Big off-season question: Do the Rams keep Goff next year?

[Merlin]

Blythe was a solid starter through the first half of the sched. Seems to me that the play of the OGs next to him were a big part of that too. But I don't want to take cred from him for how he played or anything it was good enough early on.

Corbett's been fucking up of late too. But with him there's a little more leeway irt his experience and whatnot at least in my mind. He has talent which is important.

IMO the best play for us is to lock up Floyd (if we lose him we're gonna lose a lot of this defense's mentality up front) and redo Goff's deal to make his cap hit more palatable. Then try to find a Center in the draft and pray to the football Gods that Whit can play well in 2021.

That's how I'd approach it and in there somewhere would be drafting a QB I like if I see one at any point in the draft. With this staff IMO we should always have a developmental guy on the books getting coached up. To not do that is a mistake by Snead in that he's not tapping that coaching talent. Those QBs can be used to solve QB issues or flipped for a boost in draft value.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

IMO, that why you draft somebody early this year and reevaluate in 2022 as @JackAttack85 so eloquently communicated.

I would love for Wolford to light it up, but I'm not sure that will be the case. Draft someone like Jamie Newman, (who I like) 3rd round, however, knowing the Rams they will draft someone like Sam Ehlinger or Kellen Mond and see how Goff responds.

Right now my biggest issue with Goff is from the neck up, hopefully, with an offseason of conditioning and maybe they can have him work with Jordan Palmer, we see a different Goff in 2021.

Ok, but no one named Jamie, please. Been there done that.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

In addition, I have called Blythe's blocks as OLE so often now that I will now only refer to him as the Matador.

Sorry - I shouldn't name call but damn - so many OLE blocks.

Matador technique.

 

[Merlin]

View: https://youtu.be/4ITxVa4euOI



View: https://youtu.be/Cc674dVRves

 

[den-the-coach]

Ok, but no one named Jamie, please. Been there done that.

I thought that originally too, but you can’t go by a lack of success by Jamie Martin.

 

[Merlin]

Lot of Rams discussion in this one.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXFVKb2jpUo

 

[Merlin]

Also irt the vid above... They discuss the Chiefs not looking the same on offense without CEH. Yeah this just in: the RB position still matters in this league even if you have Mahomey in the backfield at QB.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

I thought that originally too, but you can’t go by a lack of success by Jamie Martin.

That’s a fair statement. Still...

 

[Memphis Ram]

Goff can't be released for salary cap purposes.

But, if the overthecap website is correct, he can be traded and the team get some cap relief.
$12,425,000 cap savings if traded before June 1st
$27,825,000 cap savings if traded after June 1st

Just a matter of having a trade partner.

 

[Mackeyser]

Goff can't be released for salary cap purposes.

But, if the overthecap website is correct, he can be traded and the team get some cap relief.
$12,425,000 cap savings if traded before June 1st
$27,825,000 cap savings if traded after June 1st

Just a matter of having a trade partner.

over what would be paid, sure, but that still means a cap hit of $65M. Even spread out over 2 years, it's $32.5M dead money for two years for him to play for someone else.

Trading or moving Goff would put us in cap hell, no two ways about it.

 

[Memphis Ram]

over what would be paid, sure, but that still means a cap hit of $65M. Even spread out over 2 years, it's $32.5M dead money for two years for him to play for someone else.

Trading or moving Goff would put us in cap hell, no two ways about it.

I guess I'm not seeing what you are seeing. From what I'm reading a trade affects the cap differently than a release.

There's no $65 million cap hit if he's traded.

This is why the Texans sent a 2nd round pick to the Browns along with QB Brock Osweiler instead of just releasing him.

 

[Flint]

Getting rid of Goff would impact the whole team, that massive cap hit would force cuts up and down the roster. Then once you cut him (who’s trading for that contract) who do you replace him with? A rookie picked in the 2nd? A veteran looking for a new start? Cam? Jameis? Rosen? Neither one of those options sounds great, so the better option might be to shore up some of the other issues.
The rams had 2 chances to get 4 yds vs the Jets and threw it twice, they had 4 chances from the 1 against Seattle and got nothing, they need more from the line and the run game. If McVay wants to run the ball and play defense great, but scoring 9 points ain’t gonna win many games in today’s nfl, every drive can’t be 10 plays. We need more offense.

 

[Ramlock]

Let's say Wolford lights it up and the offense puts up 30 - 40 points vs. Arizona. Next, they decide to keep rolling with Wolford for whatever reason (the spark on offense, Goff injury slowly heals) and the offense continues to put up points all the way to a Championship.

Un-frickin-likely

.25% happening

 

[dieterbrock]

I guess I'm not seeing what you are seeing. From what I'm reading a trade affects the cap differently than a release.

There's no $65 million cap hit if he's traded.

This is why the Texans sent a 2nd round pick to the Browns along with QB Brock Osweiler instead of just releasing him.

The way I understand it, when traded, the team receiving the player is only on the hook for the remaining salary, and the team trading the player away gets hit with all the bonus monies that are either guaranteed and/or being prorated from previous payout.
So my guess would be trading before deadline would make the remaining signing bonus (15M) + 2021 & 2022 roster bonus (18M) and restructure monies (7.2M) be the immediate cap hit (40.2M). However if he were traded after deadline, it would spread out the hit over 2 years as the 2022 roster bonus (15.5M) would carry over to 2022 cap, reducing the hit in 2021 to 25.7M?
Where's @flv when you need him.

 

[Boston Ram]

QB is arguably the most important position on the field, so I always think it important to have a better than average backup in case of injury. Also if you draft a good young QB and Goff works out you have a trade chip as well.

We will find out Sunday if Wolfie is that guy or not i suppose.

 

[…..]

Ya Goff isnt going anywhere. He’ll be back next year and probably better than ever.

But the fact that this thread exists signals the fans are losing patience. Thank goodness the season is almost over and we can get to other business, otherwise we’d have a division of ranks around here.

I hope they put some man wieght on him over the off season and teach him how to get that last yard and a first down.

Several improvements not directly related to Goff will improve Goff. Playcalling needs to open up, the line needs improvement up the middle, we know all the subtle things that have dominoed its affect onto Goff. Well, those things most likely will not be as detrimental next year with alittle retooling.

One thing Im on record for saying is that he isnt tough enough. Those were perhaps the wrong choice of words for what is actually hindering him at times. We wont open that can again, but I believe its at least fair to say we need to light a fire under his ass and get some Ram spirit working through his blood. If McVay is going to treat him like a delicate then he’s going to act like a delicate. So its probably more a team culture thing rather than an individual thing.

So clearly we’re immersed in some kind of warped reality where we are forced to legitimately discuss these things. But Ideally, this will be the only week we need to hear the talking heads dish on Goff. Maybe the back up will ball out and change the narrative and allow Goff to recover his thumb and his self worth without all the negative attention and pressure.

 

[Neil039]

Besides being angry with the team...mho is that Goff is apart of the big problem that Sneed and McVay have created.

This team had a successful formula...solid Oline play ....that lead to a quality running game...that opened up the intermediate to deep passing game. That’s all gone and the offense is predictable and easily defended (watch Seattle game for proof).

The online isn’t that good, no matter how much we want it to be. Akers appears to have the right stuff (great movie). V Jefferson in the 3rd round for a whopping 15 game totals of 170 yds receiving and 1 TD. Puzzling to say the least. A quality C or OG would have been huge there. (?). No offense to VJ.

Sneed continues to wheel and deal 1st round picks. At some point it would be great to get some young affordable talent on the team. Ramsey is a stud, hopefully he was the last massive draft player swap for the foreseeable future.

Goff is here to stay, the focus needs to be putting a better OL in front of him with a true deep threat.

Excuse any typos please.

 

[PhillyRam]

Getting rid of Goff would impact the whole team, that massive cap hit would force cuts up and down the roster. Then once you cut him (who’s trading for that contract) who do you replace him with? A rookie picked in the 2nd? A veteran looking for a new start? Cam? Jameis? Rosen? Neither one of those options sounds great, so the better option might be to shore up some of the other issues.
The rams had 2 chances to get 4 yds vs the Jets and threw it twice, they had 4 chances from the 1 against Seattle and got nothing, they need more from the line and the run game. If McVay wants to run the ball and play defense great, but scoring 9 points ain’t gonna win many games in today’s nfl, every drive can’t be 10 plays. We need more offense.

Yep, at the very least you see what he does next year while fixing a few holes.

At worst you have an easy out after 22' if he continues to struggle and in that instance you save several million against the cap. Also, if you do it as soon as after 21' there is no additional hit for release, but very little savings.

 

[Raptorman]

The way I understand it, when traded, the team receiving the player is only on the hook for the remaining salary, and the team trading the player away gets hit with all the bonus monies that are either guaranteed and/or being prorated from previous payout.
So my guess would be trading before deadline would make the remaining signing bonus (15M) + 2021 & 2022 roster bonus (18M) and restructure monies (7.2M) be the immediate cap hit (40.2M). However if he were traded after deadline, it would spread out the hit over 2 years as the 2022 roster bonus (15.5M) would carry over to 2022 cap, reducing the hit in 2021 to 25.7M?
Where's @flv when you need him.

Traded he would account for $28 million in dead cap.

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[Jacobarch]

I think we have a very creative FO if they lose confidence in Goff they will move on from him. Take a look at other trades we made giving up draft pics and letting players walk. Look at gurely and cooks. No one thought they would do what they did.
Goff isn't special, he's clearly an average qb with good arm talent that makes bad decisions at least once a game. The Rams FO knows you can't be paid like a top 5 QB and play subpar like Goff has the last two seasons. Here's a good examlme of how Goff is subpar btw. Two words. Matt Ryan, the guy had a shit team around him. But he stands out on his team. Ya they suck but you can tell that team is holding him back. That's not goff.