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OldSchool

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But where oh where are they getting this money from?! They'll be in cap hell, mark my words!!!
The cap is fake!
How can they keep getting away with this!
LA has fake money!

Just read reddit and twitter whenever we sign somebody :D
 

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Players under contacting holding out for a new, better contract. Come on...

Don't like it at all. Owners need to clamp down on this sort of behaviour. Players should have to sit if they don't want to play under the deal they signed. If they are then cut for not playing under their deal, they should be inegligible to re-sign elsewhere until they would have otherwise became free agents.

Like in any industry, the absolute rain makers have the leverage to get special treatment (AD99, Mahomes, etc). But AJ Brown? Deebo? Get out of here...

I fully support players going after every cent they can. Why should pro athletes bargain less aggressively than in other industries? Especially considering the short length of their careers and how they put their bodies on the line, risking life altering injury. But when you sign a contact via the competitive negotiation process, you should have to honour it - or, alternatively, don't get paid. Salaries increasing with inflation is beyond foreseeable at the time of contract negotiations. You cannot tell me the parties did not contemplate it. Inform you negotiation strategy accordingly. I am sure the very reason some of these monster deals are getting signed is because the owners are thinking "well, in X years, it won't be as bad a deal anymore". Jokes on them, I guess, if players can just demand a new contact whenever they see fit...
But it is okay for the owner not to pay out the totality of the contract? Just cut the player cause he isn't living up to the contract? In Browns case he is out performing his contract. If the owner can cut him for not playing up to the contract then the player can do the same.
 

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If the owner can cut him for not playing up to the contract then the player can do the same.
This is why the only money that counts in a contract is the guaranteed money.

And the player agreed with that when he signed.
 

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But it is okay for the owner not to pay out the totality of the contract? Just cut the player cause he isn't living up to the contract? In Browns case he is out performing his contract. If the owner can cut him for not playing up to the contract then the player can do the same.
Yes, because those are the terms of the contract, that the player explicitly turned his mind to during negotiations (or ought to have turned his mind to; he likely has professional representation for crying out loud.... and if he does not, made the choice to negotiation all on his own) and agreed to upon sighing. Hence why guaranteed money is such a crucial term.
 

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Probably nothing, other than bad optics. Unless his feelings were hurt during the off-season of rumors the Titans were looking at some of the Vets that were on the market, Rodgers, etc.

Ryan Tannehill not present for start of Titans’ voluntary offseason work​

Receiver A.J. Brown did not show up for the start of the team’s offseason work. That is not surprising given he wants a contract extension.

But word — via Buck Reising of AtoZsports.com — that quarterback Ryan Tannehill also wasn’t present Monday came as something of a surprise.

While the workouts are voluntary and focus on conditioning and strength training initially, Tannehill faces a crucial season going into his fourth season in Tennessee. The quarterback has gotten the Titans to the playoffs each of the previous three seasons, but a trip to the AFC Championship Game in 2019 was followed by one-and-done home losses each of the past two postseasons.

Tannehill threw three ugly interceptions in the divisional round loss to the Bengals.

He has a $29 million base salary this season and a $38.6 million cap hit but has no guaranteed money left on his deal after 2022.

“Until he gets here, I’m just going to let him enjoy his time with family while I get in shape, get to know my teammates and the system in place here,” new tight end Austin Hooper, via Turron Davenport of ESPN.

Tannehill hasn’t talked to reporters since the 19-16 divisional loss to Cincinnati in January, so it is unclear why he wasn’t on hand Monday or when he might show up. Kevin Byard allowed that coach Mike Vrabel wasn’t around Monday either but is expected to return Tuesday to lead a team meeting.
 

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Probably nothing, other than bad optics. Unless his feelings were hurt during the off-season of rumors the Titans were looking at some of the Vets that were on the market, Rodgers, etc.

Ryan Tannehill not present for start of Titans’ voluntary offseason work​

Receiver A.J. Brown did not show up for the start of the team’s offseason work. That is not surprising given he wants a contract extension.

But word — via Buck Reising of AtoZsports.com — that quarterback Ryan Tannehill also wasn’t present Monday came as something of a surprise.

While the workouts are voluntary and focus on conditioning and strength training initially, Tannehill faces a crucial season going into his fourth season in Tennessee. The quarterback has gotten the Titans to the playoffs each of the previous three seasons, but a trip to the AFC Championship Game in 2019 was followed by one-and-done home losses each of the past two postseasons.

Tannehill threw three ugly interceptions in the divisional round loss to the Bengals.

He has a $29 million base salary this season and a $38.6 million cap hit but has no guaranteed money left on his deal after 2022.

“Until he gets here, I’m just going to let him enjoy his time with family while I get in shape, get to know my teammates and the system in place here,” new tight end Austin Hooper, via Turron Davenport of ESPN.

Tannehill hasn’t talked to reporters since the 19-16 divisional loss to Cincinnati in January, so it is unclear why he wasn’t on hand Monday or when he might show up. Kevin Byard allowed that coach Mike Vrabel wasn’t around Monday either but is expected to return Tuesday to lead a team meeting.

Tannehill has a new receiver to acquaint himself with. He should be there imo.

And am I the only person who originally read the web site as AutozoneSports.com?
 

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When could Rams resume free agent spending?

Could LA make a move for Jerry Hughes or Tyrann Mathieu?
By JB Scott Apr 18, 2022
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After making splash free agent signings in receiver Allen Robinson and linebacker Bobby Wagner, the Los Angeles Rams have put the spending spree on hold - at least for now.

An important aspect of LA’s team building approach under general manager Les Snead and head coach Sean McVay has been the manipulation of the compensatory selection formula in order to maximize the value of players they lose to free agency. The Rams are careful to not sign free agents with expiring deals from other teams, with very few exceptions - including Robinson this cycle.

After losing pass rusher Von Miller, corner Darious Williams, defensive tackle Sebastian Joseph-Day, and guard Austin Corbett to larger free agent deals, the Rams are once again expecting a sizeable haul in the form of compensatory draft selections. Robinson will offset the return to a certain extent, but overall LA will likely net bonus draft choices in the fourth and fifth rounds for 2023.

Wagner was released by the Seattle Seahawks, so he does not count against the compensatory formula in 2022. Los Angeles has used this approach in the past in order to avoid losing potential comp picks, and Wagner joins a list that includes Leonard Floyd and punter Riley Dixon over the last couple of offseasons.


View: https://twitter.com/RamsNFL/status/1511505560654397444?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1511505560654397444%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turfshowtimes.com%2F2022%2F4%2F18%2F23030259%2Frams-free-agency-rumors-comp-formula

There is a deadline for unrestricted free agents on expiring deals to count against the compensatory draft formula, and this historically has been the Monday following the NFL Draft at 1pm PT. This means that as of the afternoon on May 2nd the Rams can start signing unrestricted free agents without mitigating their return capital in terms of future compensatory draft picks.

View: https://twitter.com/nickkorte/status/1514641058440704001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1514641058440704001%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turfshowtimes.com%2F2022%2F4%2F18%2F23030259%2Frams-free-agency-rumors-comp-formula

Knowing the importance of compensatory draft selections to LA’s team building approach, it is entirely possible that the Rams are waiting for this important league milestone to pass before they make a move towards the remaining free agent pool.

This could be a risky move - as it gives the other NFL teams three weeks to sign the best of the remaining veteran talent on the market; however, given their limited draft capital in 2023, the Rams are somewhat forced into being patient.

Could the Rams make a push to sign reinforcements at EDGE defender after May 2nd? Jerry Hughes could be a solid rotational pass rusher and provide veteran guidance to a young trio of Justin Hollins, Terrell Lewis, and Chris Garrett.

Should Los Angeles consider adding a veteran piece to the secondary, such as Tryann Mathieu from the Kansas City Chiefs? The Rams have not invested heavily in the secondary outside of star cornerback Jalen Ramsey, so it’s unlikely the team would be willing to pay the market rate for Mathieu. Is the lure of helping LA “run it back” enough to add the veteran to an already star-studded roster?

Who would you like to see the Rams sign after May 2nd, or is there anyone currently on the open market that is worth signing in lieu of future compensatory draft picks? Let us know in the comments below.

View: https://twitter.com/nflrums/status/1515885549571264514?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1515885549571264514%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turfshowtimes.com%2F2022%2F4%2F18%2F23030259%2Frams-free-agency-rumors-comp-formula
 

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When could Rams resume free agent spending?

Could LA make a move for Jerry Hughes or Tyrann Mathieu?
By JB Scott Apr 18, 2022
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After making splash free agent signings in receiver Allen Robinson and linebacker Bobby Wagner, the Los Angeles Rams have put the spending spree on hold - at least for now.

An important aspect of LA’s team building approach under general manager Les Snead and head coach Sean McVay has been the manipulation of the compensatory selection formula in order to maximize the value of players they lose to free agency. The Rams are careful to not sign free agents with expiring deals from other teams, with very few exceptions - including Robinson this cycle.

After losing pass rusher Von Miller, corner Darious Williams, defensive tackle Sebastian Joseph-Day, and guard Austin Corbett to larger free agent deals, the Rams are once again expecting a sizeable haul in the form of compensatory draft selections. Robinson will offset the return to a certain extent, but overall LA will likely net bonus draft choices in the fourth and fifth rounds for 2023.

Wagner was released by the Seattle Seahawks, so he does not count against the compensatory formula in 2022. Los Angeles has used this approach in the past in order to avoid losing potential comp picks, and Wagner joins a list that includes Leonard Floyd and punter Riley Dixon over the last couple of offseasons.


View: https://twitter.com/RamsNFL/status/1511505560654397444?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1511505560654397444%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turfshowtimes.com%2F2022%2F4%2F18%2F23030259%2Frams-free-agency-rumors-comp-formula

There is a deadline for unrestricted free agents on expiring deals to count against the compensatory draft formula, and this historically has been the Monday following the NFL Draft at 1pm PT. This means that as of the afternoon on May 2nd the Rams can start signing unrestricted free agents without mitigating their return capital in terms of future compensatory draft picks.

View: https://twitter.com/nickkorte/status/1514641058440704001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1514641058440704001%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turfshowtimes.com%2F2022%2F4%2F18%2F23030259%2Frams-free-agency-rumors-comp-formula

Knowing the importance of compensatory draft selections to LA’s team building approach, it is entirely possible that the Rams are waiting for this important league milestone to pass before they make a move towards the remaining free agent pool.

This could be a risky move - as it gives the other NFL teams three weeks to sign the best of the remaining veteran talent on the market; however, given their limited draft capital in 2023, the Rams are somewhat forced into being patient.

Could the Rams make a push to sign reinforcements at EDGE defender after May 2nd? Jerry Hughes could be a solid rotational pass rusher and provide veteran guidance to a young trio of Justin Hollins, Terrell Lewis, and Chris Garrett.

Should Los Angeles consider adding a veteran piece to the secondary, such as Tryann Mathieu from the Kansas City Chiefs? The Rams have not invested heavily in the secondary outside of star cornerback Jalen Ramsey, so it’s unlikely the team would be willing to pay the market rate for Mathieu. Is the lure of helping LA “run it back” enough to add the veteran to an already star-studded roster?

Who would you like to see the Rams sign after May 2nd, or is there anyone currently on the open market that is worth signing in lieu of future compensatory draft picks? Let us know in the comments below.

View: https://twitter.com/nflrums/status/1515885549571264514?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1515885549571264514%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turfshowtimes.com%2F2022%2F4%2F18%2F23030259%2Frams-free-agency-rumors-comp-formula

I wonder if OBJ continues to look for other more lucrative offers, will Snead go after Jarvis Landry.

Landry could play the Robert Woods role.
 

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What does the 2023 draft look like for the Rams? They don't have a first, of course but what do they have remaining?

Nevermind. Found it. A 2nd, 3rd, 5th, three 6ths and two 7ths. That doesn't seem "limited". At least not the way the Rams work. Plus they may get 3 more comp picks, two at least. 10 - 11 picks?
 
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What does the 2023 draft look like for the Rams? They don't have a first, of course but what do they have remaining?

Nevermind. Found it. A 2nd, 3rd, 5th, three 6ths and two 7ths. That doesn't seem "limited". At least not the way the Rams work. Plus they may get 3 more comp picks, two at least. 10 - 11 picks?
Agree!

If McVay's Rams continue to go deep into the playoffs playing against HC's who use to work for him.....you could see an additional uptick in some possible early 2023 season new coach changes with future projections i.e. DC Morris to HC Morris could put the Rams in line for two 3rd rd awards in 2023 & 2024.

That would also include another same tally if current Assistant Head Coach Thomas Brown drops the "Assistant" becomes a Head Coach Brown.
 
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What does the 2023 draft look like for the Rams? They don't have a first, of course but what do they have remaining?

Nevermind. Found it. A 2nd, 3rd, 5th, three 6ths and two 7ths. That doesn't seem "limited". At least not the way the Rams work. Plus they may get 3 more comp picks, two at least. 10 - 11 picks?
We know and have known for a while the comp picks those are done before trades we have 8 picks this coming draft. Two to three more comp picks could be next year not this year.
 

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Yeah, it looks like we'll have pretty good draft capital in 2023. Obviously they don't use first round picks to take college players. Trade them for established talent and avoid paying good money for "maybe".
 

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Probably nothing, other than bad optics. Unless his feelings were hurt during the off-season of rumors the Titans were looking at some of the Vets that were on the market, Rodgers, etc.

Ryan Tannehill not present for start of Titans’ voluntary offseason work​

Receiver A.J. Brown did not show up for the start of the team’s offseason work. That is not surprising given he wants a contract extension.

But word — via Buck Reising of AtoZsports.com — that quarterback Ryan Tannehill also wasn’t present Monday came as something of a surprise.

While the workouts are voluntary and focus on conditioning and strength training initially, Tannehill faces a crucial season going into his fourth season in Tennessee. The quarterback has gotten the Titans to the playoffs each of the previous three seasons, but a trip to the AFC Championship Game in 2019 was followed by one-and-done home losses each of the past two postseasons.

Tannehill threw three ugly interceptions in the divisional round loss to the Bengals.

He has a $29 million base salary this season and a $38.6 million cap hit but has no guaranteed money left on his deal after 2022.

“Until he gets here, I’m just going to let him enjoy his time with family while I get in shape, get to know my teammates and the system in place here,” new tight end Austin Hooper, via Turron Davenport of ESPN.

Tannehill hasn’t talked to reporters since the 19-16 divisional loss to Cincinnati in January, so it is unclear why he wasn’t on hand Monday or when he might show up. Kevin Byard allowed that coach Mike Vrabel wasn’t around Monday either but is expected to return Tuesday to lead a team meeting.
He wasn't present for their playoff game either
 

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It leaked following Gilmore's deal that the Rams required him to wait so yeah I think they have Mathieu waiting to sign. That fits the way he made a twitter post and then deleted it too.

So I don't think they are done in the FA window just yet.