CBA deal progressing

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Eliminate preseason exhibition games completely please. Schedule the structured scrimmages to work kinks out and eval talent.

College does it and it's MUCH worse for them to lose a game impacting playoff chances. If they can do it, NFL can. 17 or even 18 games are possible. Way more money. Everybody wins.
 

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I some times think players are way over paid. a lot of us work 40 plus years some times at more than 1 job just to get 4 weeks vacation. then half the time we sell back half of that because can't afford to take it all. so at times i'm very jealous but then I realize that the entertainment business is the only one that pays the ones that make the product the big bucks. so maybe we should be glade they get it and hope some day it will work that way in all jobs
 

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I some times think players are way over paid. a lot of us work 40 plus years some times at more than 1 job just to get 4 weeks vacation. then half the time we sell back half of that because can't afford to take it all. so at times i'm very jealous but then I realize that the entertainment business is the only one that pays the ones that make the product the big bucks. so maybe we should be glade they get it and hope some day it will work that way in all jobs
Most players and coaches/coordinators as well as owners are. Practice squad guys aren’t for sure though. Owners definitely make their share of the money and are overpaid. The only ones that don’t always make money in the end are sponsors and fans.
 

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NFLPA meeting Thursday to further discuss 17-game proposal

The NFL and NFL Players Association has negotiated a proposal labor deal based on 17 games. Now, the NFLPA simply needs to accept the proposal.

Mark Maske of the Washington Post reports that the NFLPA Executive Committee and board of player representatives will meet on Thursday to further discuss the proposal. Per Maske, a vote is “possible but not definite.”

Translation: A vote will happen only if NFLPA leadership believes it has the votes to advance the proposal to the full membership for an up-or-down, simple-majority vote. To do that, at least two thirds of the 32 players reps must endorse the proposal.

At this point, the NFLPA doesn’t know how the process will end. If it ends without the NFLPA accepting the proposal — and with the NFLPA trying to get the league to sweeten the deal — things could get interesting. The league, under the impression that the deal will be accepted by the union, may say to the NFLPA negotiators that the deal won’t be enhanced. The question then becomes whether the union takes the deal now, later in 2020, or at some point after the 2020 season, possibly after another offseason lockout.

Ultimately, the players lack the will to miss games and game checks. Absent that weapon in the labor-relations arsenal, the union needs to be ready to take the best deal it can get.

The NFLPA could, in theory, decide to dig in and fight. That could mean a season without football in 2021 and, in turn, the delayed finalization of new TV deals that will make everyone a lot richer.
 

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Just read article on msn.com players almost 100% against 17 game season. Owners giving union til March 18, start of league season, to come around.
Players cite injury concerns and having to play an extra away travel game.
 

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No resolution of NFLPA’s position on 17-game CBA

For the second straight Thursday, the NFL Players Association Executive Committee and board of player representatives met to discuss a proposal from the NFL on a 10-year labor deal based on a 17-game regular season that would commence as early as 2021. For the second straight Thursday, the meeting did not resolve the issue one way or the other.

According to Mark Maske of the Washington Post, the group spent eight hours discussing the proposal. There was no resolution, and the internal deliberations are due to continue.

Rough deadline” of March 18 or not, the reality is that the start of the new league year gives the two sides a reason to try to resolve the situation. As does the looming election of a new NFLPA president. If Chargers tackle Russell Okung gets the title, the 17-game proposal may be flushed for good.

Then there’s the urgency to do new TV deals. In order to max out the money, it makes sense to strike now, while ratings are high and before the election eats into them. Also, a recession is possible, which could limit the size of the offers from the various corporations that will be tightening belts during tougher times that could be here by next year at this time.

The question for the union is whether the offer from the NFL will ever get any better and, if not, whether to take it now or whether to dig in for a work stoppage, something most players simply aren’t willing to endure if it means losing the ability to play football and to get paid for it. At some point before March 18, they need to make that big-picture decision.
 

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NFLPA To Hold CBA Vote?

On Thursday in Washington D.C., the NFLPA’s executive committee and player representatives may vote on a CBA proposal from the NFL’s owners, Ian Rapoport of NFL.com (on Twitter) hears. This doesn’t necessarily mean that the process will be further along by the end of next week, however.

Two key things to note: 1. The players will only consider a vote if the owners address a list of issues that they’ve submitted. 2. Even if the proposal is revised to satisfaction, this vote would only clear one hurdle on the way to a new CBA. If two-thirds of the player representatives say yes, it goes to the entire union body. If a simple majority vote in favor of it, it will go to the owners. In that final step, three-fourths of owners must say yes in order for the CBA to be ratified.

The current CBA doesn’t expire until March 2021, but the two sides want to hash out a new one by the start of the league year. This March will not mark a true deadline for talks, but without a fresh CBA, the possibility of a labor stoppage in 2021 increases.

The league’s owners want the ability to extend the regular season to 17 games. Many players are concerned about the safety issues that would arise from a longer season, but owners say they’re willing to give up a larger share of revenue if they receive and trigger that option. The union is also believed to be seeking relaxed rules against marijuana, something the owners seem willing to offer.
 

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New CBA would give first-rounders a path to fifth-year franchise tag

Despite repeated and historical complaints regarding the franchise tag, the device for keeping otherwise unrestricted free agents in place is going nowhere. But there’s one potential tweak in the new (if it happens) labor deal regarding the franchise tag that some players will welcome.

Per multiple sources, the proposed CBA would give first-round picks an escape hatch from the fifth-year option as currently calculated. If a first-round pick makes it to the Pro Bowl twice in his first three seasons, the amount of the fifth-year option would spike to the franchise tag for his position.

Players in the top 10 currently receive as a fifth-year option the transition tender applicable to their position for the prior year. For a player like cornerback Jalen Ramsey (fourth overall), that’s $13.7 million. The projected 2020 franchise tender for cornerbacks is $16.4 million. (Ramsey would have qualified for the higher fifth-year option.)

The difference is even more pronounced for players not taken in the top 10. Bengals cornerback William Jackson, the 24th pick in 2016, is due to make $9.954 million under the formula for non-top-10 picks. With at least two Pro Bowls in his first three years, he’d be in line for $16.4 million instead. (Jackson did not qualify for two Pro Bowls in his first three seasons, however.)

A separate benefit comes the year after the rookie deal expires. With the franchise tender as the fifth-year salary, the player would get a 20-percent bump, if franchise-tagged in year six. That would push a cornerback to $19.68 million, significantly more than the franchise tag at the position for 2020 — barring an explosion in the salary cap. (It’s unclear whether the escalation of the fifth-year option payment to the franchise-tag amount also would count as an application of the franchise tag. After two career applications of the franchise tag, the player is entitled to a 44-percent increase over his prior-year cap number if/when tagged a third time.)

This is just another one of the terms that the players will get, if they agree to play 17 games. The biggest question remains whether they’ll agree to play 17 games.
 

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At least the NFL isn't sheltering cheaters for the sake of their next CBA.
 

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I think I asked this before but, I'll ask it again.

Are the players completely against the 17 game schedule or just trying to get more to agree to it?

At some point, someone needs to report the answer.

I really don't know the answer.
 

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I think I asked this before but, I'll ask it again.

Are the players completely against the 17 game schedule or just trying to get more to agree to it?

At some point, someone needs to report the answer.

I really don't know the answer.

I don't think the answer can be known right now.

If they are completely against it (likely, for their health's sake) then they would be taking the same present public stance.

If it's a negotiating point, possible to overcome with enough extra pay, then they would be taking the same present public stance.
 

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I don't think the answer can be known right now.

If they are completely against it (likely, for their health's sake) then they would be taking the same present public stance.

If it's a negotiating point, possible to overcome with enough extra pay, then they would be taking the same present public stance.

I agree with that. I was thinking that a reporter/inside source might be able to get some inside information out to the public. At some point, the information will come out. I hope it's sooner than later.
 

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Players push for 17-game season to be delayed until 2022 or 2023

The NFL wants to implement a 17-game season, and it wants to do it as soon as possible. The NFL Players Association wants to slow the process down by a year or two.

Per multiple sources, players would like to delay the implementation of an extra regular-season game until 2022 or 2023. This position flows primarily from the fact that plenty of players have contracts that extend to 2021 and beyond, complicating significantly the prospect of compensating them for an extra game.

Roughly 70 players currently are under contract through 2023. If a 17-game season can be delayed that long, a system for compensating those players in 2023 (and beyond where applicable) would be devised.


But the league still wants to expand the regular season as soon as possible. And for good reason. There’s money to be made in that extra weekend of games, and the league wants to start making it.

With players showing unexpected resistance to a 17th game, however, a compromise to 2022 could be what’s needed to work this out. And however it works out, there’s an emerging sense that, indeed, a deal is coming. And it will include 17 games.

One of the biggest questions left as to a 17th game is when the extra game will be played.
 

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TV negotiations continue to hover over CBA talks

The NFL and NFL Players Association are working toward a new Collective Bargaining Agreement not because a new league year is coming but because something far more significant is in the pipeline: A new round of TV deals.

A recent item from Andrew Beaton of the Wall Street Journalechoes concepts that have been articulated here, on PFT Live, and on #PFTPM in recent weeks. The league and the union want to get a labor agreement in place so that the league can then turn to extending the various broadcast-rights contracts, before the NFL’s bargaining position in that context is weakened by a ratings dip fueled by the presidential election, by an economic downturn, or both.

That’s the core wisdom of NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith’s ongoing effort to get the Executive Committee (which seems to be on board), two thirds of the board of player representatives (which remains not an easy sell), and at least half of the rank and file plus one (which will likely go along if/when it comes to it) to accept the pending CBA proposal premised on 17 games. Smith knows from experience in 2011 that the players ultimately won’t miss game checks. Which means that the players ultimately will take the best deal that’s on the table on the brink of the 2021 preseason/regular season. Which means that the players should just take the best deal that’s on the table now.

Which remains a delicate proposition when the time comes to explain it to the players. If the players believe that their resolve is being doubted or that their courage is being questioned, they could decide to refuse the deal simply to prove that they’re not weak. Even if, in the end, they’d be in a much weaker spot.

Indeed, here’s the best reason take the best deal that’s on the table now. If the TV deals aren’t as good as the league thinks they’ll be if the TV deals can be accomplished within the next few months, the eventually shortfall won’t be shared by the league and the players. The players likely will pay for the bulk of the money lost via the lost opportunity to get the TV deals done, in the form of a financial package that passes on to the players the reduced revenue resulting from networks willing to pay less in the aftermath of declining ratings in 2020 and/or shrunken budgets triggered by a recession.

That’s why Smith is trying to get it done now, and that’s why it’s smart to do so. It’s also why players who are inclined to huff and puff about not playing 17 games need to realize that, if they’re not willing to blow the house down over adding an extra regular-season game, a delay could result in getting their ox gored.
 

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TV negotiations continue to hover over CBA talks



That’s why Smith is trying to get it done now, and that’s why it’s smart to do so. It’s also why players who are inclined to huff and puff about not playing 17 games need to realize that, if they’re not willing to blow the house down over adding an extra regular-season game, a delay could result in getting their ox gored.

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush...The NFL Players Union is most likely the weakest union of the four majors and yes I'm not counting damn soccer as a major @LesBaker

Anyway I guess like anything else, some predict a downturn in the economy and that's always possible....Personally I'm not a fan of the 17 game schedule, but the future of money being made from legal gambling looms on the horizon and if the players pass now, they could end up watching XFL players reap the benefits in the NFL.
 

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A bird in hand is worth two in the bush...The NFL Players Union is most likely the weakest union of the four majors and yes I'm not YET counting damn soccer as a major @LesBaker


FIFY hehe


Anyway I guess like anything else, some predict a downturn in the economy and that's always possible....Personally I'm not a fan of the 17 game schedule, but the future of money being made from legal gambling looms on the horizon and if the players pass now, they could end up watching XFL players reap the benefits in the NFL.

It's not just possible, it's probable because of the debt and deficit the nation is under. It's just a matter of "when" not "if". This is basic economics at work. Lengthy economic expansion with record debt/deficit at the tail end is going to result in a recession.

Eventually we will see the elimination of 2 preseason games and the addition of two regular season games. It's going to happen.
 

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