Mcvay on the Tru penalty

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It must be the hockey player in me, but I noticed that they were trash talking earlier. And you know, at least in hockey, goading the other player into a penalty is actually part of the game.

So, good on Jeffery? (I just threw up in my mouth writing that)

But it is what it is, and you know how the money went.

No moral victories here, they had the Eagles on the ropes and they allowed Nick Foles enough opportunity to squeak by with a win.
 

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It must be the hockey player in me, but I noticed that they were trash talking earlier. And you know, at least in hockey, goading the other player into a penalty is actually part of the game.

So, good on Jeffery? (I just threw up in my mouth writing that)

But it is what it is, and you know how the money went.

No moral victories here, they had the Eagles on the ropes and they allowed Nick Foles enough opportunity to squeak by with a win.

They weren't really trash talking, even Jeffery said they were just talking football. Literally the only person who had a problem with it was the ref, because neither Tru or Jeffery thought it was a penalty.

I think that's the worst part. It'd be one thing if Tru just lost his head, it's another thing that the dude got flagged for talking football.

He should just run by the ref next week and say stupid shit like "Puppies are cute!" since apparently anything else is a penalty.
 

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They weren't really trash talking, even Jeffery said they were just talking football. Literally the only person who had a problem with it was the ref, because neither Tru or Jeffery thought it was a penalty.

I think that's the worst part. It'd be one thing if Tru just lost his head, it's another thing that the dude got flagged for talking football.

He should just run by the ref next week and say stupid crap like "Puppies are cute!" since apparently anything else is a penalty.
Watch when Jeffery torches him though, there were definitely niceties exchanged, probably something like, "I love you man" and "You can't touch my Bud Light".

Then Johnson does his ghetto head wobble thing after breaking up that pass and then ... penalty. But I thought it was lame. It was obvious the zebras were just gagging to give them a big penalty like that.
 

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It must be the hockey player in me, but I noticed that they were trash talking earlier. And you know, at least in hockey, goading the other player into a penalty is actually part of the game.

The hockey player in me doesn't say much other than, "STFU and play!" and wait for the right opportunity to steamroll the loudmouth. :sneaky::yess:

Those two minutes in the box are much more satisfying! :yess:
 

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“They said that these guys had been talking, going back and forth and there had been some warnings going on and that was the decision that the side judge made and those are things that we have to respect,” he said after the loss.

I would bet big coin SM doesn't really think that but he isn't going to call out refs for a shit call this early in his career.

Vikings player tackled by the face mask nothing. The refs have really gone down hill the last few years.

Look how an offensive player with the ball can stiffarm a tackler to the head and face and even grab the facemask.

Refs are horrible and its a big reason people are getting worn out on the NFL.

Try was standing over him talking it up. He looked like the aggressor of course he’s going to get called. I understand you want our players to do whatever they want but that’s not the case in reality. That was stupid asf for him to do.

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Jeffery got up and leaned into TJ's helmet. They jawed at each other.

That's not a penalty, there is NO rule against that.

This is a ref deciding he doesn't like that.

Yep, sure is. Enough to ignore the evidence that he and the Rams got absolutely f--ked on that call.

I know they were fucked on that play, no doubt about it..........there was no penalty committed on that play, it was a "judgement call" which is bullshit. Players in every sport talk shit all game long, it's not against the rules. It's not a penalty to do that.

It was a bullshit call, I hope the NFL gets a note from SM about it.
 

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Players in every sport talk crap all game long, it's not against the rules. It's not a penalty to do that.

It's part of the game, the mental game. The fact that the refs are trying to dictate the mental game to me is bullshit.

When it gets to pushing the refs need to stop it and clamp it down. When it gets to fighting the refs have failed. There's a fine line and the refs are being paid a lot of money to apparently not understand how it works.

I mean seriously, in the NHL you have players literally saying "I'm gonna fuck your wife" to get into the other teams head. You don't get a penalty until it's roughing and there's physical contact being made. Fighting major when the gloves come off.

 

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Jeffery got up and leaned into TJ's helmet. They jawed at each other.

That's not a penalty, there is NO rule against that.

This is a ref deciding he doesn't like that.
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And what was TJ doing? In his grill giving it to him.
IMO it should have been a non call but due to previous warnings the called it to try and discontinue the interactions or prevent another Aj Green and Jalen Ramsey situation, or Crabtree and Talib.

At the worst it should have been a double penalty if you didn't call at all.

Tru is a Pro. No excuse for chancing or risking that for pride. You get paid 16 mill plus to do your job and you cost your team a pivotal game for getting in their face and saying I stopped you?
But you have to know how those POS zebras are calling shit and smart enough not to chance anything to hurt your team at a pivotal time in the game especially after a 3 and out stop for a 50 yd FG try and plenty of time left for your team.



I hate how the NFL and the zebras are making the game...they are pussyfing with all these tic tac penalties, protecting certain individuals or teams we all know they call anything for, and if you do anything to the QB that is to hard a hit (Brockers a few years ago against the Bears) they through a game changing flag.

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To add to that point here is the NFL Rulebook:
Rule 12 Player Conduct
Section 3 Unsportsmanlike Conduct
Article 1: Prohibited Acts. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include, among others:
(a) Throwing a punch, or a forearm, or kicking at an opponent, even though no contact is made.
(b) Using abusive, threatening, or insulting language or gestures to opponents, teammates, officials, or representatives of the League.
(c) Using baiting or taunting acts or words that engender ill will between teams.
(d) Prolonged or excessive celebrations or demonstrations by an individual player. Players are prohibited from engaging in any celebrations or demonstrations while on the ground. A celebration or demonstration shall be deemed excessive or prolonged if a player continues to celebrate or demonstrate after a warning from an official.
(e) Two or more players engaging in prolonged, excessive, premeditated, or choreographed celebrations or demonstrations.
(f) Possession or use of foreign or extraneous object(s) that are not part of the uniform during the game on the field or the sideline, or using the ball as a prop.
(g) Unnecessary physical contact with a game official.
(h) Removal of his helmet by a player in the field of play or the end zone during a celebration or demonstration, or during a confrontation with a game official or any other player.



Unfortunately rules are up to interpretation of the particular ref and usually stand. Somebody's viewpoint always isn't reality and sometimes you can be subject somebody's 'opinion' Kinda like my post in the "Did anybody else see this" thread. Punishment is dulled out by opinion or viewpoint not fact sometimes.
 
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The Officials have to understand the game is not about them, it never is, no reason for throwing a flag there and IMO, that is where the Head Lineman (Chief of the Crew) needs to step in and tell the side judge to pick up the damn flag! Sorry, that Ref should be fined and exiled to Siberia.

I’m gonna be very pragmatic and open about this. And please leave this here as I expect you will due to your track record of respect.

I’m a minor league umpire in AA. I understand and comprehend your perspective as a fan because like you, I’m also a fan. I’m about as hardcore as a fan gets on game day (I yell at officials, jump up and down scaring my 1 1/2 year old son...etc). But as a professional adjudger, official myself, I take to heart the “don’t make it about you” scapegoat phrase. Now listen, I’m not making this personal towards you or anyone by any means, but I take it personal because I’ve had that phrase yelled to me in my face after ejecting a manager.... even this past season where I only had 6 ejections in 145 games. With that said, I never, ever made it about me. I never made a call thinking,”man I want the crowd to see me take control”. And I’m going to tell you now that no official “makes it about them” unless it’s a personal vendetta against an individual. Even then, it’s not about them because it’s unprofessional. It’s all about a judgment call in a split second, that is made that we as fans may not agree with. Period. But yet fans seem to think it’s about the official/umpire “making it about them”. What many folks don’t realize is the amount of sacrifice and experience one goes through to reach the highest level of officiating. Don’t you think the directors of officials (NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL...) have studied the officials they hire? They know their characters, their families, their skill sets in and out. Not to mention, they are constantly evaluated.

I’m the end, hate the call, disagree, do whatever one has to do (because I do it too!) But don’t make it personal or criticize one who is trying to do their best in a highly stressful , highly focused job while being around the best in the world.

I thought I’d let you and anyone who takes the time to read this in on a little insight from the other side of the fence.
 

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I get that people didn't like the call.. but I've seen similar things called penalties many times before.

Of course the official doesn't have to call it (it wasn't that bad) .. but you can't control the official only your own actions.

After the play penalties that can easily be avoided should be avoided 100% of the time.
 

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I'm not saying he should run out on the field and hurt the team more. Rather that he should show some of that inner MFing rage that I know he's got in his postgame presser. I would have laid those refs the F out after that game in the press. Straight up would have called the NFL on their favoritism and attempted crowning of the other team and given them the PR flak that they deserve.

Sometimes clapping along isn't going to get you anything more than further abuse. I think making the refs and NFL hear it can be a good thing in cases where their influence is over the top in one direction, as it sure the F was in that game.
And how many calls you think he is gonna get over the rest of his career .... the officiating was shit yes ... but I honestly think McVay is smart ... he is a young Rookie HC with everything to prove ... when he has the clout a mike MacArthy or bill B or Tomlin has he might start railing on the refs ... but I till then every team and coaching staff we play are great and the refs are perfect and that’s smart
 

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And how many calls you think he is gonna get over the rest of his career .... the officiating was crap yes ... but I honestly think McVay is smart ... he is a young Rookie HC with everything to prove ... when he has the clout a mike MacArthy or bill B or Tomlin has he might start railing on the refs ... but I till then every team and coaching staff we play are great and the refs are perfect and that’s smart

Agree. And while it might feel good for a little bit, as if he'd be channeling the anger of us fans, it wouldn't be a good showing for his players. McVay preaches accountability, I'm sure he's had a friendly conversation with Tru about keeping his cool, so McVay himself has to stay level-headed. That's smart.
 

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I thought I’d let you and anyone who takes the time to read this in on a little insight from the other side of the fence.

Appreciate the input and I have umpired myself, which IMO, is totally different from being a football official because you have to make the call as an umpire (Ball Strike, out or safe), however, you make a great comparison with ejecting a manager which is more subjective. With that being posted I will refrain moving forward posting the comment..."It's not about them." Still a horrendous call, which has been debated by others how bad it was, but that does not make a difference to your point and again great post @JRobinson .
 
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-report-20171214-story.html

Chatty Trumaine Johnson says he won't let his words cost the Rams again
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(Kelvin Kuo / Associated Press)

If he could, Trumaine Johnson would take it back.

Not the dynamic play the Rams cornerback made to break up a pass intended for Philadelphia Eagles receiver Alshon Jeffery, but the verbal exchange that followed and resulted in a costly penalty in Sunday’s Rams loss at the Coliseum.

The unsportsmanlike conduct penalty against Johnson enabled the Eagles to continue a drive that led to a touchdown in a defeat that prevented the Rams from securing a two-game division lead going into Sunday’s NFC West showdown at Seattle.

Johnson said Thursday that he and Jeffery are friends, and that trash talking was part of the game. He said he and Jeffery were laughing, and that the game official erred in thinking he was taunting.

But Johnson regretted his actions.

“It was selfish act, especially on that crucial drive,” he said. “What I take from it: Celebrate my teammates. It’s not just all about me. If I could take it back, I’d take it back.”

The defeat dropped the Rams’ record to 9-4, a game ahead of the Seahawks, whose loss at Jacksonville left them at 8-5.

Sunday’s game at CenturyLink Field will go a long way toward deciding the division title and playoff seeding.

Johnson left in the fourth quarter against the Eagles with what was initially announced as concussion protocol, but coach Sean McVay said this week that it was because of a “stinger,” a neck and shoulder issue.

Johnson is practicing and will be in the lineup against the Seahawks, a 16-10 winner over the Rams in October.

“I’m good, I’m 100%,” Johnson said. “This is Seattle. Second time playing them. It’s for the division.”

The pressure on the Rams might not be so great if Johnson had avoided the penalty against the Eagles.

The Rams made several costly mistakes — quarterback Jared Goff, for example, lost a fourth-quarter fumble — but Johnson’s miscue following a third-down stop occurred after a whistle.

“We can’t have penalties after the play,” defensive coordinator Wade Phillips said, adding that the point swing “might’ve been the difference in the ball game.”

Johnson said that he and Jeffery were “friends on the field, enemies between the white lines,” and that they were “just competing” and talking the whole game.

“If you can see the play, me and him was laughing at each other,” Johnson said. “I knocked down the ball, and the ref took it the wrong way. Said I was in his face and I was taunting him.

“I’m like, ‘I’m just playing ball.’”

Johnson was not doing anything other than “talking to the guy,” Phillips said, but players should not leave anything open to interpretation by officials.

“You just can’t do that during the game,” Phillips said. “You just got to celebrate on your own and don’t worry about talking to the other guy.

“We learned a tough lesson there, because, like I said, it could’ve cost us the ball game and our players know that now.”

Johnson is part of a Rams secondary that once again must adapt to the absence of cornerback Kayvon Webster, who suffered a ruptured Achilles against the Eagles.

Cornerbacks Nickell Robey-Coleman, Troy Hill and Kevin Peterson are expected to fill the void. Safeties Lamarcus Joyner, John Johnson and Blake Countess also will figure in the coverage equation against mobile and multitalented Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson and his receivers.

Hill played against the Eagles after Webster suffered the season-ending injury.

“We have a lot of confidence in Troy,” McVay said, “and I thought he did a great job last week, especially against such a good offense like Philadelphia.”
 

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That's one of the problems when you get a free agent who was a backup player, ( Kayvon Webster )

He's never really been tested for durability.
 

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Chatty Trumaine Johnson says he won't let his words cost the Rams again

I still think it was a terrible, BS call. That being said, going into Sunday's game, McVay needs to tell everybody to just STFU and play because you know the classless iceholes on the other side of the field are going to try to bait them into unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, particularly when they are at such a disadvantage both through being a less talented team and having injuries. They need some BS calls to go their way to win. Don't give Guns Hochuli any chance to make them.
 

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I think you forgot about the 50 yard PI on 3rd down that led to 7 points. JMO
Finally read through this thread. Great conversation. This was a great play by Tru. Totally petty call. Perfect form. Turned his head batted ball.

If your going to say something, say while walking away.
Agreed. Wise advice for coach McVay to give Tru. Hopefully he heeds it in the future. From the article posted, Tru is saying all the right things.

Tru was the one instigating, so whoever started it is the one who will get the flag. Just like anyone who starts a fight in public gets the charges.

Just the opposite. The one who started it ALMOST NEVER gets flagged. See: first quarter taunting on Eagle touchdown. See: Jefferey taunts after earlier catch.

I'm in the camp that says they should have been off-setting penalties.
bingo. You don’t FAVOR one team on mutual jawing. This should be the bottom line of this whole thread. This game was too big for this consequence. Too much self-loathing by many here. “Well Tru needs to control himself”. While true, this call changed the destiny of this game, and was waaaay over-reaching.

I recall a questionable roughing penalty as well.
I don’t remember that one, but how does Jared’s helmet get ripped off by another guys helmet and NOTHING is called?!!! Aikman didn’t even say anything. BS!

Ummm. I think you're forgetting this is the SEAHAWKS you're talking about. Let me remind you how this works: Rams need Eagles to beat Hawks, Hawks get EVERY 50/50 call and walk away with what is a tainted victory in my view.
True. Just call things consistently.

The other call that irked me was the hit on Goff. Aikman discussed how tough Goff was as he walked back to the sideline after putting his helmet back on, but you think Wilson (add Brady and about every other QB other than Cam Newton) doesn't get a call on that play??? Our QB got his helmet RIPPED OFF HIS HEAD by the other guy's HELMET! This is exactly what the rule is in place for, protecting high hits to the QB. WTF??!!

Again. You saw it too.

Payton sure had a gripe IMO, being hit with 11 penalties while Atlanta only had 4 seemed out of whack
I don’t know the merits. But generally I don’t agree with the “equity in calls” arguement. Some teams earn more penalties. Call the penalties.
I called it in the first quarter, after the Eagles scored, then taunted us in the end zone. I told my buddy that when they call a team for taunting, it would be against the Rams, and it would be crucial.
Hate that you were right. Sigh.

I hate how the NFL and the zebras are making the game...they are pussyfing with all these tic tac penalties, protecting certain individuals or teams we all know they call anything for, and if you do anything to the QB that is to hard a hit (Brockers a few years ago against the Bears) they through a game changing flag.
Exactly.
 

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So basically Wade Phillips saying what I've been saying...

Trash talking and shit talking may seem harmless, but they aren't.

Some of you guys need to go referee a game with a lot of shit talking and let it keep going - see what happens.

I've been a player in those situations (not the one talking but my teamates), a coach in those situations, and a referee in those situations.

I've seen guns pulled from bags from that harmless shit talking. Escalation is a real thing from ages 3 to death, children or adults...