Big off-season question: Do the Rams keep Goff next year?

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Oh and also, we definitely can compare them - Goff is making more money than Rodgers this year.
Oh please - you can't compare them because of salaries - each year the cap goes up and each year new QB salaries go up. Rodgers signed his contract quite a few years ago when QB salaries were quite a bit lower. Goff is just high since a lot of QBs signed their contracts a few years ago.
 

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There's really nothing to point two over the past two seasons that show Goff as an above average QB. He's firmly below average.

I'm not saying he's the worst - but when someone could form a rational argument that he's one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL, it's not good.

You have to go back three years, and that would be like saying Gurley is still a good RB because of what he did two years ago.
I am going over the Seattle game pass by pass and I will show you that Goff really did not make too many bad passes - at least in the first half - except for the really really really horrible pass. You can complain all you want about that pass because it was horrible. It was just a bad decision on Goffs part and I am hoping we won't see that again. He seems to learn from his mistakes most of the time. Since the Miami game, he has been better at handling blitzes and keeping the ball in his hands. He still from time to time gets hit from behind and fumbles the ball but I see that from ALL QBs.
 

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Oh please - you can't compare them because of salaries - each year the cap goes up and each year new QB salaries go up. Rodgers signed his contract quite a few years ago when QB salaries were quite a bit lower. Goff is just high since a lot of QBs signed their contracts a few years ago.

Rodgers signed his in the summer of 2018, Goff in the summer of 2019.

Each for a total of $134 million, each for four years

Looks like GB made a wise decision. Looks like we did not.
 
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And btw here's what I'm talking about with Goff being too safe. This is the second play from scrimmage last Sunday. Goff boots and has two clear options and doesn't even consider the deeper of the two options (Higbee). You can see which is usual for a McVay non-short yardage type play that there's a few options there for the QB to choose between to include a mid/deep route. Also in this case it's half the field with the boot. He takes the short option and of course Reynolds gets hit and his progress stopped by a guy who probably weighs 30 lbs less than him. :ROFLMAO:... Fuckin Reynolds man.


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Higs would have been a nice gainer had he hit him immediately out of his boot. But he's not thinking aggressively, he is thinking defensively. IMO. This might end up being a godsend for him. I'm serious, a short break that lets him reset himself mentally. Just hope we can get in.
I had a discussion with Jrry about this play too and felt maybe he should have gone to Higbee instead but Jrry felt it was a risky pass with a defensive player in Goffs line of sight of Higbee and felt Reynolds was a nice safe pass.

I have also looked at every other pass in the first half and Goff made the right decision every time except for the interception and should have dumped it off to Brown on one play and maybe gone to Jefferson on another play.

But other than that - all his throws were to the right person. The incompletion to Higbee that could have gone for a TD or close to the goal line should have been thrown farther so that wasn't a good pass but his long passes seem to be poorer this year for some reason.

He also threw short to Everett on that 4th and 4 throw in the Jets game.

He needs to get his timing down on deeper throws and hope the offseason will help with that.
 

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I know exactly what happened to Goff because the same thing happened to me. He got himself involved with some stripper and it has ruined his psychic, In lay men terms, he is now a head case!

yeah but have you seen that head. she has a very nice head but i don't know if the head is worth it.
 

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Rodgers signed his in the summer of 2018, Goff in the summer of 2019.

Each for a total of 134 million, each for four years

Looks like GB made a wise decision. Looks like we did not.
I am surprised that Rodgers signed for that amount because Rodgers is a proven HOF QB but again QB salaries seem to exponentially go up each year so it doesn't surprise me that Goff is making the same amount of money as Rodgers signing a year later.
 

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There's really nothing to point two over the past two seasons that show Goff as an above average QB. He's firmly below average.

I'm not saying he's the worst - but when someone could form a rational argument that he's one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL, it's not good.

You have to go back three years, and that would be like saying Gurley is still a good RB because of what he did two years ago.
And really you can make a rational argument that he's one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL when he has a winning record each year - really - that has to be one of the most unfounded statements I have ever heard.

I don't care what stats you bring up - he is a winner so he is an above average QB. He has time after time gotten us leads in the first half and when that happens, he wins. You could say it is McVay or the defense or whatever, but Goff is a large part of this teams success.

We will have to agree to disagree on this point because I am not budging from that statement.
 

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Oh please - you can't compare them because of salaries - each year the cap goes up and each year new QB salaries go up. Rodgers signed his contract quite a few years ago when QB salaries were quite a bit lower. Goff is just high since a lot of QBs signed their contracts a few years ago.
Rodgers signed one year before Goff did. Nice try tho.
You can compare them because Goff is getting paid like a HOF QB. This is a business and all these guys care about is the bottom line. You're either getting it done or you're not. Simple. And Goff isn't getting it done. I'm telling you now if mcvay has truly lost confidence in Goff the Rams will find a way to move on from him quickly. It's just how the Rams do business. And it's something I really agree with

Remember this conversation/statement, you want to see how bad Goff really is? Put him on another team, and see what type of QB he really is.
 

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Rodgers signed one year before Goff did. Nice try tho.
You can compare them because Goff is getting paid like a HOF QB. This is a business and all these guys care about is the bottom line. You're either getting it done or you're not. Simple. And Goff isn't getting it done. I'm telling you now if mcvay has truly lost confidence in Goff the Rams will find a way to move on from him quickly. It's just how the Rams do business. And it's something I really agree with

Remember this conversation/statement, you want to see how bad Goff really is? Put him on another team, and see what type of QB he really is.
Mahomes signed a year later and is making 10 million more a year. Salaries are going up exponentially so if Goff was being paid ike a HOF QB he should be making at least 5 million more that Rodgers.
 

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There's really nothing to point two over the past two seasons that show Goff as an above average QB.
Of course there is. You can point "to" 18 wins in 2 seasons
Only 6 QB have more wins in that time frame
In NFC,
Wilson 22
Brady* 22
Rodgers 25
And in AFC
Mahomes 25
Lamar 23
Allen 23

*12 w/ New England, 10 w/ TB
 

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Of course there is. You can point "to" 18 wins in 2 seasons
Only 6 QB have more wins in that time frame
In NFC,
Wilson 22
Brady* 22
Rodgers 25
And in AFC
Mahomes 25
Lamar 23
Allen 23

*12 w/ New England, 10 w/ TB
And if some receivers catch some really important passes or a placekicker makes a FG he makes in his sleep the majority of the time, he would have at least 2 to 4 more wins

And if a defense doesn't give up a 3rd and 22 play twice in a row or the refs called an unfounded PI at the end of the game - even 2 more games.

Goff has consistently kept us close in all the games he plays in the last two years except for the two games where the defense completely shit the bed.

Give Goff a center that doesn't frequently crash into him on critical throws and Goff will be a top tier winning QB.
 

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Mahomes signed a year later and is making 10 million more a year. Salaries are going up exponentially so if Goff was being paid ike a HOF QB he should be making at least 5 million more that Rodgers.
Mahomes is Jordan bro. That would make Goff Vlodi Devok. Lol

I'm stopping this convo right here because now you're just pullin hot shit outta dat ass.
 

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Mahomes is Jordan bro. That would make Goff Vlodi Devok. Lol

I'm stopping this convo right here because now you're just pullin hot shit outta dat ass.
I consider Rodgers right below Mahomes in ability. Mahomes is top tier but Aaron Rodgers is second tier in his ability to win games with a team that doesn't even have many good WR other than Adams. The only main difference between Mahomes and Rodgers is that Mahomes is a lot younger than Rodgers and that gives him a 10 year contract vs a 4 yr contract.

And I don't consider Mahomes Jordan - not yet anyway

Mahomes is Curry vs Rodgers Nowitzke

So no - I am not pulling shit out of my ass.

You may disagree with my opinion but don't insult me with blatant statements out of your ass.
 
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I consider Rodgers right below Mahomes in ability. Mahomes is top tier but Aaron Rodgers is second tier in his ability to win games with a team that doesn't even have many good WR other than Adams. The only main difference between Mahomes and Rodgers is that Mahomes is a lot younger than Rodgers and that gives him a 10 year contract vs a 4 yr contract.

And I don't consider Mahomes Jordan - not yet anyway

Mahomes is Curry vs Rodgers Nowitzke

So no - I am not pulling shit out of my ass.

You may disagree with my opinion but don't insult me with blatant statements out of your ass.

It's not disrespect I just think you're trying to make your point by making invalid statements. Shrugs
 

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I had a discussion with Jrry about this play too and felt maybe he should have gone to Higbee instead but Jrry felt it was a risky pass with a defensive player in Goffs line of sight of Higbee and felt Reynolds was a nice safe pass.
I think it shows Goff's mentality right now. QBs can actually get too careful and I think Goff is there right now.

Wasn't his only poor decision either. But not interested in shitting on him here. QBs taking the nice safe pass can hurt offensive efficiency and I think that is where he is right now.

In that game McVay mentioned QB vision to the sideline reporter. And it's not like vision is usually a prob for Jared. He generally only shows poor vision when he is rushed. It is those situations where he needs to settle down and he has done that just did vs Tampa in fact. This is why I say sitting out this game might be good for his mental outlook.
 

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I think it shows Goff's mentality right now. QBs can actually get too careful and I think Goff is there right now.

Wasn't his only poor decision either. But not interested in shitting on him here. QBs taking the nice safe pass can hurt offensive efficiency and I think that is where he is right now.

In that game McVay mentioned QB vision to the sideline reporter. And it's not like vision is usually a prob for Jared. He generally only shows poor vision when he is rushed. It is those situations where he needs to settle down and he has done that just did vs Tampa in fact. This is why I say sitting out this game might be good for his mental outlook.
Oh I don't disagree with you on that. I am a whole write up on each Goff pass in the Seattle game where I believe a more confident QB makes some of those throws you are talking about. I think it will be really good for Goff to watch the game from the sideline. And maybe get his head back in the game. I have no problem stating Goff has not played well in these two games. But to say Goff is a below average QB when he led us to victories over Tampa Bay and Arizona where he played very well, I do have a problem with that.
 

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It's not disrespect I just think you're trying to make your point by making invalid statements. Shrugs
I got a little testy there. However, I have thought about this a little more and with the way veteran QB salaries are going and the way Goff has played, I think he deserves maybe $30 million a year instead of $35 million a year but unfortunately someone else would have paid that amount for him so the Rams were forced to pay that amount especially the way he played in 2018.

I also believe you are undervaluing Goff because I don't think you have watched the ALL 22 against Seattle and seen that Goff had almost no choice for most of his passes. In the first half, I count 1 horrible (beyond horrible) pass and 2 to 3 possible decisions where he could have gone to someone else and gotten more yards. Plus he had 1 underthrown long pass to Higbee that would have gone for a TD or close to the goal line.

In addition, I will agree that he should have dove for the first down right before half time but I think he still remembers the time that he fumbled when diving forward. However, this play called for a dive since he should have been able to hit the ground before getting hit whereas the other one was what the heck were you thinking Goff diving there with a player just next to you ready to hit the ball out of your hands.

I haven't watched the second half yet but I have a feeling the thumb injury affected his decisions more than he is letting on.
 

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I think Goff and Ryan are a lot alike. I always hated the comp too. Goff being projected as Ryan I thought was underselling him a bit. But at this point it's proven to be quite accurate. Both are guys you can win with, and who can be very good with talent around them. Neither are gonna carry it though.
Agreed. I have Ryan and Goff as in the same Tier and with near exact profiles. Both pocket passers that can shred defenses and play at an MVP level with solid protection. Both highly decrease behind subpar blocking where other mobile QB’s can play better. Both have led their teams to Super Bowls without top defenses.