Do the Cardinals trade Rosen?

[Akrasian]

tellin ya one thing i'm not happy about, that being a bidding was between Miami and Wash for Rosen, too much upside for Zona
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Also, if the Cards take Murray, that means that Bosa drops to the Niners.

 

[nighttrain]

Also, if the Cards take Murray, that means that Bosa drops to the Niners.

this draft has the potential too really suck, arrggg
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[pmil66]

@den-the-coach stole my thunder.
I was gonna put my stamp on Miami for Rosen. I think Arizona will take Murray. And cut their losses, take the #13 pick for him. It’s a bad look but it basically only cost a 3rd and 5th. I don’t think they do much better than that.
My 2nd W.A. guess would be New England. If Rosen price drops far enough that a package of the #32 and a couple other pieces, would make a lot of sense.
Rosen has that Patriot-Douchiness that seems to be a fit

Arizona also paid Rosen that 10 million signing bonus, which will count against their cap if traded. They will want more than the 1st, 3rd and 5th they traded to draft him.

 

[nighttrain]

Arizona also paid Rosen that 10 million signing bonus, which will count against their cap if traded. They will want more than the 1st, 3rd and 5th they traded to draft him.

but they will take what they can get, it's not always what ya want (Rolling Stones)
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[Ram65]

Odds seem in favor of making the trade and taking Murray. Fins or Skins for Rosen. Too bad Denver made the Flacco trade already. They have the 10th pick and could have finally gotten their franchise QB.

 

[den-the-coach]

Their new HC apparently wants him - and if you hire a new HC and can easily get him the QB he wants, you do it.

And IMO, if you like a guy that much and you're the Head Coach in your first year, then go grab him. Scott Linehan who was a putz as a Head Coach loved Jay Cutler, but he let DC Jim Haslett talk him out of the pick and to trade down and draft the incredible shrinking CB from Clemson Ty Hill, who when interviewed, talked about being an All Pro before he played a down of football and then proved within the first couple of games, he could not cover a bed.

So if I'm Kliff Kingsbury and I love Kyler Murray, then I take him and trade Rosen and move on. I surround myself with my players, who can play the type of football that I believe is a winning formula. Now, some might feel that Kingsbury is crazy, but if he believes that much in Murray, make the pick and make the deal, so you never walk away thinking you should have followed your gut.

 

[Adi]

Who does this ? The same team that fired their coach after 1 year.

If I'm a cardinals fan, I would gladly take Murray if you are sure you can get a first for Rosen.

Murray or Rosen, if they dont improve their o line they will get thier guy killed.

 

[pmil66]

Odds seem in favor of making the trade and taking Murray. Fins or Skins for Rosen. Too bad Denver made the Flacco trade already. They have the 10th pick and could have finally gotten their franchise QB.

Actually Denver makes a lot of sense. They could trade pick 10, a 5th rounder this year, they have an extra pick, and a 3rd next year. Flacco could start the year, after he struggles, Rosen could come in and Flacco can be cut with no cap hit in 2020. Rosens cap hit would fit very nicely for Denver also, considering what the cap hit for QB's have been for the past couple of years.

 

[den-the-coach]

Who does this ? The same team that fired their coach after 1 year.

If I'm a cardinals fan, I would gladly take Murray if you are sure you can get a first for Rosen.

Murray or Rosen, if they dont improve their o line they will get thier guy killed.

Actually I applaud what the Cardinals did, Steve Wilks was way over his head and hired an incompetent staff, not sure on Kingsbury as he was fired in College, but at least there is some sizzle. Murray would bring that to, plus he's a leader, Rosen IMO, not so much.

Not sure if Kingsbury is ready, but he's far more exciting than Wilks who reminded me of Scott Linehan years ago. My hope is with Kingsbury, the Cardinals always struggle on defense, but Vance Joseph is a very good DC and the Cardinals will be a better team down the road, however, still losing twice a year to the Los Angeles Rams.

 

[LesBaker]

Murray, meanwhile, is a true dual-threat QB. He threw 42 touchdowns with seven interceptions and rushed for 1,001 yards and 12 touchdowns for Oklahoma last season.

This means a short NFL career in about 95% of the cases.

I think the Cardinals talking about drafting Murray is just s smokescreen to increase the #1 pick trade value.

I think it is too.

How about the Redskins? Seems they would be in the market for a QB, have the need that's for sure..

The Giants do too and they are drafting 5th or 6th I think. So they have some premium draft capital to offer.

 

[Mojo Ram]

I am starting to believe there could be something to this story.

And... if you’re the Cardinals, and love Murray, why not?

They’re in position to ensure they have the QB they want. It’s an unusual position, but they hold the cards.

Rosen has solid trade value.

I think they're strongly considering it. I also think that the Rosen bust talk coming from a good chunk of Cards fans and in other circles is extremely premature.

Having watched that Arizona trainwreck offense and our 2016 trainwreck offense with Goff tells me that Rosen simply can't be accurately evaluated at this point. As a matter of fact i think Rosen looked a tad better than Goff did surrounded by garbage coaching, no protection and junk targets.

I can't say i know much about this Murray kid because i don't, but if i'm AZ i'm not trading Rosen and drafting Murray #1. Either draft an elite guy there or trade down and start surrounding Rosen with talent.

My only question with Rosen last year was his maturity and if his psyche would implode by losing(which i correctly predicted would happen to that awful offense before the season) and getting beat up all year. He handled it very well.

Of course, with Kingsbury there, it would be a good opportunity to get "his QB" in there and let Rosen go. I still maintain that Rosen's trade value is not as high as many believe it to be. I'd be shocked if AZ could get a 1st rd pick in return...and surprised if they got a 2nd. My reasoning are the parallel's to Goff's value after his disastrous rookie year.

 

[Mojo Ram]

If trading Rosen is the answer, what will they get back.

My guess is a 3rd in addition to maybe a 4th or 5th. Then again i could see a QB hungry team risking a 2nd.

You have to ask yourself, what do you think the Rams could have gotten in return for Goff after his rookie year?

 

[Ram65]

Actually Denver makes a lot of sense. They could trade pick 10, a 5th rounder this year, they have an extra pick, and a 3rd next year. Flacco could start the year, after he struggles, Rosen could come in and Flacco can be cut with no cap hit in 2020. Rosens cap hit would fit very nicely for Denver also, considering what the cap hit for QB's have been for the past couple of years.

Yes, it still makes sense with Flacco. If I were them I would get in the mix for the trade. They have been running around in circles over finding a QB for too long.

 

[TXRams86]

apparently Kingsbury telling people it's a for sure:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articl...klahoma-kyler-murray-overall-reportedly-done/

"Now, it sounds like a Murray-to-Arizona scenario is a "done deal," according to a report on Sunday by Tony Pauline of Draft Analyst.

"Adding fuel to the Murray fire, Arizona Cardinals head coach Kliff Kingsbury was telling people last night that it's a 'done deal' the Cardinals will select the Oklahoma Sooners quarterback with the first pick of the draft," writes Pauline. "Whether or not Kingsbury has the final say on the choice remains to be seen, but stay tuned."

 

[Mister Sin]

I just can’t see a team giving up much of anything for him. I didn’t think he was a 1st rounder last year. He’s definitely not a franchise guy imo. I think they will hold on to him for insurance. Hope that he balls out in pre-season and someone else suffers injury and becomes desperate.

 

[Memento]

I hope they do trade Rosen. I have more faith in him being a star than Murray.

 

[Merlin]

I didn’t get to watch as much college football as usual this year. Is Murray similar to RGIII? We all know how that ended up.

Murray is opposite of RGIII in terms of his personality I think. He's a really good kid, but more importantly a fit for what Kingsbury wants to do offensively. That plus the connection between coach and QB does make this seem like it will happen.

And I pray it blows up in their faces too.

 

[jacktheripper85]

@den-the-coach stole my thunder.
I was gonna put my stamp on Miami for Rosen. I think Arizona will take Murray. And cut their losses, take the #13 pick for him. It’s a bad look but it basically only cost a 3rd and 5th. I don’t think they do much better than that.
My 2nd W.A. guess would be New England. If Rosen price drops far enough that a package of the #32 and a couple other pieces, would make a lot of sense.
Rosen has that Patriot-Douchiness that seems to be a fit

And you stole my thunder with your comment regarding Rosen. More so than his play they are looking to move him because the majority of his teammates and coaches consider him a Class A douche. Not a great quality to master when you are a starting NFL QB. They see no leadership ability in him.

 

[Ramstien]

I'm just so glad the Rams have put themselves in a position where they don't have to make these type of decisions. I remember those days and I am glad they have passed hopefully forever.

 

[pmil66]

My guess is a 3rd in addition to maybe a 4th or 5th. Then again i could see a QB hungry team risking a 2nd.

You have to ask yourself, what do you think the Rams could have gotten in return for Goff after his rookie year?

Well, if a team had liked Goff when he came out, could see them going back and looking at his college tape and reevaluating him. Chalk up that rookie year to bad coaching, which would be correct, and give up a 1st rounder. See the same scenario for Rosen.