Antonio Brown saga

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@Dieter the Brock Is English really meant to be malleable? Or do people just take liberties? Or has it simply devolved? At one time proper English was a real thing. It eroded in people lacking a quality education. Rural areas and newly settled areas, as people moved west, moved them farther from British influence and it's proper English language. The American melting pot combined influences from other languages too. (Go to North Dakota for one that is easily discerned, for example. The Nordic influence is obvious. Or Louisiana and it's French Creole influence.)

If English is meant to be malleable then so is every other language that has/had an expanding population or is influenced by immigration. My uncle studied language. He spoke 7 different languages and he bristled at abuse of proper grammar. He was 90 when he passed last year. You could call him the old guard, but he would vehemently disagree with your statement. English isn't meant to be malleable, but due to time and external influences it just is. It's like all languages. We make it so, to fit our unique situations and regional influences.
 

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OK, you didn't use the apostrophe. I don't care. But at least you said 'couldn't', which is more accurate than 'could care less.' An old gf tried to argue with me that 'could care less' is literally wrong and only makes the speaker look stupid.

I then said I could care less. . . :p

Then explained the sarcastic intent of the phrase.

And before you all tell me to stop pontificating, I majored in linguistics and teach this shit. But I don't get many opportunities to flaunt my linguistic peacock feathers, so I could care less if you all could care less :p
Well, you shouldn't of bothered to argue with an ex in the first place, even if for your own amusement, no one never wins nothing in those situations anyway.

Finna put a ratchet ho in er place be like training for the spursial-ympics.
 

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You know Brown does have one good point. Where is the discipline on Kraft from his massage parlor incident?
Good question. Rumor has it that Kraft is looking to acquire his own fleet of massage parlor “tug” boats.

To your question: Lots of money buys really good attorneys that can “get you off.”
 
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We have been having English class. Let's go to Math class for a minute. We were always told, hey, math is fun. This really is fun!

If you cut A.B. the moment you find out about the lawsuit that equals $9,000,0000 in your pocket.
Let him play in one game you win 43 to 0, and then you don't have $9,000,000 in your pocket.

Ross Perot would have called this "Fuzzy Math" as it just doesn't make sense.
Against the Dolphins, Brown had 4 catches. That's $2,225,000 per catch.
He had a total of 56 receiving yards. That equals $161,000 per yard.
He had 1 touchdown that you could say cost Kraft $9,000,000.

So, unfortunately, we go another day in the real world where we don't have to use Algebra.
Kraft should have someones head on a platter for not having open eyes and watching out for his best interest. Kronke will read about this blunder or already knows about it, and appreciates Snead and Demoff even more. This one really did slip through the cracks and it was right there to be seen.

Closing note.
Do you know what would be a perfect fit for life after football for A.B.? A.B. teaming up with "Big Baller Brand" shoes. That would be an epic circus. Please make it happen.
 

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@Dieter the Brock Is English really meant to be malleable? Or do people just take liberties? Or has it simply devolved? At one time proper English was a real thing. It eroded in people lacking a quality education. Rural areas and newly settled areas, as people moved west, moved them farther from British influence and it's proper English language. The American melting pot combined influences from other languages too. (Go to North Dakota for one that is easily discerned, for example. The Nordic influence is obvious. Or Louisiana and it's French Creole influence.)

If English is meant to be malleable then so is every other language that has/had an expanding population or is influenced by immigration. My uncle studied language. He spoke 7 different languages and he bristled at abuse of proper grammar. He was 90 when he passed last year. You could call him the old guard, but he would vehemently disagree with your statement. English isn't meant to be malleable, but due to time and external influences it just is. It's like all languages. We make it so, to fit our unique situations and regional influences.

Not really....

What you suggest is that there is a decay of sorts in language that has somehow “eroded,” or “devolved” when in fact it has done neither — if anything it constantly evolves for reasons that are totally opposite from what you suggest. I mean when did “proper” English really start?

And regards to your Uncle, as brilliant as he sounds, it is clear he was on the technician side of things rather than the literature side. But even on the technical side he might have failed to understand the history of linguistics and that it is malleable and always changing. Linguistics masters know this.

Hearing someone speak differently from you may or may not annoy you personally — but just cause it annoys you doesn’t make it wrong, inappropriate, or unnatural, but it’s just how language works.

My comments were in reference to Memento who claimed she was an author but bristles at poor grammar — and my suggestion was that being so technical will get in the way of your art. That is all.

But more on the evolution of language - you have to go further back than just from 1940 to 2019 to understand what is really happening — I mean language has been evolving constantly since the beginning of mankind

Check out Anthony Burgess, one of my favorite writers and a linguistics master - author of A Clockwork Orange (the book not the movie)

He breaks down the word MOUSE here in this video.


View: https://vimeo.com/207089865
 
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My comments were in reference to Memento who claimed she was an author but bristles at poor grammar — and my suggestion was that being so technical will get in the way of your art. That is all.

Like I mentioned before, I don't let being technical interfere with my writing because I don't hesitate to write in differing dialects. That's perfectly all right. Every author and authoress has a signature style that they use. That is perfectly fine as well. What I bristle at is when people who should know better use poor grammar anyway. There's nothing in the English language - or any language or dialect - that Antonio Brown was typing. This is a man who claims that he's going back to school, who wants to get his degree, and nothing he's saying makes any sense.

I'm sorry, but you have to see the irony in what Brown's saying. He got his high school degree. He's gone to college. He's supposedly taking online classes. And yet he's making mistakes in his writing that get corrected in elementary school. It is really not that hard to use full stops to separate a run-on sentence. I learned that very early on.
 

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Yep. Theirs a value in creating, evolving, and pushing the boundarys of lagnuage, as well as in standardizashion. Its all about your porpoise in riting.
But not spelling.
@Dieter the Brock Is English really meant to be malleable? Or do people just take liberties? Or has it simply devolved? At one time proper English was a real thing. It eroded in people lacking a quality education. Rural areas and newly settled areas, as people moved west, moved them farther from British influence and it's proper English language. The American melting pot combined influences from other languages too. (Go to North Dakota for one that is easily discerned, for example. The Nordic influence is obvious. Or Louisiana and it's French Creole influence.)

If English is meant to be malleable then so is every other language that has/had an expanding population or is influenced by immigration. My uncle studied language. He spoke 7 different languages and he bristled at abuse of proper grammar. He was 90 when he passed last year. You could call him the old guard, but he would vehemently disagree with your statement. English isn't meant to be malleable, but due to time and external influences it just is. It's like all languages. We make it so, to fit our unique situations and regional influences.

Well your uncle lived to see Ebonics. (Oh to be a fly on that wall.) How did your uncle explain the great differences between Old English and Modern English? Change is evolution. Or devolution depending upon your view. Even the style of writing the alphabet has changed and the alphabet itself has changed from well over 30 letters in Old English to the 26 letters in english today.
 

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Like I mentioned before, I don't let being technical interfere with my writing because I don't hesitate to write in differing dialects. That's perfectly all right. Every author and authoress has a signature style that they use. That is perfectly fine as well. What I bristle at is when people who should know better use poor grammar anyway. There's nothing in the English language - or any language or dialect - that Antonio Brown was typing. This is a man who claims that he's going back to school, who wants to get his degree, and nothing he's saying makes any sense.

I'm sorry, but you have to see the irony in what Brown's saying. He got his high school degree. He's gone to college. He's supposedly taking online classes. And yet he's making mistakes in his writing that get corrected in elementary school. It is really not that hard to use full stops to separate a run-on sentence. I learned that very early on.

AB the brand stated it was his persona
I bet he writes just fine when he wants to

Check the Burgess video i posted. It has nothing to do with education.

There are bigger issues with Antonio Brown and his diva attitude than his grammar
 

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It's silly to think adhering to a rigid standard is always the best choice. Language and even standards will always evolve and different approaches will always be suitable for different purposes, different settings, different audiences, etc. Code switching is just another form of literacy.
 

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The most humourous coincidence of the day award goes to....
 

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But not spelling.


Well your uncle lived to see Ebonics. (Oh to be a fly on that wall.) How did your uncle explain the great differences between Old English and Modern English? Change is evolution. Or devolution depending upon your view. Even the style of writing the alphabet has changed and the alphabet itself has changed from well over 30 letters in Old English to the 26 letters in english today.

But no language is designed to change. They just do. The English language today has devolved in my opinion. I’m sure my uncle felt the same. Vocabulary has really taken a hit using uncommon words doesn’t work in today’s society, except for certain circles. Not knowing words was a peeve of my Uncle’s. He was a cross between old English and modern English. He was impossible to defeat at Scrabble and he never used a dictionary. Any time we doubted him we were in the wrong.
 

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AB the brand stated it was his persona
I bet he writes just fine when he wants to

Check the Burgess video i posted. It has nothing to do with education.

There are bigger issues with Antonio Brown and his diva attitude than his grammar

I will agree with the bolded sentence.
 

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In a 35-page motion requesting court sanctions this week, an opposing attorney in a property damage lawsuit against Antonio Brown accused the star NFL wideout of “tumultuous tirades”, “defiant rants” and “profane language” that the lawyer claims derailed the taking of a deposition in the case in late September.

The allegations were detailed in a motion filed by the opposing attorney this week, in the midst of a civil lawsuit against Brown for allegedly causing nearly $100,000 in damages to a luxury high-rise condo rental that Brown inhabited into early 2018. After eight months of legal jabbing between Brown and the owner of the unit, the wideout finally sat for a court-ordered deposition on Sept. 24. According to the opposing attorney, Brown wrecked the proceedings with a litany of “reprehensible behavior”. The lawyer now wants the judge in the case to order a new deposition, with the inclusion of a court-appointed special master who would oversee the proceedings and hold Brown accountable for any actions taken during the session.
Brown’s attorney, Darren Heitner, told Yahoo Sports that a legal response to the allegations and motion was in the process of being prepared for submission to the court as early as Thursday.
Sep 15, 2019; Miami Gardens, FL, USA; New England Patriots wide receiver Antonio Brown (17) warms up prior to the game against the Miami Dolphins at Hard Rock Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jasen Vinlove-USA TODAY Sports

Antonio Brown's behavior at a deposition is facing legal scrutiny. (USA TODAY Sports)
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Among the incidents highlighted in the motion — which opposing lawyer George Minksi claims “warrants the imposition of monetary sanctions” and more — Brown is alleged to have:
  • Arrived nearly 30 minutes late to the deposition.
  • Acted “belligerent and pugnacious, refusing to answer the most routine of questions, despite there being no objection to the questioning coming from his counsel.”
  • “[C]hanted, over and over, as if a mantra, a narrative of his own warped concept of the proceeding”.
  • “Acting as if he was above the rule of law, [Brown] proceeded to make a mockery of the deposition process. [Brown’s] antics were so unreasonable that barely twenty [20] minutes into the deposition, his counsel asked for a break [so] he could speak with [Brown] about his demeanor.”
  • “When the deposition resumed, [Brown] began texting on his cell phone. Regardless of multiple requests from his own counsel, and from the undersigned, [Brown] continued texting”.
  • “After approximately 20-30 minutes, [Brown] required another break. When the deposition resumed [Brown] increased his level of obstructive behavior. At one point, [Brown] refused to answer any questions, instead saying “next question” no less than 10 times.”
  • “Soon thereafter, [Brown] started announcing a countdown, starting at ‘five (5) minutes,’ and counting down the minutes thereafter. Before noon [Brown] left the conference room.”
According to the allegations in the motion, Brown’s lawyer waited a few minutes and then left the proceedings, then returned and announced that Brown had left and “volunteered, to the effect, that Plaintiff’s counsel could now file its motion for sanctions.”

To back up the claims made in the motion, the opposing attorney said the recording of the deposition would be filed into record so “the Court may actually see [Brown’s] shenanigans.” A hearing is tentatively scheduled for Oct. 8 to hash out a motion by Brown’s attorneys to either quash the deposition and/or grant a protective order for the video and materials produced in the one that took place on Sept. 24. That would likely help to keep the video from public view, including any media or NFL teams that might still be considering signing Brown in the future.

The opposing counsel asked that a number of sanctions be considered in relation to the September deposition, including a default judgement in the case, awarding of opposing attorney’s fees, and/or the cost of including a special master to oversee the proceedings if another deposition is warranted in the case.

The deposition has no bearing on the civil suit filed against Brown by his former trainer, Britney Taylor, who is alleging that the wideout committed acts of sexual assault and rape against her in three incidents in 2017 and 2018. Brown’s behavior in this deposition might be germane to the preparation of Taylor’s attorneys, who will seek a deposition of him in the process of that civil case. NFL investigators are also expecting to sit down with Brown as part of their probe into allegations brought by Taylor and a second woman, who was identified in a Sports Illustrated story where she alleged sexual misconduct by Brown while she painted a mural in his home.

As far as his NFL career stands, Brown is currently a free agent and is in the process of preparing nine grievances against the New England Patriots and Oakland Raiders, in hopes of recouping $61 million in lost salary and guarantees.
 

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Antonio Brown Wants Patriots To Take Him Back: 'Let Me Earn My Money'

Antonio Brown is already wishing he was back on the New England Patriots, despite the fact that he trashed team owner Robert Kraft on his way out the door.

The free agent wide receiver posted an instagram live video from Miami on Wednesday morning, during which he described himself as the best receiver in the game and encouraged his supporters to reach out to the Patriots on his behalf.
“[If] you guys follow the Patriots, tell them to call me,” Brown says. “They still gotta pay me, so might as well let me earn it.”
Brown recently filed an NFL-record nine grievances in an effort to recoup all of the money he lost when he was released by the Oakland Raiders and New England Patriots, which works out to approximately $40 million. Thus far, neither team has paid AB as they wait for the NFL to conclude their investigation into sexual assault allegations filed against him.


View: https://twitter.com/DakRandall/status/1181962823351619584


Since being released by the Patriots on September 20, Brown has re-enrolled at Central Michigan University and has planned to visit a number of local high school football teams in the Miami area. On the flip side, he was reportedly "extremely noncompliant and flagrantly disorderly," during his recent appearance in court stemming from an incident that occurred at his Miami condo back in April.

Whatever happens next in the bizarre world of Antonio Brown, you can certainly rule out a return to the New England Patriots, know matter how much money they have to pay him.
 

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What an asshat. He seems to be in complete denial. How can anyone grow up and be so entitled?

I'd venture to guess that as a star athlete his entire life, he was allowed by coaches all the way down to peewee league to get away with bad behavior. Ditto with his high school coaches and college. Then Pittsburgh covered up his antics for years. It's all about winning. Until it's not.