- Joined
- Jan 14, 2013
- Messages
- 29,832
but I thought the whole pylon counted as the end zone.
Keep seeing people saying it wasn't a fumble and I'm not sure what they saw. He clearly started losing the ball before stepping out and the ball hit pylon which is all you need for it to be considered in the end zone. The only way that's not a touchback is if it was indisputable but again it clearly was. Really the only thing to be upset about is Gurley not diving
From my perspective, ball comes out, Gurley steps out, ball bounces off the pylon into Gurley's hand. The ball hit the pylon before Gurley touched it.What I'm wondering is even if Gurley didn't have complete control of the ball, he was touching it after he stepped out of bounds before it hit the pylon. Isn't the ball considered dead when a player who is out of bounds touches it?
i always thought if ball hits pylon its a td, never seen it not be.He fumbled. certainly. But for the purposes of a TD at least, the ball has to go inside of the pylon. Hitting the outer edge does not count as a TD. The pylon is certainly not inside the end zone.
From my perspective, ball comes out, Gurley steps out, ball bounces off the pylon into Gurley's hand. The ball hit the pylon before Gurley touched it.
As far as I know, only touching the inside of the pylon counts as being in the end zone. The other 3 sides should be out of bounds.
How does the ball hitting an item out of bounds, and not beyond the plane count as fumbling out of the end zone?
I get why fumbling out of the end zone is a touchback. I do not get why the edge of the pylon against the field of play counts as in the end zone.
Still dont think refs screwed us. Dont matter. We lost. Could have won many other times and they screwed the pooch. crap happens. Learn from it and move on. Time to focus on Jags.
Good point.What I'm wondering is even if Gurley didn't have complete control of the ball, he was touching it after he stepped out of bounds before it hit the pylon. Isn't the ball considered dead when a player who is out of bounds touches it?
The front of the pylon is the same as the plain of the goal line. Bad break for TG and the Rams.
By a fingertip, you're right.The ball was touching his hand. The only debate would be control. But that's irrelevant (now that I confirmed the rule). That should have been a dead ball at the 1.
Yep, the refs screwed us:
https://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2012/12/23/randall-cobb-takes-advantage-of-bizarre-nfl-rule
The NFL's rule regarding that play is the same as on a fumble: If any part of a player's body is out of bounds when he makes contact with the football, the ball is considered out of bounds as well.
He fumbled. certainly. But for the purposes of a TD at least, the ball has to go inside of the pylon. Hitting the outer edge does not count as a TD. The pylon is certainly not inside the end zone.
Here's the video:
View: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000858488/Thomas-makes-nifty-play-to-turn-would-be-Gurley-TD-into-fumble
Rule is that if Gurley is touching the ball when his foot steps out, the play is dead. It doesn't matter if he has control. He only has to be touching the ball. It should have been a dead ball at the 1. The refs blew the call.
Yea, it doesn't accomplish anything to be ticked now, but I also think it's freaked up that we keep ending up on the wrong end of these missed calls.
By a fingertip, you're right.
I always thought the ball had to cross inside the pylon? Faulk would always do that leap over the goal line through the end zone.