Black Monday and the Coaching Carousel

[LesBaker]

Former Lions and Colts coach Jim Caldwell will get multiple interviews, as will former Colts coach Chuck Pagano. Former Bills head coach (and Browns interim coach) Gregg Williams, former Broncos coach Vance Joseph, former Dolphins coach Adam Gase, and former Packers coach Mike McCarthy will have interviews, too.

Former Raiders and Browns coach Hue Jackson could end up getting hired as the new head coach in Cincinnati. Former Raiders, Broncos, and Washington coach Mike Shanahan could return to Denver, and former Cardinals coach Bruce Arians could become a candidate for the Buccaneers’ job.

The Good Old Boys Club springs into action!!!

 

[Merlin]

No. 6: The Cardinals

The Cardinals could be mired in the basement of the NFC West for a while, and the new coach could find himself reporting to a new G.M. as soon as 2020 — a new G.M. who may want to hire his own coach ASAP. With plenty of holes on the roster and highly competitive rivals in L.A., Arizona, and Seattle, it’s no surprise Eric Bieniemy passed on sitting for an interview.

Cards should be ahead of the Bucs, who don't have a QB and whose ownership team are effin retarded. Listing the Bucs at 4 is laughable IMO. They do have talent, but there's no way I'd want to go there if I'm a hot coordinator name right now.

Cards at least have a QB in place. Much like the BS we heard from the media with the Rams when they hired McVay, where the value of our young QB was overlooked in every discussion, when it comes to the hot candidate that will not be the case.

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

Send your resume to the Rams office @jrry32 You can list me as a reference. After you banging the table for Kupp and Kittle, I trust your scouting eyes.

I was thinking the same thing. And let us not forget that Mr. jrry32 also led the charge for Phillip Lindsey last year way before anyone had even heard of him.
Take a bow, jrry!

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[Legatron4]

I realize the coaching pool is scarce. But damn, some of these dudes won’t just die off(not literally).

Hue Jackson should never be let near another head coaching job. Ditto for a few other guys. But these same cats will just continue to get recycled throughout the NFL until teams find their McVay.

Oh, and spoiler alert, they never will.

 

[Prime Time]

View: https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1081301802568613890

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I realize the coaching pool is scarce. But damn, some of these dudes won’t just die off(not literally).

Hue Jackson should never be let near another head coaching job. Ditto for a few other guys. But these same cats will just continue to get recycled throughout the NFL until teams find their McVay.

Oh, and spoiler alert, they never will.

There aren't enough good coaches with enough experience to go around. Maybe someone will give Linehan and Spagnolo another shot!

 

[CGI_Ram]

It’s hardly ideal to take a coaching job and to not have the ability to pick a quarterback, given the team’s decision to stick with Jamies Winston for at least another year. But the Bucs could do a lot worse at the most important position on the field; with the right coach (Dirk Koetter apparently wasn’t it), Winston could still become a franchise quarterback.

I think after 4 seasons in the books, we kind of know what to expect of Winston.

A top franchise QB isn’t one of them.

 

[den-the-coach]

[QUOTE="Merlin, post: 1164168, member: 1269"

Cards at least have a QB in place. Much like the BS we heard from the media with the Rams when they hired McVay, where the value of our young QB was overlooked in every discussion, when it comes to the hot candidate that will not be the case.[/QUOTE]

Not sure on this, I would select Tampa over Arizona as the Cards just fired a Coach after only one year, I also believe Winston is better than Rosen. Buccaneer ownership is an issue and Jason Licht has not proven much, however, I believe Tampa has better talent, with likes of Evans, their TE's and a couple of complimentary pieces in Humphreys and Godwin.

Defensively there are some players you could build off of, just feel that Steve Keim, who spent time in jail for his DWI is dealing with some personal issues and that is affecting him on the job. Last year Mike Munchak would not even go their for a second interview, so something smells rotten in Arizona IMHO..

 

[Prime Time]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTFVuFLT2MY

 

[Merlin]

Not sure on this, I would select Tampa over Arizona as the Cards just fired a Coach after only one year, I also believe Winston is better than Rosen.

We'll see. My take on the firing of Wilks is it's a recognition he didn't assemble a staff that can handle a young QB's development. And with a guy like him you're not going to be able to hang on to a great offensive assistant even if he digs one up somewhere. Recognition of a bad hire isn't a sign of poor ownership IMO.

Tampa fired Lovie early too, replaced him with Koetter who is a kiss @$$ that lacks leadership and then proceeded to leave him in place which can be worse in some ways. I don't like Tampa's ownership going back though, so maybe I'm biased. But one thing's for sure: even if Winston has a good year at some point he's all about Winston and building around him is not a good idea.

If I'm an up and coming head coach there is no way I'd be interested in Tampa. Nor Cincy for that matter, given their lack of a young QB to coach up.

 

[Merlin]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTFVuFLT2MY

Awesome segment. And yes, IMO at least, McVay is affecting the way owners and GMs are searching for head coaches, but finding a guy like him won't be easy.

I do like the Cowturds' DB coach too btw. Dude has energy, knows what he's doing, and leadership ability with the players. But at some point a lot of hires are probably going to show a high chance of failure due to the youth movement.

 

[den-the-coach]

If I'm an up and coming head coach there is no way I'd be interested in Tampa. Nor Cincy for that matter, given their lack of a young QB to coach up.

Love Western Florida, however, Phoenix is also an awesome town, but if the Bucs included a house in Marco Island in a Gated Community, I would commit with you as Special Teams coach.

 

[dieterbrock]

I think after 4 seasons in the books, we kind of know what to expect of Winston.

A top franchise QB isn’t one of them.

I agree. Didn’t they fire Lovie to make Koetter the HC because he was the OC who “got” Winston??
On a side note,
@jrry32 didnt you have a bet with another poster about Winston?

 

[CGI_Ram]

I agree. Didn’t they fire Lovie to make Koetter the HC because he was the OC who “got” Winston??
On a side note,
@jrry32 didnt you have a bet with another poster about Winston?

He’s exactly the “tweener” QB... just good enough to be a starter, but painful to pay QB starter money.

Mariota is another one.

What do you pay these guys? And in doing so, you kind of sign up for more of the same play.

 

[dieterbrock]

He’s exactly the “tweener” QB... just good enough to be a starter, but painful to pay QB starter money.

Mariota is another one.

What do you pay these guys? And in doing so, you kind of sign up for more of the same play.

At least the Titans are winning with Mariota, his issue seems to be whether he can ever stay healthy.
I don’t know what you do if you are Tampa. To me, JW is like Bradford. You see the ability but there is no winning which goes along with it.
They aren’t winning games with him, so what’s the down side to starting over?

 

[jrry32]

I agree. Didn’t they fire Lovie to make Koetter the HC because he was the OC who “got” Winston??
On a side note,
@jrry32 didnt you have a bet with another poster about Winston?

I have no idea. I generally forget those things unless somebody else brings it back up. Ironically, they fired Lovie to keep Koetter, yet Koetter's own OC, Todd Monken, proved himself to be a better offensive mind than Koetter. Right now, the frontrunner for the position appears to be Bruce Arians. He's a jerk, but he's also a damn good football coach, and Jameis is a good fit for his system. He resurrected Carson Palmer's career when Palmer was having issues similar to Jameis'.

At least the Titans are winning with Mariota, his issue seems to be whether he can ever stay healthy.
I don’t know what you do if you are Tampa. To me, JW is like Bradford. You see the ability but there is no winning which goes along with it.
They aren’t winning games with him, so what’s the down side to starting over?

The difference is that their offense has actually seen some success. Their struggles to win are due to the defense. For example, they were a top 10 offense this year. The down side to starting over is ending up with a worse QB and seeing Jameis succeed elsewhere when you already have the pieces in place to have a top offense. Keep in mind that Jameis was still only 24 years old this year (he turned 25 today).

If it were me, I'd hire a guy like Bruce Arians and let him make that call. I imagine Arians would opt to keep him. I'd be interested in seeing what Jameis could become with a better coach and a defense that doesn't force him to play hero ball. He's shown plenty of flashes of good things, and his overall numbers for his age are pretty solid.

 

[kurtfaulk]

He’s exactly the “tweener” QB... just good enough to be a starter, but painful to pay QB starter money.

Mariota is another one.

What do you pay these guys? And in doing so, you kind of sign up for more of the same play.

I wish i kept a list of all the bozos in the media that said Goff and wentz weren't even close to the same level as Winston and mariota. Although we don't really need a list. Pretty much every bozo out there said it. Bozos.

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[Q729]

I wish i kept a list of all the bozos in the media that said Goff and wentz weren't even close to the same level as Winston and mariota. Although we don't really need a list. Pretty much every bozo out there said it. Bozos.

.

 

[dieterbrock]

I have no idea. I generally forget those things unless somebody else brings it back up. Ironically, they fired Lovie to keep Koetter, yet Koetter's own OC, Todd Monken, proved himself to be a better offensive mind than Koetter. Right now, the frontrunner for the position appears to be Bruce Arians. He's a jerk, but he's also a damn good football coach, and Jameis is a good fit for his system. He resurrected Carson Palmer's career when Palmer was having issues similar to Jameis'.



The difference is that their offense has actually seen some success. Their struggles to win are due to the defense. For example, they were a top 10 offense this year. The down side to starting over is ending up with a worse QB and seeing Jameis succeed elsewhere when you already have the pieces in place to have a top offense. Keep in mind that Jameis was still only 24 years old this year (he turned 25 today).

If it were me, I'd hire a guy like Bruce Arians and let him make that call. I imagine Arians would opt to keep him. I'd be interested in seeing what Jameis could become with a better coach and a defense that doesn't force him to play hero ball. He's shown plenty of flashes of good things, and his overall numbers for his age are pretty solid.

Hated the prick when he was in Arizona, but if I’m hiring a coach right now, Arians is top of the list. Jets are nuts to not bring him in to mentor/develop Darnold. That division is going to be wide open, the Pats are going to fold one of these years, Brady can’t play forever.
So to your point, 1 year of Arians and Winston should work miracles

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

God no!!!!! Please Tampa don’t hire Bruce Arians!




It’s too hot and humid in Tampa and the last thing I want to see is Bruce Arians trying to stay cool in a Speedo or a thong!