Big off-season question: Do the Rams keep Goff next year?

[Ellard80]

Ya know what really makes me laugh ... if Goff was as bad as his critics say he is ... who would even trade for him ? .. Goff will be here next year for cap reasons alone .. after a quick re tool and his 4 winning season in a row under his belt .. he will be back

he aint getting traded - not for that money.

 

[So Ram]

I'd say the main difference between Higbee and Kelsey is opportunity. The former put up crazy numbers when given the opportunity last year. Won me money in fantasy football. Imagine what he could have done if Goff extended plays like Machines.

Woods was a good WR who battled injuries and horrible QB play in Buffalo. But Brandon Cooks put up big numbers with 3 different teams. He didn't keep getting dealt for 1st round picks & get that big contract because he was chopped liver.

While I'd rather have Hill over Cooks, I'd also rather have Woods over Conley. And, IMO, both Cooks and Higbee could have been Pro Bowlers (popularity contest) with the same amount of opportunities in KC, too.

that’s ridiculous imo.

I’d say Kittle might be the most complete TE

Kelce is just amazing as a TE(wr.)

Tyler Higbee has been GREAT this season though. Of course last season the way he was catching the ball.He might be the Best TE in Rams history when his career is all said & done.

Goff - as Wolford said about his skill level over Jared.He can extend plays & is Faster. —Then the backhand.No offense to Jared.

It will be interesting to see how this team plays.It’s NOT I(ME)but WE.If this RAMS TEAM is any good they need to show it.

The Playoffs have started.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Where have I heard that before?

Also could be a case where the youngest starting 22 in the league matures and improves in a number of areas.

Adding one deep threat could be huge.

Akers & Henderson just improving and maturing will be huge. Hopefully Corbett & Edwards can improve. Add a young more physical center who can step in by mid season could be big.

Not to mention just improving STs. That alone can be done with better coaching and make a big difference and could win a game or two.

So a lot of areas can get better with only a few resources required to do so in my view.

View: https://youtu.be/gAdTsAKvVTU

 

[Memphis Ram]

that’s ridiculous imo.

I’d say Kittle might be the most complete TE

Kelce is just amazing as a TE(wr.)

Tyler Higbee has been GREAT this season though. Of course last season the way he was catching the ball.He might be the Best TE in Rams history when his career is all said & done.

Goff - as Wolford said about his skill level over Jared.He can extend plays & is Faster. —Then the backhand.No offense to Jared.

It will be interesting to see how this team plays.It’s NOT I(ME)but WE.If this RAMS TEAM is any good they need to show it.

The Playoffs have started.

Maybe. But, the numbers Higbee put up during those last 5 games last year rivaled any 5 game period Kelce had last year. And this without a QB that can extend plays like the KC QB.

Did he all the sudden forget how to play? Or is he simply not getting the opportunities that he got last year and that Kelce always gets in KC.

 

[OntarioRam]

Regarding blocking, Higbee has also been playing injured for the majority of the year. Don't underestimate the impact of that. His arm is in a huge brace, so clearly something isn't at 100%. I believe it is his elbow? Blocking 250 lbs+ athletic freak defensive lineman is never easy for TEs, to begin with. Try doing it with a wonky limb. I expect Higbee's run blocking will improve next season when he hopefully is less bang up.

 

[Jacobarch]

I haven't watch an Atlanta game this year so I can't tell you for sure what is happening with that team in regards to Matt Ryan but I can tell you that Matt Ryan has over 5 years more experience than Goff.

Yes Goff has 5 years experience but I know from the past, pocket passers (and I stress pocket passers) do not get into their prime until their 6th thru 10th years. Goff just needs to stop making the really bad decisions and he is a very good QB. Against Seattle, he completed some passes into extremely tight windows.

I'll rebuttal that and say players usually hit their prime in year 5 to 6. Especially QB's. Goff is what he is at this point. Unless everything is perfect around him (see 2018) he wont put up top 5-10 numbers.

Lets look at 2018.
Great young WR core,
deep threat.
Great Offensive line.
Decent to good TE's.
Top 2 RB.

2020
Average Oline
Good WR's, but no deep threat at all
Decent TE's
Good RBs but are ALWAYS injured.

Goff still has a decent team around him, put Aaron Rodgers on this team....my gawd, I would bet he would have even better numbers than he does with GB because he has more reliable weapons SANS. Adams. Who's GB's No. 2 and No. 3 WR's again? I think they have the most drops in the league btw.

McVays system is a great QB friendly system. But he obviously doesn't trust Goff right now. Even professional ex football players that have studied film can see McVay has a limited passing playbook atm because of Goffs deficiencies. These are ex pro football players and coaches that know more than any of us will ever know about the game of football. And I'll trust their word before my own or any of yours.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Maybe. But, the numbers Higbee put up during those last 5 games last year rivaled any 5 game period Kelce had last year. And this without a QB that can extend plays like the KC QB.

Did he all the sudden forget how to play? Or is he simply not getting the opportunities that he got last year and that Kelce always gets in KC.

Maybe he’s not getting those opportunities because he’s not catching the ball as well in game or practice with the brace on.

Or maybe he’s not getting the opportunities because of the need to be helping the offensive line.

 

[Tano]

I'll rebuttal that and say players usually hit their prime in year 5 to 6. Especially QB's. Goff is what he is at this point. Unless everything is perfect around him (see 2018) he wont put up top 5-10 numbers.

Lets look at 2018.
Great young WR core,
deep threat.
Great Offensive line.
Decent to good TE's.
Top 2 RB.

2020
Average Oline
Good WR's, but no deep threat at all
Decent TE's
Good RBs but are ALWAYS injured.

Goff still has a decent team around him, put Aaron Rodgers on this team....my gawd, I would bet he would have even better numbers than he does with GB because he has more reliable weapons SANS. Adams. Who's GB's No. 2 and No. 3 WR's again? I think they have the most drops in the league btw.

McVays system is a great QB friendly system. But he obviously doesn't trust Goff right now. Even professional ex football players that have studied film can see McVay has a limited passing playbook atm because of Goffs deficiencies. These are ex pro football players and coaches that know more than any of us will ever know about the game of football. And I'll trust their word before my own or any of yours.

You can't compare Aaron Rodgers to Goff

Aaron Rodgers is one of the best all time future HOF

Goff is an above average QB who still makes dumb decisions. I am hoping someone works with him over the summer so his dumb decisions will go down and then he will be a very good QB.

 

[So Ram]

You can't compare Aaron Rodgers to Goff

Aaron Rodgers is one of the best all time future HOF

Goff is an above average QB who still makes dumb decisions. I am hoping someone works with him over the summer so his dumb decisions will go down and then he will be a very good QB.

Confidence will need to be restored.Jared Goff is Jared Goff.

I look at what Andy Dalton is doing right now. So the post response to the poster is wrong in that you look at Alex Smith as well.Both have had long careers.
Big Ben
Goat
Drew
Colts-

Cam is not,but running QB’s vs pocket passer tend to be different. We can discuss QB’s & careers.Right now though Older guys are doing well.
Just look at ex-Ram Fitz-Magic.

Tennessee?? I just hope to see Wolford in the playoffs. Rams will play another QB in the North West again from what most Scenarios are saying.

 

[Tano]

Confidence will need to be restored.Jared Goff is Jared Goff.

I look at what Andy Dalton is doing right now. So the post response to the poster is wrong in that you look at Alex Smith as well.Both have had long careers.
Big Ben
Goat
Drew
Colts-

Cam is not,but running QB’s vs pocket passer tend to be different. We can discuss QB’s & careers.Right now though Older guys are doing well.
Just look at ex-Ram Fitz-Magic.

Tennessee?? I just hope to see Wolford in the playoffs. Rams will play another QB in the North West again from what most Scenarios are saying.

As you stated, every older QB doing well is a pocket passer. I don't like mobile QBs for that reason. I think Jared Goff will age well since his decisions will most likely get better, unless he has developed the yips because of all the bad opinions of him in the Ram forums.

Only Wilson and Mahomes will probably age well because of their ability to not take a bad hit.

 

[Young Ram]

Goff is here for 2021 but he needs competition to light a fire under his ass. He has gotten too comfortable. Look at Rodgers. They drafted Love in the first round and he is having a fantastic year. We also need speed at the WR position because we no longer throw the long ball and we have transformed into a dink and dunk offense. I would like for us to get QB, speedy WR, OL, and LB in the draft. Everything else is set.

 

[99Balloons]

If he is “not that good” who will trade for him ??

i would wait when free agency hits. I think Sam Darnold would have been pretty good for the Rams with a sign and trade type situation.

 

[CoachAllred]

The gamble has to be that this year does wonders to improve the quarteback for the future.

We have to hope that the adversity develops into dependability.

well said Dog.

 

[dieterbrock]

i would wait when free agency hits. I think Sam Darnold would have been pretty good for the Rams with a sign and trade type situation.

Darnold isnt a free agent, he's under contract another year, possibly 2

 

[PARAM]

Goff is here for 2021 but he needs competition to light a fire under his ass. He has gotten too comfortable. Look at Rodgers. They drafted Love in the first round and he is having a fantastic year. We also need speed at the WR position because we no longer throw the long ball and we have transformed into a dink and dunk offense. I would like for us to get QB, speedy WR, OL, and LB in the draft. Everything else is set.

Yeah, Rodgers was terrible last year. 13-3, 4002 yards, 26 TD, 4 Int. It's a good thing they lit a fire under him. This year, 12-3, 4059 yards, 44 TD, 5 Int.

 

[Young Ram]

Yeah, Rodgers was terrible last year. 13-3, 4002 yards, 26 TD, 4 Int. It's a good thing they lit a fire under him. This year, 12-3, 4059 yards, 44 TD, 5 Int.

Ok maybe that was a bad example but competition is definitely needed.

 

[Merlin]

Calvin Ridley and Julio Jones are shit?

By any measurement that is fake news.

meanwhile Ryan’s stats are near identical to Goffs this year with two of the top WR’s in football.

Average QB’s don’t outplay Mahomes and put up 55 points with lesser WR’s.

Average QB’s don’t don’t lead top Offenses in back to back years.

Jared has been inconsistent no doubt the last two years with RB issues and subpar Oline play. But so did Kurt Warner, several bad years in fact when his supporting cast was subpar.

I think Goff and Ryan are a lot alike. I always hated the comp too. Goff being projected as Ryan I thought was underselling him a bit. But at this point it's proven to be quite accurate. Both are guys you can win with, and who can be very good with talent around them. Neither are gonna carry it though.

 

[Merlin]

And btw here's what I'm talking about with Goff being too safe. This is the second play from scrimmage last Sunday. Goff boots and has two clear options and doesn't even consider the deeper of the two options (Higbee). You can see which is usual for a McVay non-short yardage type play that there's a few options there for the QB to choose between to include a mid/deep route. Also in this case it's half the field with the boot. He takes the short option and of course Reynolds gets hit and his progress stopped by a guy who probably weighs 30 lbs less than him. ... Fuckin Reynolds man.

Higs would have been a nice gainer had he hit him immediately out of his boot. But he's not thinking aggressively, he is thinking defensively. IMO. This might end up being a godsend for him. I'm serious, a short break that lets him reset himself mentally. Just hope we can get in.

 

[FrantikRam]

You can't compare Aaron Rodgers to Goff

Aaron Rodgers is one of the best all time future HOF

Goff is an above average QB who still makes dumb decisions. I am hoping someone works with him over the summer so his dumb decisions will go down and then he will be a very good QB.

There's really nothing to point two over the past two seasons that show Goff as an above average QB. He's firmly below average.

I'm not saying he's the worst - but when someone could form a rational argument that he's one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL, it's not good.

You have to go back three years, and that would be like saying Gurley is still a good RB because of what he did two years ago.

 

[FrantikRam]

You can't compare Aaron Rodgers to Goff

Aaron Rodgers is one of the best all time future HOF

Goff is an above average QB who still makes dumb decisions. I am hoping someone works with him over the summer so his dumb decisions will go down and then he will be a very good QB.

Oh and also, we definitely can compare them - Goff is making more money than Rodgers this year.