, Goff’s tools appear more than adequate when observing him against NFL secondaries.

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Note the excellent pace on this throw to Higbee on a deep comeback route, fitting the ball in to the receiver before Wilcox can close over the top. Some have knocked Goff for not making many high degree of difficulty throws in his first three games, but those complaints ignore the context of the system in which the rookie is performing. The Rams offensive approach features many West Coast principles with short timing patterns designed to stretch the field horizontally before attacking it vertically. Accuracy and ball placement are paramount to a quarterback’s success in a West Coast offense, two areas of the game that are Goff’s greatest strengths.


Where Goff has struggled is in his progressions, by no means an unusual weakness for a rookie quarterback still adjusting to the pace of the NFL.

The Rams came out in 11 personnel to start the second half against the Chiefs in Goff’s second preseason game, one where the quarterback looked to rebound from a frustrating first half. The Chiefs show man coverage right away off the snap, but Goff locks onto his first read anyway, zipping a throw to Brian Quick despite the fact that the receiver has gained no separation on his comeback route.

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First, this is a really poor route by Quick, who stops at the top of his pattern rather than coming back to the football, generally considered a no-no when running a comeback route. Still, the decision isn’t a good one for Goff, who has to recognize when the window isn’t there and move to his next progression, especially given the time he has in the pocket. If he had, he would have seen the outside receiver to his left, Thomas, come open underneath against Steven Nelson for what could have been a big gain.

Similarly, against Denver the Rams come out in 12 personnel with rookie tight end Tyler Higbee in the slot to Goff’s left. Please note that, for the second consecutive drive, the Rams reserves are in the game with Goff against most of Denver’s starting defense. Again, right off the snap Goff’s eyes are locked onto his target, allowing safety Darian Stewart an easy read and break on the ball.

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Stewart drops the easiest pick-six he’ll ever see in his life here, as Goff, in his eagerness to hit his route on time and get the ball out of his hand, forgoes his progressions and dispenses with any sense of field awareness.

These are common mistakes for a rookie that are nothing to be concerned about right now; In addition, Goff’s supporting cast has been dreadful, and the Los Angeles coaches have not put him in the best position to succeed.

Granted, Goff has not been perfect either. Nevertheless, I’ve counted 9-12 drops (depending on what you expect to be a catch) and two interceptions that came as results of poor protection – mistakes that have had disastrous effects on Goff’s preseason numbers. Nine more catches on those dropped passes would elevate Goff’s completion percentage from 45 percent to just over 63 percent, a far cry from the bleak statistical results that have been paraded all over social media for the past few weeks.



In the final preseason game against Minnesota, Goff looked excellent on the opening drive, marching the offense down the field on just his third possession of the entire preseason with the starters. He made plays inside and outside of the pocket before capping the drive with an extremely well-placed touchdown pass to Kenny Britt’s outside shoulder despite tight coverage from Mackensie Alexander. If not for a Brian Quick drop to begin the drive, Goff would have finished a perfect 4-4.

Then things began to unravel. Goff took a few shots and started rushing and sailing passes. The low point came when he dropped a shotgun snap at his own 7-yard line, a mistake that several Minnesota defenders pounced on after the quarterback took his eyes off the ball to survey the secondary a tad early. Goff will need to be better than these mistakes moving forward, even as a rookie, but nothing he’s put on tape so far is unusual or worse than your typical young quarterback mistakes. Unfortunately for Goff, those mistakes have only been exacerbated by the extremely low level of play around him, to say nothing of the expectations that accompany being the number one overall pick at the game’s most important position.

In the proper context, we can see that while Goff certainly has aspects of his game that need work, the Rams’ franchise quarterback has not been close to as bad as his numbers or the common media narratives (or even his head coach?) would suggest. Had he been given an equal opportunity to win the starting quarterback job over Case Keenum, Goff might certainly have done so – but we’ll never know given the situation and personnel with which he was asked to perform.

Few would claim Goff is ready to be a successful starting quarterback in the NFL, but is Keenum? In short, let’s not bury Goff just yet, as the young quarterback will receive much better opportunities from which to judge his caliber of play than the ones he has been given thus far this preseason.

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He didn't say that. He said "... I made it a point to watch every game on you tube for hm and WENTZ..."

Fair enough Wolfe.... If I misunderstood his context but my question was very specific and he said Yes I made it a point to watch every game on you tube for hm and WENTZ. you Wolfe chose to leave out the key word when you pasting his quoted answer.. the word Yes..

I only asked him because I've heard several people banter about Wentz vs Goff not from ROD and they had barely seen film of half of their games. Especially Goff's freshman and sophomore seasons so I like to know the sample size of their time spent on film review of them both.. also my question was based on his perception before the preseason since he had strong convictions for Wentz before they were even drafted. That he did say...

For me its important to know this when taking the time to have serious discussion of what each persons eyes had witnessed from their time spent watching all their game film etc... anyway I'm a Rams fan first before a Goff fan and my intentions are not to make someone look bad or myself good. (I'm not that guy) I do take it serious though when someone has a strong opinion about something without all the stones turned over if that makes sense. Oh well it is what it is and for all of us we just want the Rams to win in 2016 regardless of who the starting players are. (y)

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FWIW, Goff has not looked comfortable at all even when things have gone right. He's unsure and I believe he's unsure because he does not know the offense like the back of his hand. I still feel very confident this was the right choice and I also feel that with a tad more seasoning, he will be starting sooner rather than later.
 

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FWIW, Goff has not looked comfortable at all even when things have gone right. He's unsure and I believe he's unsure because he does not know the offense like the back of his hand. I still feel very confident this was the right choice and I also feel that with a tad more seasoning, he will be starting sooner rather than later.
He's had a few moments of WOW but yeah, uncomfortable is the word that keeps coming up for me too to describe his preseason.
 

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Rubbish, how? Are you satisfied with the opportunities he received, and the support he received in his preseason opportunities? I would love to have seen how Goff could do with GRob, Britt, Tavon, Kendricks etc. a bit more, and without the freaking avalanche of drops by Quick and Thomas especially.

I think the coaching staff is right to start Keenum for the opener, but I thought this article was pretty right on.