Big off-season question: Do the Rams keep Goff next year?

[SteezyEndo]

Bottomline we just need someone that can get Goff nervous where he fears he is not safe and not the one and only. I am hoping Wolford balls out to the point Goff feels like he is expendable. Its a business. Put up or shut up.

 

[TexasRam]

I think we have a very creative FO if they lose confidence in Goff they will move on from him. Take a look at other trades we made giving up draft pics and letting players walk. Look at gurely and cooks. No one thought they would do what they did.
Goff isn't special, he's clearly an average qb with good arm talent that makes bad decisions at least once a game. The Rams FO knows you can't be paid like a top 5 QB and play subpar like Goff has the last two seasons. Here's a good examlme of how Goff is subpar btw. Two words. Matt Ryan, the guy had a shit team around him. But he stands out on his team. Ya they suck but you can tell that team is holding him back. That's not goff.

Calvin Ridley and Julio Jones are shit?

By any measurement that is fake news.

meanwhile Ryan’s stats are near identical to Goffs this year with two of the top WR’s in football.

Average QB’s don’t outplay Mahomes and put up 55 points with lesser WR’s.

Average QB’s don’t don’t lead top Offenses in back to back years.

Jared has been inconsistent no doubt the last two years with RB issues and subpar Oline play. But so did Kurt Warner, several bad years in fact when his supporting cast was subpar.

 

[UKram]

Ya know what really makes me laugh ... if Goff was as bad as his critics say he is ... who would even trade for him ? .. Goff will be here next year for cap reasons alone .. after a quick re tool and his 4 winning season in a row under his belt .. he will be back

 

[99Balloons]

We have to keep Goff next year in the short term. Rams must draft QB next year or look for trade partner for Goff because he is not that good. After 2021, Goff is gone.

Any QB who can run and escape when the play is busted is what the Rams is looking for. Otherwise, Goff is not the one to take the team and repeat the Super Bowl like the Chief’s Mahomme.

 

[UKram]

We have to keep Goff next year in the short term. Rams must draft QB next year or look for trade partner for Goff because he is not that good. After 2021, Goff is gone.

Any QB who can run and escape when the play is busted is what the Rams is looking for. Otherwise, Goff is not the one to take the team and repeat the Super Bowl like the Chief’s Mahomme.

If he is “not that good” who will trade for him ??

 

[Memphis Ram]

Calvin Ridley and Julio Jones are shit?

By any measurement that is fake news.

meanwhile Ryan’s stats are near identical to Goffs this year with two of the top WR’s in football.

Average QB’s don’t outplay Mahomes and put up 55 points with lesser WR’s.

Average QB’s don’t don’t lead top Offenses in back to back years.

Jared has been inconsistent no doubt the last two years with RB issues and subpar Oline play. But so did Kurt Warner, several bad years in fact when his supporting cast was subpar.

To be fair, Julio Jones has missed quite a few games this season. And the Rams have a far better rushing attack to help Goff out. I think they have about 500 more rushing yards than the Falcons. Gurley is done.

Also, Samson Ekubam scored 2 of those TDs vs. the Chiefs and I'm not so certain about the Rams have lesser WRs then.

 

[Memphis Ram]

The way I understand it, when traded, the team receiving the player is only on the hook for the remaining salary, and the team trading the player away gets hit with all the bonus monies that are either guaranteed and/or being prorated from previous payout.
So my guess would be trading before deadline would make the remaining signing bonus (15M) + 2021 & 2022 roster bonus (18M) and restructure monies (7.2M) be the immediate cap hit (40.2M). However if he were traded after deadline, it would spread out the hit over 2 years as the 2022 roster bonus (15.5M) would carry over to 2022 cap, reducing the hit in 2021 to 25.7M?
Where's @flv when you need him.

When a player is traded, only prorated bonus money is accelerated against the cap. Any guaranteed base salaries will become the liability of the player's new team.

According to overthecap.com

 

[dieterbrock]

When a player is traded, only prorated bonus money is accelerated against the cap. Any guaranteed base salaries will become the liability of the player's new team.

According to overthecap.com

Agreed, the roster bonus isnt base salary, and though its supposed to hit the cap in the year its paid, I think that goes on the Rams tab because it became guaranteed in 2020 (Just a guess on my part, probably worng). If its just a matter of being on the hook for the remaining signing bonus proration (15M) and restructure proration (7.2M) a trade would "only" take a 22.2 mill hit, which is cheaper than his salary/bonus of 27.8M. Would just be a matter of what salary they would be taking back in return. In the example of a swap of QB's, Wentz is guaranteed 25.5 mill so if they swapped, the QB spot would take up nearly 50M of cap space?
Yikes

 

[TexasRam]

To be fair, Julio Jones has missed quite a few games this season. And the Rams have a far better rushing attack to help Goff out. I think they have about 500 more rushing yards than the Falcons. Gurley is done.

Also, Samson Ekubam scored 2 of those TDs vs. the Chiefs and I'm not so certain about the Rams have lesser WRs then.

Travis Kelsey as a TE is 2nd with 1400 yards among TE and WR’s. Hill has 15 TD’s. These guys were pro bowlers before Mahomes was there. Woods was nothing before Goff and Kupp wasn’t even there for the super bowl run. It’s not much of a comparison. Your taking consensus pro bowlers vs two high level #2 WR’s and Malcolm Brown for the most part

 

[Tano]

To be fair, Julio Jones has missed quite a few games this season. And the Rams have a far better rushing attack to help Goff out. I think they have about 500 more rushing yards than the Falcons. Gurley is done.

Also, Samson Ekubam scored 2 of those TDs vs. the Chiefs and I'm not so certain about the Rams have lesser WRs then.

Okay you are just making excuses now

50 points is a lot of points whether the defense scored two TDs or not

And Goff kept bringing them back in that game.

If you look at the 2018 Goff vs this years Goff, I believe Goff had a half second longer in the pocket.

He is an excellent QB when given time and can shred any defense.

Ryan is a very good QB and I think Goff is very similar to him. I don't know which one is better because I have seen Ryan make dumb mistakes too.

Mobile QBs, on the other hand, are not for long in this league unless you are a Wilson or Mahomes who avoid getting hit hard.

Cam Newton is a shell of his self from getting hit so much. Murray is already showing signs of getting hit too often.

And I am concerned that Lamar and Allen are going to be done as mobile passers in a couple years if they keep getting hit as hard as they do.

However, I think Allen could turn himself into a pocket passer if that happens, whereas Lamar and Murray would be completely done.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Just fix the center position and I think Goff improves 100%.

Of quite a few of the passing plays I have reviewed in the Jets and Seattle game where Goff got either sacked or pressured to get the ball away within a sec or two, it is almost always Blythe who ole's his block. Fix the center position and both our running game and passing game becomes a high end offense again.

I knew Sullivan was getting old but he would have been a 1000 times improvement over what Allen and Blythe gave us.

Find a better center and it also improves the play of both guards.

It’s frustrating. The Niners signed Brunskill off the Falcons PS. He was an UDFA. Other teams have good centers. Why can’t the Ramsget one. It is a huge weakness.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Jalen Hurts was a second round pick.

Personally, I'd go for a top center. There's good wide receivers later on in the draft, but a top center like Myers or Humphrey would transform this team.

But we cannot ignore our defense. An outside linebacker is a must, since I highly doubt we'll keep Floyd or Ebukam. Likewise, a top inside linebacker could seriously upgrade our defense.

The developmental quarterback I have my eye on is Desmond Ridder (Cincinnati).

It’s likely that they take a step back next year. Too many areas to be fixed.

 

[PhillyRam]

It’s likely that they take a step back next year. Too many areas to be fixed.

Where have I heard that before?

Also could be a case where the youngest starting 22 in the league matures and improves in a number of areas.

Adding one deep threat could be huge.

Akers & Henderson just improving and maturing will be huge. Hopefully Corbett & Edwards can improve. Add a young more physical center who can step in by mid season could be big.

Not to mention just improving STs. That alone can be done with better coaching and make a big difference and could win a game or two.

So a lot of areas can get better with only a few resources required to do so in my view.

 

[Ramstien]

I know exactly what happened to Goff because the same thing happened to me. He got himself involved with some stripper and it has ruined his psychic, In lay men terms, he is now a head case!

 

[Jacobarch]

Calvin Ridley and Julio Jones are shit?

By any measurement that is fake news.

meanwhile Ryan’s stats are near identical to Goffs this year with two of the top WR’s in football.

Average QB’s don’t outplay Mahomes and put up 55 points with lesser WR’s.

Average QB’s don’t don’t lead top Offenses in back to back years.

Jared has been inconsistent no doubt the last two years with RB issues and subpar Oline play. But so did Kurt Warner, several bad years in fact when his supporting cast was subpar.

Um sorry but JJ has only played 9 games this season. When he's healthy (when he's healthy) you can throw him in the mix but I can't remember the last time julio jones played a full season. Ridley is a nice player you're right. But that's about where the buck stops on that shitty ass falcons team. Bad coaches, bad players and a terrible front office. So no, it's not fake news. Goff has a much better team around him that Matt ryan does, sorry but you can't really argue that's a fact. Yet I don't see Matt ryan making the bone headed mistakes that JG makes on a weekly basis. This isn't about raw numbers this is about being an ascending player and not someone who brings down your whole team.
Look I was a huge JG supporter and I still want to be but what I've seen the last two seasons is two things. A player who's lost confidence and a player that's been figured out by NFL defenses. Problem is w Goff is as soon as NFL defenses knew mcvay was whispering to Goff before the 15 second marker was up they stopped snowing their hand. It's really proof that Goff doesn't know how to read a defense. Need I go on? No, you're seeing it unfold right in front of your eyes. The Rams entire offense isn't perfect and they don't need to be. But they need someone at the helm who actually makes the people around him better. Not worse, Goff is on a downward trend, and I can't defend him anymore.

 

[Ramstien]

I would give my right nut for the Rams to be able to trade Goff and some other team pick up that ridiculously stupid contract.

 

[Tano]

Um sorry but JJ has only played 9 games this season. When he's healthy (when he's healthy) you can throw him in the mix but I can't remember the last time julio jones played a full season. Ridley is a nice player you're right. But that's about where the buck stops on that shitty ass falcons team. Bad coaches, bad players and a terrible front office. So no, it's not fake news. Goff has a much better team around him that Matt ryan does, sorry but you can't really argue that's a fact. Yet I don't see Matt ryan making the bone headed mistakes that JG makes on a weekly basis. This isn't about raw numbers this is about being an ascending player and not someone who brings down your whole team.
Look I was a huge JG supporter and I still want to be but what I've seen the last two seasons is two things. A player who's lost confidence and a player that's been figured out by NFL defenses. Problem is w Goff is as soon as NFL defenses knew mcvay was whispering to Goff before the 15 second marker was up they stopped snowing their hand. It's really proof that Goff doesn't know how to read a defense. Need I go on? No, you're seeing it unfold right in front of your eyes. The Rams entire offense isn't perfect and they don't need to be. But they need someone at the helm who actually makes the people around him better. Not worse, Goff is on a downward trend, and I can't defend him anymore.

I haven't watch an Atlanta game this year so I can't tell you for sure what is happening with that team in regards to Matt Ryan but I can tell you that Matt Ryan has over 5 years more experience than Goff.

Yes Goff has 5 years experience but I know from the past, pocket passers (and I stress pocket passers) do not get into their prime until their 6th thru 10th years. Goff just needs to stop making the really bad decisions and he is a very good QB. Against Seattle, he completed some passes into extremely tight windows.

 

[Tano]

I would give my right nut for the Rams to be able to trade Goff and some other team pick up that ridiculously stupid contract.

It won't be a ridiculous contract after next year. So 1 more year with a "ridiculous contract as you say" and then hoping that Goff stops with the ridiculous decisions, the Rams will be in great shape.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Travis Kelsey as a TE is 2nd with 1400 yards among TE and WR’s. Hill has 15 TD’s. These guys were pro bowlers before Mahomes was there. Woods was nothing before Goff and Kupp wasn’t even there for the super bowl run. It’s not much of a comparison. Your taking consensus pro bowlers vs two high level #2 WR’s and Malcolm Brown for the most part

I'd say the main difference between Higbee and Kelsey is opportunity. The former put up crazy numbers when given the opportunity last year. Won me money in fantasy football. Imagine what he could have done if Goff extended plays like Machines.

Woods was a good WR who battled injuries and horrible QB play in Buffalo. But Brandon Cooks put up big numbers with 3 different teams. He didn't keep getting dealt for 1st round picks & get that big contract because he was chopped liver.

While I'd rather have Hill over Cooks, I'd also rather have Woods over Conley. And, IMO, both Cooks and Higbee could have been Pro Bowlers (popularity contest) with the same amount of opportunities in KC, too.

 

[Turducken]

I think we have Goff through next two seasons unless we find a trading partner. Ironically, the part of our fanbase who are loudly clamoring for McVay to bench/cut/shoot Goff are only making it harder for another GM to assume the risk of his hefty contract.