2022 NFL Salary Cap

  • To unlock all of features of Rams On Demand please take a brief moment to register. Registering is not only quick and easy, it also allows you access to additional features such as live chat, private messaging, and a host of other apps exclusive to Rams On Demand.

OldSchool

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Messages
43,225

View: https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1470879040903036931



With that figure they've been planning on, which can always be adjusted, and the 2021 remaining cap rolling over we're slated to have about $4.4 million in cap space. That's with people like Whitworth who's future is uncertain. Fortunately the dead money that plagued us this year is all gone. Matt Stafford can always be extended and his roster bonus of $10 million can be manipulated in the usual ways. There don't look like any guys that can be moved/waived for big savings but a lot of guys that can be moved for about am illion in savings. Should be an interesting off season again. Lots of draft picks just none high in the draft and limited cap space. They've expressed a desire to bring back Miller and OBJ but we have a decent list of free agents as well.


What do you all think?
 

Merlin

Damn the torpedoes
Rams On Demand Sponsor
ROD Credit | 2023 TOP Member
Joined
May 8, 2014
Messages
42,285
"Hey Sean and Les which FA players do you want? Ok hold my coffee."
~ Demoff
 

Pupped

Legend
Joined
Aug 5, 2021
Messages
9,052
Name
Pupped
I don't know enough about how small they could make Stafford's footprint on next year's cap if they completely redo his deal.

You guys?
 

Merlin

Damn the torpedoes
Rams On Demand Sponsor
ROD Credit | 2023 TOP Member
Joined
May 8, 2014
Messages
42,285
Btw I expect Miller will leave in FA. I think his presence is going to be big for us but I don't want them to pay him his retirement check. Odell's a different matter, you make room for that dude.
 

OldSchool

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Messages
43,225
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #7
Only 4.4 million in cap space? Don’t we have like 40 million in dead money coming off?
Yes but we also have a lot of people on their rookie contracts having salaries go up. We have guys like Ramsey, Donald, Stafford, Kupp and Woods all taking cap hit increases next year. Hell Floyd's increase alone is $15 million on the cap.
 

Pupped

Legend
Joined
Aug 5, 2021
Messages
9,052
Name
Pupped
There are a ton of ways to open up money for next year's cap.

The question will be how much the Rams want to do.. because if they accelerate bonus money, they have to pay that cash right away, I believe. They can spread the hit out over years, but the money is due.
 

oldnotdead

Legend
Joined
May 16, 2019
Messages
5,406
Whitworth simply won't have a choice about next year. There was a reason he said he was going to retire. He carries a cap hit of over $14M. The Rams can gain $13M in cap space by releasing him. That was clear when he signed the contract.

Robinson is now a part time player with a cap hit of $9.5M. They can clear $4M by releasing or trading him. He might have value as trade bait. He can still play, but Gaines is the clear starter at NT.

Havenstein will have a cap hit of $9.6M next year. They can gain around $5M in cap by trading or releasing him.

That is $22M they can gain just in those 3 players. That's enough to sign their key FAs next year.
 

OldSchool

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Messages
43,225
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #11
There are a ton of ways to open up money for next year's cap.

The question will be how much the Rams want to do.. because if they accelerate bonus money, they have to pay that cash right away, I believe. They can spread the hit out over years, but the money is due.
No bonus money is paid out on a set schedule in the contract. Signing bonus is paid at signing and prorated over a set number of years. Performance and other bonuses like roster are paid when earned and also dictated on when they're paid. Roster bonuses are one of hte most common manipulations and those are converted to signing bonuses and prorated over a few years. Some base pay can be turned into a bonus to do the same thing.
 

OldSchool

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Messages
43,225
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #12
Whitworth simply won't have a choice about next year. There was a reason he said he was going to retire. He carries a cap hit of over $14M. The Rams can gain $13M in cap space by releasing him. That was clear when he signed the contract.

Robinson is now a part time player with a cap hit of $9.5M. They can clear $4M by releasing or trading him. He might have value as trade bait. He can still play, but Gaines is the clear starter at NT.

Havenstein will have a cap hit of $9.6M next year. They can gain around $5M in cap by trading or releasing him.

That is $22M they can gain just in those 3 players. That's enough to sign their key FAs next year.
The Rams are not going to kick him to the curb by releasing him. And stop with the cut Hav already we've heard it enough and he's one of our better OL this year and we have nobody to replace both him and Whit without spending as much if not more money. Quit beating the horse it's dead already.
 

Pupped

Legend
Joined
Aug 5, 2021
Messages
9,052
Name
Pupped
Whitworth simply won't have a choice about next year. There was a reason he said he was going to retire. He carries a cap hit of over $14M. The Rams can gain $13M in cap space by releasing him. That was clear when he signed the contract.

Robinson is now a part time player with a cap hit of $9.5M. They can clear $4M by releasing or trading him. He might have value as trade bait. He can still play, but Gaines is the clear starter at NT.

Havenstein will have a cap hit of $9.6M next year. They can gain around $5M in cap by trading or releasing him.

That is $22M they can gain just in those 3 players. That's enough to sign their key FAs next year.
Um.. Whitworth could always renegotiate. And.. with the way he's playing, why would they say no?

I'm not sure the answer on Robinson.. but you don't let him AND SJD go in the same season. Gaines certainly replaces SJD.. but not both and I wouldn't count on BB3 for that kind of role just yet.

Havenstein would be a great value at his current price and you'd be cutting your nose of with that move.

There are multiple salary/bonus conversions they can do to open up cap.
 

Pupped

Legend
Joined
Aug 5, 2021
Messages
9,052
Name
Pupped
No bonus money is paid out on a set schedule in the contract. Signing bonus is paid at signing and prorated over a set number of years. Performance and other bonuses like roster are paid when earned and also dictated on when they're paid. Roster bonuses are one of hte most common manipulations and those are converted to signing bonuses and prorated over a few years. Some base pay can be turned into a bonus to do the same thing.
That's not my understanding on the conversions.
I understand you can do the conversion to open up space and spread out the hit.. but the actual money is due up front.
 

Pupped

Legend
Joined
Aug 5, 2021
Messages
9,052
Name
Pupped
Here's more on signing bonus structure...
I believe the conversion makes the money signing bonus cash.

A signing bonus, true to its name, is an upfront guaranteed payment the player receives when they sign their contract. Unlike normal guaranteed money, a player gets the signing bonus money usually within the first year after signing the contract, and the signing bonus is fully guaranteed. While the player gets the lump sum up front, the team can spread the signing bonus on their cap space into smaller payments over the length of the contract up to a maximum of five years. The spread out payment of this signing bonus is called the prorated bonus. When a player is cut, the team must pay the remainder of the spread-out signing bonus at once, and this payment is applied to the team's cap space.
 

OldSchool

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Messages
43,225
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #16
That's not my understanding on the conversions.
I understand you can do the conversion to open up space and spread out the hit.. but the actual money is due up front.
Signing bonus yes as I said. Roster bonuses and performance based bonuses are due when they're earned.
 

OldSchool

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Messages
43,225
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #17
Here's more on signing bonus structure...
I believe the conversion makes the money signing bonus cash.

A signing bonus, true to its name, is an upfront guaranteed payment the player receives when they sign their contract. Unlike normal guaranteed money, a player gets the signing bonus money usually within the first year after signing the contract, and the signing bonus is fully guaranteed. While the player gets the lump sum up front, the team can spread the signing bonus on their cap space into smaller payments over the length of the contract up to a maximum of five years. The spread out payment of this signing bonus is called the prorated bonus. When a player is cut, the team must pay the remainder of the spread-out signing bonus at once, and this payment is applied to the team's cap space.
Yes you just agreed with me and called me wrong :)
 

Pupped

Legend
Joined
Aug 5, 2021
Messages
9,052
Name
Pupped
Signing bonus yes as I said. Roster bonuses and performance based bonuses are due when they're earned.
Yes, understood.
Those bonuses would not be part of a "conversion" bonus.
Found an explainer..
"As such, the most common form of contract restructuring involves converting a portion of a player’s base salary for a given year into a new signing bonus. That bonus can then be spread out over several years, moving it away from the current season."
 

PhillyRam

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Jun 1, 2013
Messages
8,125
Name
Scott
Um.. Whitworth could always renegotiate. And.. with the way he's playing, why would they say no?

I'm not sure the answer on Robinson.. but you don't let him AND SJD go in the same season. Gaines certainly replaces SJD.. but not both and I wouldn't count on BB3 for that kind of role just yet.

Havenstein would be a great value at his current price and you'd be cutting your nose of with that move.

There are multiple salary/bonus conversions they can do to open up cap.
You sign a much cheaper option than Robinson. He is not worth $7-8M.

As for Whitworth, if he stays Noteboom leaves and as much as I admire Whit, I would rather have Noteboom for the next 4-5 yrs vs Whit for one and then scrambling for a replacement. Especially considering we don't gave high picks to find a long-term replacement that could play soon.

And consider also you can't let your 33 plus yr old QB to get hit a lot over the next few yrs. Plus, whose to say Noteboom can't become a fixture at LT for the next 10 yrs?

And releasing Whit does save you $13M that will help you sign OBJ or Miller, or a number of young players like Allen, Noteboom, or Corbett.
 

OldSchool

Rams On Demand Sponsor
Rams On Demand Sponsor
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Messages
43,225
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #20
Yes, understood.
Those bonuses would not be part of a "conversion" bonus.
Found an explainer..
"As such, the most common form of contract restructuring involves converting a portion of a player’s base salary for a given year into a new signing bonus. That bonus can then be spread out over several years, moving it away from the current season."
Again you're saying the same thing I am but saying I'm wrong, I said exactly that.