Facial Recognition of Fans by Owners

[LARAMSinFeb.]

Stay out of cities.

What if you’re a fan of a sports team that’s in a city, like say, the Los Angeles Rams or somebody?

 

[Ramhusker]

I agree. Not a fan of this as we all know technology like this will eventually be abused in some way, shape, or form.

Already happening

 

[XXXIVwin]

To play devil's advocate, if you have nothing to hide there's nothing to worry about. I think you can look at this both ways. I think it's reassuring to know they have eyes on people should there ever be any trouble.

There's a lot of drunk idiots who like to start fights at games... we've all seen the videos. The NFL game-day experience is becoming less and less family friendly. Hard to take young kids to games anymore.

 

[rdlkgliders]

Violating it is never right

*Never offer your info online

*Never participate in loyalty programs

*Never voluntarily let them connect your image with personal info used in buying a ticket, just to avoid lines.

*Use cash whenever possible. Especially for hot button products like guns and ammunition, although they trying to track everything. If I buy another gun, it will be a personal transaction with a relative.

*Never open your screen door to a cop unless he/she has a search warrant. They will seem nice and reasonable, but say nothing about anything. Never let them in because they then have a right to search your house, with or without a search warrant. Same is true for your car, never give permission to search. I used to love cops and thought only the best of them, but I have learned that no matter how nice they seem to be, they are NEVER your friend in these situations. Be courteous yet firm.

JMO, but you do you.

I think you misinterpreted my comment, I likely should have been clearer, I agree. I am not in favor of the Swiss cheese that has been made of the 4th amendment.

This example in the NFL represents a slippery slope beyond facial recognition.
People are fighting for guardrails all over and this is yet another example of why. It is still young technology but without protections, it can become more invasive and concerning.

 

[Merlin]

Yep it is coming. They just need AI to tie it all together for full control. Don't even get me going about robotic police and brain chips...

China is already a techno police state. Our politicians want some of that shit yeah boy.

 

[blackbart]

One more reason to stay home and watch.
Totally agree with @Loyal, there is no need for this kind of invasion in our nation.

And the argument about nothing to hide is just a lame excuse to allow it to happen. In America we don’t have to give up our rights, ghey don’t come from the government.

 

[norcalramfan]

The owners had to have figured on a negative reaction in some quarters. It’s another way to categorize and separate us by type. Of course, just own a smart phone and corporate interests have a wealth of information on you. (Hold your face to the screen to turn it on, YouTube videos learning our preferences….).

 

[Londoner]

Link that with facial recognition software and social credit score garbage

Throw in AI for the trifecta.

losing absolute FREEDOM.

There is no such thing as absolute freedom.

One more reason to stay home and watch.

Except that your smart TV or laptop/tablet is watching you anyway.

 

[AvengerRam]

The 4th Amendment is not applicable to voluntary transactions with private entities.

That does not make it morally or ethically right… but it’s not unconstitutional.

 

[Loyal]

What if you’re a fan of a sports team that’s in a city, like say, the Los Angeles Rams or somebody?

AFter this realization of what they are doing, it makes not want to see any games in person. But I also have trouble walking that far, which SoFi looks like a lot of walking and so there is that.

 

[Loyal]

The owners had to have figured on a negative reaction in some quarters. It’s another way to categorize and separate us by type. Of course, just own a smart phone and corporate interests have a wealth of information on you. (Hold your face to the screen to turn it on, YouTube videos learning our preferences….).

Agree about YouTube.
My wife and I haven't had a smart phone since 2016. We have a land line and are quite happy with it. As a side note. sales people, medical clinics schedulers, super market clerks give me looks of disbelief when I tell them they can't text or call me, which is amusing! lol

 

[Angry Ram]

Serious question...why does every new piece of tech automatically gets thrown a conspiracy theory the guvment is out to take away our freedums?? What evidence do you have to support that other than paranoia??

The NFL isn't a guvment organization. It's private and no longer tax exempt. The 4th amendment is about government search and seizure...how is that even applicable here?

 

[Corbin]

I hate it.
Having the ability to identify a single fan in a full stadium seems to be a violation of personal privacy. @AvengerRam probably will tell me how it is not a violation of the 4th Amendment, but its smacks of government control, potentially. In China, they actually welded doors shut during Covid so no one could leave to get food or whatever. When restrictions were relaxed, people were identified by technology/facial recognition as they moved around their neighborhoods, knowing their social credit scores and would restrict their movement from their neighborhood.
Are we there yet? No. But it is a big step toward that Orwellian distopia. Watch this....


View: https://x.com/Vision4theBlind/status/1819358023485104431

As I’m not a fan of the Chinese system by any means this is an American mind set stretch to combine Chinese Social Credit and Covid protocols to facial recognition in stadiums here in the US. You know in big cities they have cameras up with this same technology right? You know your smart phone ( not sure if laptops from Apple do this yet) takes photos of you constantly while you’re using it using the IR spectrum?

Obviously with cookies on websites, using google, your bank account, there is a profile created for each and every person out there that is marketed for purchase and I digress it’s with little to no consent. And all of it is being lead by our leaders who’ve found we won’t do shit to them for keeping down this road.

I am a fan of a capitalistic society but there are some things like this I am not a fan of and is the extreme Side of the pendulum on selling people’s data, especially when it comes to trying to manipulate their votes.

And you can’t say it’s one side of the isle or the other. Both literally have their faults and I can point to literally 3-5 on each side of enabling this type of behavior to monitor, limit, and control people’s lives with impunity.

Being in the Cyber Security and Data Management you learn many many policies anybody with power keeps trying to expand to have more and more power.

We are riding a thin line between perceived safety and losing absolute FREEDOM.

I'm throughly disappointed in the NFL for what appears to be leading the charge on this in major sports (if I'm wrong you don't need to be a fool just let me know). Between cameras tracking your movement to software that tracks everything you make contact with it's getting to be too much IMO.

Plus, this whole credit score issue means I'm restricted to 7-Eleven and the Dollar Store WTH!

I’m not surprised with the NFL doing this mind numbing controlling behavior. Perceived social justice types like this type of BS and want to push their limits so they can control every aspect of people’s life.

To play devil's advocate, if you have nothing to hide there's nothing to worry about. I think you can look at this both ways. I think it's reassuring to know they have eyes on people should there ever be any trouble.

Very good let me set up webcams in each corner of your house if you truly believe this. If that is not allowed since your home is private let me post cameras just off your property with a view of your front, back , and side yards and stream it online.

Guarantee you wouldn’t like it for you or your family and not ‘just’ because you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear.

 

[Corbin]

There's a lot of drunk idiots who like to start fights at games... we've all seen the videos. The NFL game-day experience is becoming less and less family friendly. Hard to take young kids to games anymore.

Don’t use drunk idiots as an excuse to take away other peoples freedoms. They already get caught, jailed, and banned from games.

Live steaming won’t prevent drunk idiots.

 

[Loyal]

Don’t use drunk idiots as an excuse to take away other peoples freedoms. They already get caught, jailed, and banned from games.

Live steaming won’t prevent drunk idiots.

Are we willing to give up privacy so that technology can inhibit bad behavior? What happens when they want to inhibit how you live your life?

 

[Corbin]

Are we willing to give up privacy so that technology can inhibit bad behavior? What happens when they want to inhibit how you live your life?

In no way in anywhere did I type I’m in favor of giving up privacy. As a matter of fact if you read carefully you will see I’m against any type of tracking for private commercial use or government practices that are not legal per the 4th amendment.

The Patriot Act for example, enable basically any behavior by government entities to basically do whatever they want with that act.

 

[Corbin]

Are we willing to give up privacy so that technology can inhibit bad behavior? What happens when they want to inhibit how you live your life?

The problem with the 4th amendment just like the opposite of the 2nd amendment is people will purposefully manipulate the interpretation to fulfill whatever they want it to mean.

They 4th they try and change it so they can do whatever to “protect “ people.

The 2nd amendment extremist people believe they should own an anti air battery because they interrupt “ shall not be infringed” to mean they should be able to have whatever they want at their disposal.

This is a problem with our society right now that needs to be remedied from government and private entities overreach.

 

[Angry Ram]

*Never offer your info online

Oh? Is something gonna happen? I've been offering my info online for 20+ years and perfectly fine. I'm curious what next steps are.

*Never participate in loyalty programs

And why not? Hows the Best Buy rewards program gonna take away my rights?

*Never voluntarily let them connect your image with personal info used in buying a ticket, just to avoid lines

Nah. I don't care. I bought a ticket....I'm fully aware they can see me. If they want to use my ugly mug go for it. Honestly what are they going to do with it?

The new camera at Sam's club works perfectly fine too btw.

*Use cash whenever possible. Especially for hot button products like guns and ammunition, although they trying to track everything. If I buy another gun, it will be a personal transaction with a relative.

Again why not? Debit and CCs have been around for years. I've been using them for 25+ years, parents for years before that.

I fail to see anything that made me feel like i was being invaded or something taking away?

This reminds me of a Dale Gribble themed King of the Hill episode.

*Never open your screen door to a cop unless he/she has a search warrant. They will seem nice and reasonable, but say nothing about anything. Never let them in because they then have a right to search your house, with or without a search warrant. Same is true for your car, never give permission to search. I used to love cops and thought only the best of them, but I have learned that no matter how nice they seem to be, they are NEVER your friend in these situations. Be courteous yet firm

Don't see why I would have to deal with cops on a regular basis?

 

[Ramstien]

These are the times we live in, and it is probably only going to get worst. The fact is we have to accept it and find a way to deal with it; one way is by just staying home and watching the games.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I haven't been to a game in a long time, baseball or football, and they didn't do that back then that I remember.

You walk through metal detectors and if you have a backpack, etc… they check it.

I don’t take a bag. Plus I don’t mind them making sure that some nut isn’t smuggling a gun into the game to spray bullets at the crowd.