Do the Cardinals trade Rosen?

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"Josh Rosen is incredibly talented, one of the most talented throwers you'll see," Kingsbury said. "A young player, obviously, that I'm excited to work with and develop. But as a pure thrower, it's hard to find a guy that throws it better."

I don’t know... why does the “tremendous thrower” thing sound like a half compliment?

I mean, I am a tremendous thrower of flat skipping rocks at the lake. Doesn’t really do much for me.
 

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Absolutely if the Cards GM believe in their new HC and ubfunfortunat they have to. But to change direction like that on such a high profile position makes me leary of the GM.

If your going to do it now is the time to do it. The Cards are going nowhere for next coupkc years so it is a perfect time to transition Murray into their system.

Based on going nowhere, a new HC wanting his guy and they can recoup a second round pick I'd do it. Unfortunately this not a great year to take Rosen because most teams don't need a QB.

Also if the Cards don't want Rosen other teams need to weary. Why would a GM do an about face.

Sucks for Rosen, but if he gets into a better situation maybe their is a silver lining.
 

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When this was 1st reported I thought it might be a chance for the Rams to trade a late 3rd or 4th round pick for him to be the backup and provide more legit competition for the starting QB job. Also, maybe McVay could make him look great and the Rams could then recoup a better pick down the road.
 

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I think Arizona is foolish if they don't keep Rosen. Unless rosen's personality rubbed them the wrong way. In that case. A team would have to look for why after only one year the cards want to dump him. Seems like it would be hard to give up a 1st rounder for a locker room cancer. Which would be the only reason to not keep him.

I think they need the QB to fit the system and Murray is that guy.

that said, I never understood folks giving Rosen a hard time. Guy just shoots straight and folks in the NFL or NCAA don't like getting called on their BS.

Did the kid have to play ball? Nope. He comes from Manhattan Beach, the son of two academics, who likely could have gone to an Ivy or some really strong academic school and just got his batch of degrees and lived his life.

He was actually standing up for his fellow athletes who come from really crappy circumstances (in the NCAA instances) saying that the way the NCAA handles athletes is beyond exploitative. And it is. There's NO WAY that Johnny Manziel or Zion Williamson is getting a fair shake with respect to their value. I mean Zion had his own special Nike shoes and dedicated network camera crew following him during the tourney. I'm sure that 1 year at Duke is totally worth the HUNDREDS of millions of dollars the Sports Industrial Complex has made off of him.

It's really frustrating to see Rosen getting all this flack as he went to UCLA which was at the forefront of the civil rights movement... Kareem Abdul Jabaar was one of many activists that was simply speaking the plain truth. I have serious beef with UCLA...where I was literally born as my mom was a student there at the time...but I'll save that.

And you know the powers that be are so f'n attached to their exploitative power that they'll slam anyone. I mean, the NFL was shadowing Dr Omalu who discovered CTE and one wonders if they actually had the conversation about having a third party "take care of him" because of the potential damage to the league.

I like the kid. He's always been a stand up guy when asked questions, rarely downshifts into "player speak" and is willing to be honest, even if that's not a popular thing.

Maybe it's just me, but I remember a day when we respected honesty, even if we disagreed with what was said.

Some of the garbage written about Rosen is...well...it's pretty clear who's actually saying it, why the reporter/opinion maker is putting these negative takes out there and none of it has a damn thing to do with truth, honesty, sport, sportsmanship, leadership, talent or anything else of value.

Sorry, this topic really gets me going. They can talk up guys like Johnny Manziel, Greg Hardy and others and overlook or simply ignore who and what they are... but a kid just honestly points out the complete bullshittery that everyone sees plain as day and he's given all these labels. Just burns me up.

And yes, his first year was very similar to Goff's.
 

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Absolutely if the Cards GM believe in their new HC and ubfunfortunat they have to. But to change direction like that on such a high profile position makes me leary of the GM.

If your going to do it now is the time to do it. The Cards are going nowhere for next coupkc years so it is a perfect time to transition Murray into their system.

Based on going nowhere, a new HC wanting his guy and they can recoup a second round pick I'd do it. Unfortunately this not a great year to take Rosen because most teams don't need a QB.

Also if the Cards don't want Rosen other teams need to weary. Why would a GM do an about face.

Sucks for Rosen, but if he gets into a better situation maybe their is a silver lining.

The reality if you're the Chargers or the Giants is that Rosen for a 2nd is a freaking STEAL.

If I'm the Chargers, I do that deal in a nanosecond. 2nd for Rosen. Done. When can he be on the plane?

Philip Rivers is a heckuva cagey QB, but his throwing motion is obnoxiously bad and his deep ball is really diminishing. NOW is the perfect time to train his replacement even if Rivers plays two more years.
 

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The reality if you're the Chargers or the Giants is that Rosen for a 2nd is a freaking STEAL.

If I'm the Chargers, I do that deal in a nanosecond. 2nd for Rosen. Done. When can he be on the plane?

Philip Rivers is a heckuva cagey QB, but his throwing motion is obnoxiously bad and his deep ball is really diminishing. NOW is the perfect time to train his replacement even if Rivers plays two more years.

Don't overlook the Patriots at #32. That would give them 4 years of control over him - and over half of his compensation through 2021 is an already paid signing bonus. So he'd be a bargain financially, and likely as good a prospect to replace Brady as they likely could get - oh, and a good situation for Rosen to develop in.
 

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With all the hype for QBs come draft time you would think that Rosen would have higher value than a third round pick. I'm sure it's a feeling out process to see what other teams are offering. Always risky to have a QB controversy but, if I'm the Cardinals I would keep him till I got an at least an early second round pick. Even though Murray hasn't taken hits and gotten injured in college he could as a NFL QB.
 
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I mean, I am a tremendous thrower of flat skipping rocks at the lake. Doesn’t really do much for me.

You should see me throw a frisbee. I can toss that thing like you wouldn't believe. After warming up I can knock a wobbly-pop out of your hand from 50+ feet.

But when I went to training camp as a walk on they didn't care.

Ha ha or $100 an hour.

Is that the Kraft Special?
 

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With all the hype for QBs come draft time you would think that Rosen would have higher value than a third round pick. I'm sure it's a feeling out process to see what other teams are offering. Always risky to have a QB controversy but, if I'm the Cardinals I would keep him till I got an at least an early second round pick. Even though Murray hasn't taken hits and gotten injured in college he could as a NFL QB.
Agreed. Cowboys once pulled it off with Walsh and Aikman.
 

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Agreed. Cowboys once pulled it off with Walsh and Aikman.
And no salary cap....
Both guys were rookies in the same season although it cost the Cowboys the #1 pick overall in consecutive seasons.
 

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I don’t know... why does the “tremendous thrower” thing sound like a half compliment?

I mean, I am a tremendous thrower of flat skipping rocks at the lake. Doesn’t really do much for me.

Dude is tough as Hell !! A lot tough than I thought he was going into his senior year.
Last season he got his but handed to him.

He is a pro type QB passer that can make all the throws. He is still young & has a good frame. I’m sure a lot of football people won’t mind having him on there team.He seems to have a good football IQ.

As far as rocks go, I’d say he is not dumb as rocks & doesn’t need to skip them. He can flat out throw it across the lake.

Btw - I think he will be a better QB than Murray. Kingsburry is the football guy that should have a better idea of how he wants to run things. I’ve already heard on this post early in the year he committed Football H/C suicide by taking the USC assistants job over The Rams.
I’m just not high on a small running QB in the NFL vs a guy that should be in the league 10-15 years.Even a guy like Johnny Football never worked for me as a NFL QB.
The guy in Cleveland though could never put a fail grade on. He seems to be able to make all the plays.A Bigger Doug Flutie type.

Rosen’s still might not be ready to be given the keys, but then again protection is a way to find out. Plus how he is taking to offseason workouts is a good indicator.
 
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And no salary cap....
Both guys were rookies in the same season although it cost the Cowboys the #1 pick overall in consecutive seasons.
And they traded Walsh for a 1,2, and 3.

Rosen costs 4 mill against the cap. Basically backup QB money today. They can afford it.
 

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And they traded Walsh for a 1,2, and 3.

Rosen costs 4 mill against the cap. Basically backup QB money today. They can afford it.
Im confused, you are using the cowboys as an example of a team who drafted 2 QB in same year and traded 1 after 1 season. Arizona is looking to do a similar thing, drafting 2 in 2 years and trading 1.
 

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Im confused, you are using the cowboys as an example of a team who drafted 2 QB in same year and traded 1 after 1 season. Arizona is looking to do a similar thing, drafting 2 in 2 years and trading 1.


Its a very similar scenario. In the Cards case I would not deal Rosen for less than a 1st. There is no reason they couldn't keep Rosen for another year. See which QB plays better and then trade the other.

Just because few teams have done that does not make is silly. Look at it this ways. Rams traded far more draft capital in obtaining Goff then the Cards in this scenario draft two top college QB's and have two chances of coming up with a franchise QB.
 

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Absolutely if the Cards GM believe in their new HC and ubfunfortunat they have to. But to change direction like that on such a high profile position makes me leary of the GM.
On point regarding the GM.
He just drafted Rosen last year. A great pick imo.
Why hire a coach that doesn't match or want Rosens skill set to begin with?

If the cards trade Rosen, they're fools. What they should be doing is building him and Johnson an o line and getting him some pass catchers.
 

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On point regarding the GM.
He just drafted Rosen last year. A great pick imo.
Why hire a coach that doesn't match or want Rosens skill set to begin with?

If the cards trade Rosen, they're fools. What they should be doing is building him and Johnson an o line and getting him some pass catchers.

I'm very cool with AZ dumping a more traditional drop back QB with a quick release for a Russell Wilson clone. Our DL has a lot of years and built up lessons on how to deal with such a QB.
 

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I'm very cool with AZ dumping a more traditional drop back QB with a quick release for a Russell Wilson clone. Our DL has a lot of years and built up lessons on how to deal with such a QB.
I agree completely. Kap and Wilson I'm sure, agree as well.
It would please me to see Rosen out of our division.