Allen Robinson To Rams

[jjab360]

What I don't get is that McVay had Tavon Austin and traded him instead of using him. Tutu is similar so it's a bit puzzling to me.

Salary dump. He was getting paid way more than it would have been worth to keep him around.

 

[wolfdogg]

We get it. You were right and McVay and Snead were wrong. Why don't they just admit it was the worst pick ever and cut the guy right now?

I don't hink you do get it. I never said he was their worst pick ever and I've said in this thread that I don't think they should cut him.

If you want to take my reasonable assessment and elevate it hyperbole that's on you

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Wasted pick? looks more like the case than not. Should cut him? no. Won't crack the starting lineup? That's joke, right? Kupp and Arob will be the top duo in the league and obj is kinda better. Like alot better. Van jefferson has better tape. So maybe pump the brakes on the starter speculation.

I have been all for hopkins from the day we drafted him but the dynamics are different in the TE room. It was clear to many that everette was out due to his contract and that the rams couldn't keep him and higbee so we needed a new talent. And even though he has done less than tutu I still think he will eventually bring more to the success of the team.

I'm just giving my assessment of a player based on what we have seen so far, which is also the same assessment I had when the rams drafted him. If he does anything to prove otherwise I will be the first to give him props and say I was wrong

Blanton was ahead of Hopkins on the depth chart. Neither is a good enough run blocker. I’d expect a Tight End to be taken in the draft.

We get it. You were right and McVay and Snead were wrong. Why don't they just admit it was the worst pick ever and cut the guy right now?

We hear so much about BPA at a position of need. From a BPA aspect it looks like a clear miss at this point, at the very least a round or two early. When you see a guy that can fill a need and looked like BPA when the Rams picked, go on to excel, and the other flop, it’s obvious.

Nobody expects them to cut Tutu I’m sure they will give him more time, just like Hopkins. The first four years of a contract are too cost effective to give up on a player. If history repeats itself Snead and McVay will give Tutu a ridiculous contract first and then trade or cut him.

Put things into context. Seventh round Skowronek contributed more to the team than Atwell, or even Harris for that matter. Snead’s love of athletic freaks can sometimes blur his vision a bit on draft day. Terrell Lewis is another example.

Tutu - speed over size
Harris - athleticism over rawness
Lewis - athleticism over health
Hopkins - athleticism over hands

Maybe that’s what has to happen with picks after round three, but I recall the story of Snead being gleeful when Kupp ran slow enough to push him to round three. I’d rather he makes sure skills, work ethic and knowledge can translate to the league before falling in love with crazy athleticism.

 

[LA1980]

Oh lighten up dieter Jesus.

Fact is McVay rarely says what he fucking thinks of players if it includes any negativity. And when he has, generally it precludes a move of said player. Simple point there. If you are looking for another thread duel though take your nonsense elsewhere.

I agree with dieter, there is nothing to be gained from airing dirty laundry. Yes, they are facile cliches, but that is the point. Be glib and empty with the press, honest and direct behind closed doors. It is not a hard concept to grasp.

 

[PhillyRam]

When he was drafted I said he wouldn't finish the season...check. I said he wouldn't be better than our 5th option..check. I said we should have drafted humphrey...double check, and I don't see anything to remotely suggest that any of that will change. do you? But now that this IS the CURRENT reality, I'm the pessimist? thats just ridiculous.

Why would you want the offense to carve out a role when throwing to kupp, arob, akers, and higbee is a better option? To try and justify a bad draft pick? as good as snead is, he's not infallible, as we have seen. And, no, his size is not a good thing. When has that size been a good thing in the nfl? seriously, give one example. Prototypical size means shit, but being the smallest offensive player in the league means alot, as we have already seen, and will continue to see. You're right it's not my skilled analysis or luck, it's the history of the NFL.

You should apply for Snead's job. We will give a good reference.

 

[PhillyRam]

Oh lighten up dieter Jesus.

Fact is McVay rarely says what he fucking thinks of players if it includes any negativity. And when he has, generally it precludes a move of said player. Simple point there. If you are looking for another thread duel though take your nonsense elsewhere.

He was publicly critical of Darrel Henderson during his rookie yr in regards to learning the playbook if I recall correctly.

So maybe it's just him sending a message. Hopefully it was received. We shall see.

 

[dieterbrock]

Oh lighten up dieter Jesus.

Fact is McVay rarely says what he fucking thinks of players if it includes any negativity. And when he has, generally it precludes a move of said player. Simple point there. If you are looking for another thread duel though take your nonsense elsewhere.

What the fuck? If you dont like people disagreeing with your opinion, then dont post it
You want a coach who talks shit about players to the media? Not me

 

[wolfdogg]

You should apply for Snead's job. We will give a good reference.

I am very happy with snead. The rams are lucky to have him and I doubt they would have accomplished what they have the past 5 years without him. Could I do a better job? Probably. haha, I kid the snead. He's made alot of tough choices with the vast majority proving to be right. Maybe that's why it seems like he gets picked on when he lays a stinker. Isaiah pead comes to mind, unfortunately. I mean, the guy had 100 career rushing yards but it was evident during his 2nd season that snead screwed the pooch while bobby wagner made the all rookie team and was the 60th best rated overall player in his 2nd season per pff. The wagner debacle may have had something to do with snead moving up to get tavon at the eighth pick the following year, which I think we can agree was another stinker.

 

[PARAM]

I just don't see it happening just like I didn't get why we passed up on a center to get him, especially since that center is now the highest rated center in the league. Was I wrong?

Yes, you were wrong just like dozens of other fans who believed the Rams needed a center. And where's the proof? We won the freakin Superbowl without him!!! But like a Dogg with a bone you won't let go. "Especially since he is now the highest rated center"? So what? That means we can look at every pick who comes in and plays well and say, see we should have picked him instead of that guy. Wow, a second guessers paradise!! Lotsa smart guys there, eh?

And you believe these guys used hope over their eyeballs? The team with one of the best scouting staffs in the business?

 

[wolfdogg]

Yes, you were wrong just like dozens of other fans who believed the Rams needed a center. And where's the proof? We won the freakin Superbowl without him!!! But like a Dogg with a bone you won't let go. "Especially since he is now the highest rated center"? So what? That means we can look at every pick who comes in and plays well and say, see we should have picked him instead of that guy. Wow, a second guessers paradise!! Lotsa smart guys there, eh?

it's not a second guess as me and others here were saying, at the time, that the rams should draft humphrey over tutu. That is a first guess. So, according to your logic it's better to be paying 8 mill a year for a top 10 -12 center instead of less than one mil for top 1-2 center because we won the superbowl? Even my dog is turning his head when I read that to him. That 8 mil is likely costing us a critical FA signing

 

[PARAM]

What the fuck? If you dont like people disagreeing with your opinion, then dont post it

Well there are some who believe their opinion is fact. And therefore facts can't be disputed. Amazing.

 

[dieterbrock]

Well if the Rams see Robinson as a replacement for OBJ, I'd like to see what Jamison Crowder is looking for $$ wise. He's been a productive guy despite playing with some terrible QB's.

 

[PARAM]

it's not a second guess as me and others here were saying, at the time, that the rams should draft humphrey over tutu. That is a first guess. So, according to your logic it's better to be paying 8 mill a year for a top 10 -12 center instead of less than one mil for top 1-2 center because we won the superbowl? Even my dog is turning his head when I read that to him. That 8 mil is likely costing us a critical FA signing

No. It is second guessing. They didn't believe they needed a center and YOU and other fans believed they did. It's irrelevant who they chose instead. You would have complained if they took a CB or RB. Because Humphrey was "the obvious pick". Before the Rams made their selection I didn't hear anybody say, "don't pick Tutu here". It was "Humphrey is the choice here".

Here's a thought.....look up Humphrey's cap hit for 2022 and look up Brian Allen's. Humphrey's cap hit is 1.264 mil, Allen's is 1.8 mil. OMG!!!! Rams are defending SB champs with Brian Allen at center. Chiefs are Division Champs with Humphrey at center. Let me know when the Chiefs win the SB because they have Creed Humphrey at center.

Face it. These guys are actually smarter than you.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Yes, you were wrong just like dozens of other fans who believed the Rams needed a center. And where's the proof? We won the freakin Superbowl without him!!! But like a Dogg with a bone you won't let go. "Especially since he is now the highest rated center"? So what? That means we can look at every pick who comes in and plays well and say, see we should have picked him instead of that guy. Wow, a second guessers paradise!! Lotsa smart guys there, eh?

And you believe these guys used hope over their eyeballs? The team with one of the best scouting staffs in the business?

Center was a need. The unproven Brian Allen and Coleman Shelton were both in their final contract years. As we’ve seen many times before the Rams like to allow players to sign elsewhere and take the compensation picks instead.

They frequently draft a players replacement a year or two in advance. Fortunately, and very telling, Brian Allen did not have a huge market with teams making big offers. Otherwise the Rams would be back at square one.

 

[PARAM]

Center was a need.

In fan's eyes, yes. The Rams braintrust said, "We believe we have our C in house" and they were right, weren't they? It's a simple concept. Fans see the roster, the draft prospects and play junior GM saying what the needs are and who the Rams should pick. But rarely are they accurate. And yet the Rams, under this regime are 56-29 in the regular season with 3 division titles, 7-3 in the postseason with 2 Superbowls and 1 Lombardi. John Madden's NFL was all about the big uglies but the NFL is changing. You need a QB and good weapons to win and the Rams proved you don't need an All Star OL to do it. My god, how many years will these fans be complaining the Rams fooked up royally by passing on that HOFer Creed Humphrey?

 

[blackbart]

Calling a 2nd round pick a bust after 1 year where they didn’t even play because got hurt seems pretty stupid to me. The Rams getting rid of Woods means Tutu and Van will get more opportunities this year.

Thinking a player weighing 160lbs is a legitimate option in the NFL isn’t very smart. Even in college one hand was bringing him down, he isn’t that much faster than players at this level. Injuries are going to be the norm and he was already showing signs of ducking hits last year.

 

[blackbart]

FWIW Allen is not getting paid $8m per year and has a cap hit of less than 2 this year.

 

[wolfdogg]

No. It is second guessing. They didn't believe they needed a center and YOU and other fans believed they did. It's irrelevant who they chose instead. You would have complained if they took a CB or RB. Because Humphrey was "the obvious pick". Before the Rams made their selection I didn't hear anybody say, "don't pick Tutu here". It was "Humphrey is the choice here".

Here's a thought.....look up Humphrey's cap hit for 2022 and look up Brian Allen's. Humphrey's cap hit is 1.264 mil, Allen's is 1.8 mil. OMG!!!! Rams are defending SB champs with Brian Allen at center. Chiefs are Division Champs with Humphrey at center. Let me know when the Chiefs win the SB because they have Creed Humphrey at center.

Face it. These guys are actually smarter than you.

You didn't hear anyone saying don't pick tutu because no one thought it was a possibility. And yes a rb would have been a bad pick at the time with Akers looking to go off in his sophomore year and hendo as backup.

I did look up Brian's contract and you're right, I did not know he only counts for 1.8 mil against the cap. Good work Snead and Co.

I also did not know that his 6.6 mil as a signing bonus couldn't be used as a signing bonus for a FA now. Oh wait, I think it kinda can. For instance, couldn't they use that for Gilmore, making his cap hit 6.6 mil less and subsequently easier to sign at around 8 mil?

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

Salary dump. He was getting paid way more than it would have been worth to keep him around.

True that. Plus as has been stated numerous times T. Austin was NOT an NFL caliber wide receiver. He was at best s scat back utility guy.
And yet he was not worth the money he was being paid.
So it was good bye from a coach who knows what an NFL quality receiver looks like.

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

In fan's eyes, yes. The Rams braintrust said, "We believe we have our C in house" and they were right, weren't they? It's a simple concept. Fans see the roster, the draft prospects and play junior GM saying what the needs are and who the Rams should pick. But rarely are they accurate. And yet the Rams, under this regime are 56-29 in the regular season with 3 division titles, 7-3 in the postseason with 2 Superbowls and 1 Lombardi. John Madden's NFL was all about the big uglies but the NFL is changing. You need a QB and good weapons to win and the Rams proved you don't need an All Star OL to do it. My god, how many years will these fans be complaining the Rams fooked up royally by passing on that HOFer Creed Humphrey?

Well you can have Atwell and I’ll take Humphrey. See where we end up at the end of their careers. Snead has proven in the past that he is as fallible as any other GM. I credit McVay with most of their success. Plus trading for proven talent is a given.

If Atwell had performed admirably and showed glimpses of being a good edition then I’d say the complaining is unfounded. But Allen isn’t that great and Atwell was worse. One could argue that Humphrey is worth Allen, TuTu and a few other players on the Rams.

Fans will complain. Especially when it’s an obvious gaffe like Isiah Pead and Rok Watkins instead of Bobby Wagner. Fans still complain about London Fletcher being let go. Or how Kurt was treated. I don’t think you’ll ever stop it.