2022 NFL Salary Cap

[Poppinfresh]

I mean, they've managed to add pieces while being right up against the cap without issue to this point, but at some point not having 6 year rookie contracts is going to blow up on the team's face. Seems pretty obvious that, one way or another, we're making a painful goodbye this offseason.

Also, thumbs down to giving Miller a contract. I wasn't even really sure why they traded for him, as he's on that downward slide.

 

[Kupped]

You sign a much cheaper option than Robinson. He is not worth $7-8M.

As for Whitworth, if he stays Noteboom leaves and as much as I admire Whit, I would rather have Noteboom for the next 4-5 yrs vs Whit for one and then scrambling for a replacement. Especially considering we don't gave high picks to find a long-term replacement that could play soon.

And consider also you can't let your 33 plus yr old QB to get hit a lot over the next few yrs. Plus, whose to say Noteboom can't become a fixture at LT for the next 10 yrs?

And releasing Whit does save you $13M that will help you sign OBJ or Miller, or a number of young players like Allen, Noteboom, or Corbett.

If you're signing a replacement for Robinson.. how much less are you paying than the difference here? And what are you expecting out of that?

And, as for quality of play? He's absolutely worth it. He's one of the reasons the Rams run D is so badass.

I have no idea if I'm sure I'd want Boom for the next 4-5 and wonder what kind of deal he gets. I like him, but I just don't know. Also, the cap will go up again in 23 and there may be good options available.

Agreed on the fact that releasing Whit will open up money.. but you're going to pay at least 10 of that to keep Boom, I think.

 

[Kupped]

Again you're saying the same thing I am but saying I'm wrong, I said exactly that.

No, I'm not, if you go back and look.
I was referring to "conversions." The Rams and any other NFL team can convert salary into signing bonus. They prorate that money over the contract.. but the cash is due when you make the conversion, because it's then considered "signing bonus".

You said... "no" when I first stated that.

 

[OldSchool]

No, I'm not, if you go back and look.
I was referring to "conversions." The Rams and any other NFL team can convert salary into signing bonus. They prorate that money over the contract.. but the cash is due when you make the conversion, because it's then considered "signing bonus".

You said... "no" when I first stated that.

I said that exact damned thing hahahahaha

Signing bonuses are paid when they're signed. Yes? Huh look at that. A bonus called a signing bonus is paid at signing and prorated over a number of years. It's almost like you're arguing just to argue at this point. If you convert a roster bonus to a signing bonus it's paid out when you do that because it becomes what? Oh it becomes a signing bonus which is due at signing!

No bonus money is paid out on a set schedule in the contract. Signing bonus is paid at signing and prorated over a set number of years. Performance and other bonuses like roster are paid when earned and also dictated on when they're paid. Roster bonuses are one of hte most common manipulations and those are converted to signing bonuses and prorated over a few years. Some base pay can be turned into a bonus to do the same thing.

 

[Kupped]

Again you're saying the same thing I am but saying I'm wrong, I said exactly that.

Sorry, I just didn't understand what you were saying here.
What does..

"No bonus money is paid out on a set schedule in the contract" in context to what I had posted?

Looking at it, I guess I have some sentence clarity issues.

But, yes, actually... if they trade or cut a player.. the *guaranteed* bonus money accelerates and becomes due. That's called dead cap.

There are a ton of ways to open up money for next year's cap.

The question will be how much the Rams want to do.. because if they accelerate bonus money, they have to pay that cash right away, I believe. They can spread the hit out over years, but the money is due.

No bonus money is paid out on a set schedule in the contract. Signing bonus is paid at signing and prorated over a set number of years. Performance and other bonuses like roster are paid when earned and also dictated on when they're paid. Roster bonuses are one of hte most common manipulations and those are converted to signing bonuses and prorated over a few years. Some base pay can be turned into a bonus to do the same thing.

 

[PhillyRam]

If you're signing a replacement for Robinson.. how much less are you paying than the difference here? And what are you expecting out of that?

And, as for quality of play? He's absolutely worth it. He's one of the reasons the Rams run D is so badass.

I have no idea if I'm sure I'd want Boom for the next 4-5 and wonder what kind of deal he gets. I like him, but I just don't know. Also, the cap will go up again in 23 and there may be good options available.

Agreed on the fact that releasing Whit will open up money.. but you're going to pay at least 10 of that to keep Boom, I think.

No way does Boom cost $10M, cap-wise, on yr one of a long-term deal.

 

[PhillyRam]

If you're signing a replacement for Robinson.. how much less are you paying than the difference here? And what are you expecting out of that?

And, as for quality of play? He's absolutely worth it. He's one of the reasons the Rams run D is so badass.

I have no idea if I'm sure I'd want Boom for the next 4-5 and wonder what kind of deal he gets. I like him, but I just don't know. Also, the cap will go up again in 23 and there may be good options available.

Agreed on the fact that releasing Whit will open up money.. but you're going to pay at least 10 of that to keep Boom, I think.

No way does Boom cost $10M, cap-wise, on yr one of long-term deal.

No, I'm not, if you go back and look.
I was referring to "conversions." The Rams and any other NFL team can convert salary into signing bonus. They prorate that money over the contract.. but the cash is due when you make the conversion, because it's then considered "signing bonus".

You said... "no" when I first stated that.

Actually if you look at their cap numbers, there isn't much left to restructure outside of Stafford and a new deal...maybe Ramsey, but not a lot left there. Plus, they only have 40 guys under contract next year so that eats up another $7M or so. Then add in earned bonuses that will get paid out.

So those who want to keep OBJ and a few others, there isn't a lot to go around if Whit doesn't retire or if Robinson isn't moved.

 

[Kupped]

No way does Boom cost $10M, cap-wise, on yr one of long-term deal.

Actually if you look at their cap numbers, there isn't much left to restructure outside of Stafford and a new deal...maybe Ramsey, but not a lot left there. Plus, they only have 40 guys under contract next year so that eats up another $7M or so. Then add in earned bonuses that will get paid out.

So those who want to keep OBJ and a few others, there isn't a lot to go around if Whit doesn't retire or if Robinson isn't moved.

I could be totally out of whack for Noteboom $$.
But if he's hitting the market in a year where there aren't many options, I wonder what that number becomes.

I was playing with one of the cap sites... can't remember if Spotrac or OTC... seemed to have a good number of salary conversions possible.

 

[PhillyRam]

I could be totally out of whack for Noteboom $$.
But if he's hitting the market in a year where there aren't many options, I wonder what that number becomes.

I was playing with one of the cap sites... can't remember if Spotrac or OTC... seemed to have a good number of salary conversions possible.

He could get $10M a yr, but you can back-load the cap hit like they do with a lot of new deals. That's all I am saying and $10M might be pushing it.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Only 4.4 million in cap space? Don’t we have like 40 million in dead money coming off?

Unfortunately, that $4.4M reflects the 2021 dead-$ coming-off the books in 2022.

As OldSchool explained above, the re-structures of players like Kupp and Woods earlier this season created significant cap-relief in 2021 but those re-structures just push money forward. For example, Kupp and Woods only count around $11M against the Rams' cap this season. Next season, their combined cap-hit is $34M!

I find the Spotrac site to be helpful because it is detailed, and allows the viewer to filter for specific information.

 

[Riverumbbq]

What do you all think?

I believe Stafford's extension will likely cut his 2022 CAP hit to half that of 2021. Extending Havenstein will have the same effect for him in 2022.
Two contracts that offer substantial savings are those belonging to A'Shawn Robinson and fan favorite Robert Woods. Robinson should be offered an extension or traded, he's only 26 years old and showing good signs towards future increased progress, so extend him.
It won't be popular, but the Rams can't afford to maintain both Robert Woods and re-sign OBJ, they are within days of being the same age, and if OBJ is willing to sign a team friendly contract, trading Woods not only offers some good CAP relief, I'd also expect a pretty high draft pick to come our way. With Kupp, OBJ & Van Jefferson at 1, 2 & 3, the Rams also have very solid competitors next year in Jacob Harris, Ben Skowronek and Tutu Atwell, to say nothing of an abundance of practice squad WR's.
Johnny Hekker is likely to become a CAP casualty during the off-season, Whitworth will retire, especially so if he gets a ring, and the Rams will add several $millions$ to their available 2022 CAP.

Lost to next years free agency will be (imo) :

Darious Williams
Sebastian Joseph-Day
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
Buddy Howell

Re-signed free agents :

Joseph Noteboom
Austin Corbett
Brian Allen (offer a 1 year prove-it deal for staying healthy)
Sony Michel (if the price is right)
Von Miller
OBJ
Johnny Mundt (another cheap 1 year contract)
Donte Deayon

Our RFA's & ERFA's will all return to camp.

jmo.

 

[OldSchool]

I believe Stafford's extension will likely cut his 2022 CAP hit to half that of 2021. Extending Havenstein will have the same effect for him in 2022.
Two contracts that offer substantial savings are those belonging to A'Shawn Robinson and fan favorite Robert Woods. Robinson should be offered an extension or traded, he's only 26 years old and showing good signs towards future increased progress, so extend him.
It won't be popular, but the Rams can't afford to maintain both Robert Woods and re-sign OBJ, they are within days of being the same age, and if OBJ is willing to sign a team friendly contract, trading Woods not only offers some good CAP relief, I'd also expect a pretty high draft pick to come our way. With Kupp, OBJ & Van Jefferson at 1, 2 & 3, the Rams also have very solid competitors next year in Jacob Harris, Ben Skowronek and Tutu Atwell, to say nothing of an abundance of practice squad WR's.
Johnny Hekker is likely to become a CAP casualty during the off-season, Whitworth will retire, especially so if he gets a ring, and the Rams will add several $millions$ to their available 2022 CAP.

Lost to next years free agency will be (imo) :

Darious Williams
Sebastian Joseph-Day
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
Buddy Howell

Re-signed free agents :

Joseph Noteboom
Austin Corbett
Brian Allen (offer a 1 year prove-it deal for staying healthy)
Von Miller
OBJ
Johnny Mundt (another cheap 1 year contract)
Donte Deayon

Our RFA's & ERFA's will all return to camp.

jmo.

Makes a lot of sense for sure. A'Shawn is an interesting one actually both(he and Woody) are because they're been restructured/modified recently so there's already a lot of money on the books in future years but they both make sense.

Hekker I think is gone he's one I meant to mention and forgot ty for bringing him up. I think we've seen the decline so moving on and saving a couple million next year makes too much sense. You can replace him and add a couple depth players with what we'd pay him next year.

 

[Riverumbbq]

View: https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1470879040903036931

Do we know if this includes the Amazon Prime $1 bil. price tag for Thursday Night Football, which is supposed to kick in for 2022 ?

 

[OldSchool]

Do we know if this includes the Amazon Prime $1 bil. price tag for Thursday Night Football, which is supposed to kick in for 2022 ?

From what I'm reading yes, this is what was agreed to with the NFLPA back in May. Anything above that I think was supposed to go towards paying back benefits that were suspended for 2020 with the lossed revenue to covid. Something like 15-20 million in benefits were paused last year so the players didn't have too much of a cap drop for 2021. We'll probably see another $30 million increase in 2023 I think they wanted an even climb instead of one huge like 60 million jump.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Unfortunately, that $4.4M reflects the 2021 dead-$ coming-off the books in 2022.

As OldSchool explained above, the re-structures of players like Kupp and Woods earlier this season created significant cap-relief in 2021 but those re-structures just push money forward. For example, Kupp and Woods only count around $11M against the Rams' cap this season. Next season, their combined cap-hit is $34M!

I find the Spotrac site to be helpful because it is detailed, and allows the viewer to filter for specific information.

So the dead money coming off is already spoken for in the restructures.

 

[Allen2McVay]

So the dead money coming off is already spoken for in the restructures.

Kind-of.

The Rams needed to opened-up cap space for 2021, in part, because of their large amount of dead-$.

So they re-structured Donald, Ramsey, Woods and Kupp. As a result, they decreased the 2021 cap hits of the four players but increased their future cap hits. Woods and Kupp (as an example) carry a small cap hit of $11M for 2021 but their 2022 cap hit triples to $34M.

The dead-$ is gone and that's a plus for 2022 but the Rams will have cap issues, in part, because of the restructures.

 

[OldSchool]

So the dead money coming off is already spoken for in the restructures.

Here's some visual reference for what I was talking about. Our top 12 cap hits for 2022 followed by 2021. Everybody says oh lets just restructure this year and next year we'll be fine which yes it helps this year but there are consequences for following years. And yes we can manipulate things again to keep kicking the can down the road (I know how that's a trigger phrase for some so suggest another phrase if you like). Rams will be fine for cap that's not a question. The question is how much again to we push back to make deals. I'd wager a lot we do our best to sign OBJ but that 2022 number of us having like $4.5 million doesn't even include the 8 draft picks and this years guys Garrett and Skow make $660k so at a minimum with it being a bunch of later picks you're looking at close to $5 million just to sign draft picks. Again we'll figure it out but sometimes these things take manipulating.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Here's some visual reference for what I was talking about. Our top 12 cap hits for 2022 followed by 2021. Everybody says oh lets just restructure this year and next year we'll be fine which yes it helps this year but there are consequences for following years. And yes we can manipulate things again to keep kicking the can down the road (I know how that's a trigger phrase for some so suggest another phrase if you like). Rams will be fine for cap that's not a question. The question is how much again to we push back to make deals. I'd wager a lot we do our best to sign OBJ but that 2022 number of us having like $4.5 million doesn't even include the 8 draft picks and this years guys Garrett and Skow make $660k so at a minimum with it being a bunch of later picks you're looking at close to $5 million just to sign draft picks. Again we'll figure it out but sometimes these things take manipulating.
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Agree.

That's Spotrac! Filtered to show the current Rams' position for 2022 (top portion).

Spotrac is not 100% accurate and up-dated but a solid starting point.

There's the $34M for Kupp and Woods. If filtered for 2021, their cap hit is just $11M.

Also shows why Whitworth is unlikely to return. Carries a $14.6M cap hit, with $13M of cap relief.

 

[blackbart]

I’m on the fence with Whitworth, he still seems to be playing at a high level but for how long? Noteboom looks like he is ready for a starting role but he’s never played a full season. I don’t see the Rams cutting Whit but that does create problems with Boom.

It sounded like they wanted to sign a new contract with Miller right away. Since that hasn’t happened, maybe that has changed??? Maybe Miller wants to put better work on tape?

Beckham would seem to be the front runner for new FA signing at this point.

Oline has a lot of change coming if they can’t lock up a couple of people. Not sure how high that is on the priority list based on drafts.

I don’t expect them to suddenly change their win now attitude and am confident we have the right people to make good decisions to make it happen.

 

[FrantikRam]

Miller, Williams, SJD walk.

Re-sign Corbett and Allen.

Re-sign Miller.

This will take a lot of work but I'm confident Snead can do it.

Re-sign Noteboom if Whit retires.

Stafford extended to create some space. A'Shawn possibly cut/traded. Hopkins and Long cut.

No outside FAs.

Draft depth needed:

CB, TE, T, ILB, DL



If we win it all, scrap this and pull a Bucs and re-sign everyone somehow.

But if not, run it back as close as we can. With Akers this offense will be the best in the NFL by a margin IMO. The defense is good enough.