Demoff on Fisher

[jrry32]

I think momentum will be lost if the chargers end up in LA. They may not be a winning team but they're fun to watch and fans can get excited about them. If it's the Raiders then obviously times that by ten.

I think this point is huge for Kroenke. He needs to do everything he can to try to avoid potential Rams fans becoming Raiders or Chargers fans (if they move to LA).

Yea, Kroenke will have to make a big splash if another teams look to move to LA. I think that would likely mean hiring a big name like Gruden.

However, it seems like the Raiders are looking to Las Vegas right now.

 

[RamzFanz]

I'll post here what I posted on another thread:

You seem to be under the impression that winning is an integral part of a smart business decision.

Stan doesn't agree.

 

[thirteen28]

You seem to be under the impression that winning is an integral part of a smart business decision.

Stan doesn't agree.

For the good owners, it is. We will see about Stan and how much he values his investment in the LA market.

 

[dieterbrock]

That's the problem. It's hard to think of any. Can you name any NFL coach who got to come back for his 6th season after not posting a single .500 or better season in his first 5 years?

The only guy I can think of is Tom Landry. And that was in the 1960s. He was also handed an expansion team. So he was given some time to build a team in a different day and age.

I can't think of a single guy in the last 30 years that would be handed the sort of benefit of the doubt that Jeff Fisher is if he's given a sixth year.

Is that genius enough for you?

Because there is only 1 guy since Landry to get a 5th year after 4 straight losing seasons, that was David Shula. And he only made it 7 games in to season 5.
We have 50 years of the NFL backing the idea that Fisher needs to go, that he's had enough time.

This is Fisher's team, it has been for 5 seasons now.
In a league where coaches like Shanahan and Coughlin get fired despite winning numerous Superbowls, I just cant fathom a defense of Fisher getting more time despite never reaching .500

 

[dieterbrock]

I am hoping that Kroenke gets input/pressure from the owners who supported the move.
This time last year, there were 3 teams bidding to play in LA and the messiest situation was the St Louis one. Still, Stan got the support he needed and the Rams got the spot light.
I don't think anyone that supported the move is thrilled that the Rams are one of the laughing stocks of the league, this cant be what they signed up for.
Especially considering how well the Raiders are doing and although the Chargers record isn't great, the team is exciting and has played in some terrific games this year.
So I could see (hope) that the support team may start to question if they bet on the wrong horse here.
The return of football to LA was a league wide exciting event, and the disappointment of the team isn't indigenous to the Rams faithful, it runs much deeper than that

 

[blackbart]

And here's something that really undermines your argument, there are quite a few Panthers fans that want Rivera fired. They're tired of the inconsistency. The man is coming off a 15-1 season and a Super Bowl appearance. He has 3 playoff appearances under his belt as a HC (hired the year before Fisher). He has two 12+ win seasons. AND PANTHERS FANS WANT HIM GONE.

Just shows fans are not to be listened to when running a franchise they are too emotional and don't know jack shit about what it takes.

Because the NFL has parity, and Cam Newton is an inconsistent young QB. Here's the problem with your comparison, Ron Rivera went 12-4 in his third year and 15-1 in his fifth year. Jeff Fisher was hired the year after Rivera. He hasn't come close to doing either one.

Show us a comparison between the teams they inherited and the QB play over the last three years. Not even close to the same thing.

 

[Rmfnlt]

I am hoping that Kroenke gets input/pressure from the owners who supported the move.
This time last year, there were 3 teams bidding to play in LA and the messiest situation was the St Louis one. Still, Stan got the support he needed and the Rams got the spot light.
I don't think anyone that supported the move is thrilled that the Rams are one of the laughing stocks of the league, this cant be what they signed up for.
Especially considering how well the Raiders are doing and although the Chargers record isn't great, the team is exciting and has played in some terrific games this year.
So I could see (hope) that the support team may start to question if they bet on the wrong horse here.
The return of football to LA was a league wide exciting event, and the disappointment of the team isn't indigenous to the Rams faithful, it runs much deeper than that

Boy, I dunno.

The other owners (I know Jerruh was very influential) probably only care about the increase in worth of the franchise (that also increases the worth of the league).

Now... if the Rams continue to play poorly and the franchise starts dropping in value? Then, I could see the other owners voicing concerns.

But we're nowhere near that yet.

Just my $.02

 

[dieterbrock]

Show us a comparison between the teams they inherited and the QB play over the last three years. Not even close to the same thing.

Ron Rivera inherited a team that was 2-14 the year before, which had the worst offense and 3rd worst defense. And they were 12-4 and in the playoffs in his 3rd year.
He drafted a QB with his 1st pick who ran nothing close to resembling an NFL offense in college, who started only 1 season and was replacing a QB that was drafted with a 2nd round pick the year before. Rivera put him in right away and he paid immediate dividends

 

[dieterbrock]

Boy, I dunno.

The other owners (I know Jerruh was very influential) probably only care about the increase in worth of the franchise (that also increases the worth of the league).

Now... if the Rams continue to play poorly and the franchise starts dropping in value? Then, I could see the other owners voicing concerns.

But we're nowhere near that yet.

Just my $.02

Its better for the league if the team in Hollywood is playing well. From a marketing perspective down the line. Its doesn't do them any good for them to lose

 

[Prime Time]

When I first saw this pic I thought the guy on the right was Stan Kroenke with a dye job. :eek:

 

[Selassie I]

When I first saw this pic I thought the guy on the right was Stan Kroenke with a dye job. :eek:

Well...

At least we can all agree that the guy on the left is Lance Kendricks.

 

[Ramlock]

Nobody here thinks FISHER likes being mediocre.

It's posted here on a near daily basis......

 

[dieterbrock]

When I first saw this pic I thought the guy on the right was Stan Kroenke with a dye job. :eek:

Looks like a caption should read, "Stan Kroenke going Leo Farnsworth"

 

[Prime Time]

Looks like a caption should read, "Stan Kroenke going Leo Farnsworth"

Good catch!

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[blackbart]

Ron Rivera inherited a team that was 2-14 the year before, which had the worst offense and 3rd worst defense. And they were 12-4 and in the playoffs in his 3rd year.
He drafted a QB with his 1st pick who ran nothing close to resembling an NFL offense in college, who started only 1 season and was replacing a QB that was drafted with a 2nd round pick the year before. Rivera put him in right away and he paid immediate dividends

So now that Fisher has his QB we can have a decent comparison in 2 years.

 

[dieterbrock]

So now that Fisher has his QB we can have a decent comparison in 2 years.

You cant be serious

 

[blackbart]

You cant be serious

Why not that is what you mentioned as the turning point for the Panthers.

 

[thirteen28]

Frankly, Schotty was hated around here, but he was far better than Boras and Cignetti.

Most. Depressing. Thought. EVER.

 

[dieterbrock]

Why not that is what you mentioned as the turning point for the Panthers.

No,I mentioned that Ron Rivera took over a 2-14 team which had the worst offense in the league and amongst the worst defense in the league and yet was 12-4 in his 3rd year
Fisher is on his 5th straight year of losing

 

[blackbart]

No,I mentioned that Ron Rivera took over a 2-14 team which had the worst offense in the league and amongst the worst defense in the league and yet was 12-4 in his 3rd year
Fisher is on his 5th straight year of losing

I could copy it for you but you can scroll back up and read what you posted