Jared Cook?

[jrry32]

you mean like we did after the rams signed him up 3 years ago?

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Yea...but to be fair, they do have Rodgers and a team that wins year in and year out. We don't.

 

[blackbart]

Why not? Look at what Belichick just did. And that's a team trying to win the Super Bowl. He traded a PERFORMING player because he knew NE would lose Jones next year in FA.

Because it is not mid season when they are trying to win during the season. The only time something like that is happening at the trade deadline is between one team trying to solidify and one team already out of the race. Regardless of some of the opinions on Cooks performance he was a big part of their offensive plan for 2015 and they were still in the divisional race.

NE trading Jones for a former 1st round selection is nothing like Cook for a late round draft pick.

 

[Warner4Prez]

Why not? Look at what Belichick just did. And that's a team trying to win the Super Bowl. He traded a PERFORMING player because he knew NE would lose Jones next year in FA.

Not exactly a fair comparison. They had Long putting pen to paper, plus got a 2nd round pick and a former 1st round offensive lineman.

 

[jrry32]

Not exactly a fair comparison. They had Long putting pen to paper, plus got a 2nd round pick and a former 1st round offensive lineman.

See below. The majority of this forum wanted Cook gone. It's a plenty fair comparison. If anything, it's slightly tougher for Belichick to justify his trade because of Jones's performance and his team's lack of difference-making pass rushers.

Because it is not mid season when they are trying to win during the season. The only time something like that is happening at the trade deadline is between one team trying to solidify and one team already out of the race. Regardless of some of the opinions on Cooks performance he was a big part of their offensive plan for 2015 and they were still in the divisional race.

NE trading Jones for a former 1st round selection is nothing like Cook for a late round draft pick.

You're right. Because Jones was actually playing extremely well for NE. Cook wasn't for the Rams.

They knew at that point in the season they weren't keeping him beyond this year. The majority of the people on this board were pissed at Cook's inconsistencies and poor effort. Losing Cook would not have hurt our already terrible pass offense.

The Rams messed up. In fact, let's see what the forum had to say back then:
http://ramsondemand.com/threads/lacanfora-teams-interested-in-trading-for-cook.40787/
That's a pretty strong consensus in favor of trading Cook despite the fact that we were still in the playoff hunt. Speaks volumes.

 

[DR RAM]

See below. The majority of this forum wanted Cook gone. It's a plenty fair comparison. If anything, it's slightly tougher for Belichick to justify his trade because of Jones's performance and his team's lack of difference-making pass rushers.



You're right. Because Jones was actually playing extremely well for NE. Cook wasn't for the Rams.

They knew at that point in the season they weren't keeping him beyond this year. The majority of the people on this board were pissed at Cook's inconsistencies and poor effort. Losing Cook would not have hurt our already terrible pass offense.

The Rams messed up. In fact, let's see what the forum had to say back then:
http://ramsondemand.com/threads/lacanfora-teams-interested-in-trading-for-cook.40787/
That's a pretty strong consensus in favor of trading Cook despite the fact that we were still in the playoff hunt. Speaks volumes.

Cook was one of our polarizing players, and in some sense, being held accountable for his contract--a stigma that some players can't get clear of.

 

[Akrasian]

If the Rams had traded Cook - especially for a low round pick - it would have been seen as them throwing in the towel AND intentionally tanking the season to force a move. Meanwhile, when the trade likely came up, the Rams were probably still in contention. Offering the Rams a second - sure. Offering the Rams a pick a few before UDFAs anyway - I don't think so.

 

[jrry32]

If the Rams had traded Cook - especially for a low round pick - it would have been seen as them throwing in the towel AND intentionally tanking the season to force a move. Meanwhile, when the trade likely came up, the Rams were probably still in contention. Offering the Rams a second - sure. Offering the Rams a pick a few before UDFAs anyway - I don't think so.

Who cares what it's seen as? Good teams make moves that benefit them. They don't care what the public perception is.

Getting something for Cook would have helped this team. And removing Cook from the team would have had a minimal impact. Plus, we could use a pick or two with us being down a 5th and a 7th.

 

[Akrasian]

Who cares what it's seen as? Good teams make moves that benefit them. They don't care what the public perception is.

Getting something for Cook would have helped this team. And removing Cook from the team would have had a minimal impact. Plus, we could use a pick or two with us being down a 5th and a 7th.

A late 7th round pick is worth virtually nothing in this draft. But Cook was one of the better pass targets for the Rams last season, despite all his flaws. If the trade offer was before the Rams fell out of contention (and the deadline was before that happened) and the offer was crap, you are saying that in retrospect the Rams would be better off trading their slight chance of contending, AND being blasted for giving up, for very little. Unless you have some info that the trade offer was substantial, of course. But you do NOT have any such info. You are just blasting the Rams without actual information.

Oh, and teams are a business, and the Rams were in a sensitive situation anyway. Making a move for no substantive future advantage, while hurting the team short term is stupid. Cook was overpaid. That does NOT mean he was worthless.

But if you have any actual information that the offer for Cook was decent, please share it. Given how long he had to wait until being signed, despite being available BEFORE the start of free agency, tells me otherwise though.

 

[Amitar]

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2...-cook-packers-rams-trade-free-agency-2016-nfl
Last season, the Packers attempted to acquire Cook last season prior to the NFL trade deadline, reports ESPN's Rob Demovsky.

Great, so the Rams probably had a good idea they were not going to keep him with his huge contract. So when the opportunity comes to trade him they balk. Well played.
A 7th round pick is not worthless. It's another chance to get a player before they go UDFA.

 

[Akrasian]

Keep in mind that Kendricks had the thumb injury. So the Rams were short of starting caliber TEs anyway. A lowball offer for Cook would have left the Rams with Harkey and little else, in a system that wanted to run two TE sets.

Again, there is zero evidence that the Packers offered anything substantial for Cook. I am amazed that people expected the Rams to trade a starter, regardless of the offer, while they were in contention, while there were injuries at the position.

 

[jrry32]

A late 7th round pick is worth virtually nothing in this draft. But Cook was one of the better pass targets for the Rams last season, despite all his flaws. If the trade offer was before the Rams fell out of contention (and the deadline was before that happened) and the offer was crap, you are saying that in retrospect the Rams would be better off trading their slight chance of contending, AND being blasted for giving up, for very little. Unless you have some info that the trade offer was substantial, of course. But you do NOT have any such info. You are just blasting the Rams without actual information.

Oh, and teams are a business, and the Rams were in a sensitive situation anyway. Making a move for no substantive future advantage, while hurting the team short term is stupid. Cook was overpaid. That does NOT mean he was worthless.

But if you have any actual information that the offer for Cook was decent, please share it. Given how long he had to wait until being signed, despite being available BEFORE the start of free agency, tells me otherwise though.

Cook sucked all year long. He had a minimal impact. A late 7th round pick is still worth more than nothing. And that's what we got for Cook.

If you think trading Cook had any effect on our chances of contending, you're nuts and rewriting history. Our chances of contending were entirely on Gurley, Tavon, and the defense. Not our league worst passing game...and especially not a TE playing mediocre football.

Stupid is refusing trade offers for a player you are planning to cut.

The Rams were smart enough to trade Chris Givens. They should have been smart enough to trade Jared Cook.

Keep in mind that Kendricks had the thumb injury. So the Rams were short of starting caliber TEs anyway. A lowball offer for Cook would have left the Rams with Harkey and little else, in a system that wanted to run two TE sets.

Again, there is zero evidence that the Packers offered anything substantial for Cook. I am amazed that people expected the Rams to trade a starter, regardless of the offer, while they were in contention, while there were injuries at the position.

Kendricks was playing through the injury. The drop-off from Cook to him would have been non-existent with how poorly Cook was playing. Probably would have resulted in an upgrade in terms of blocking.

And the Rams had Justice Cunningham on the roster for the two TE sets. Cunningham ain't much of a receiver but he's a good blocker. Considering our offense was based entirely around running the ball, I'd say that's pretty damn important.

I'm amazed that you think the Rams shouldn't have traded an underperforming player that they planned to cut after the season. Especially when he wasn't a vital part of the gameplan.

 

[Akrasian]

Cook sucked all year long. He had a minimal impact. A late 7th round pick is still worth more than nothing. And that's what we got for Cook.

If you think trading Cook had any effect on our chances of contending, you're nuts and rewriting history. Our chances of contending were entirely on Gurley, Tavon, and the defense. Not our league worst passing game...and especially not a TE playing mediocre football.

Stupid is refusing trade offers for a player you are planning to cut.

The Rams were smart enough to trade Chris Givens. They should have been smart enough to trade Jared Cook.



Kendricks was playing through the injury. The drop-off from Cook to him would have been non-existent with how poorly Cook was playing. Probably would have resulted in an upgrade in terms of blocking.

And the Rams had Justice Cunningham on the roster for the two TE sets. Cunningham ain't much of a receiver but he's a good blocker. Considering our offense was based entirely around running the ball, I'd say that's pretty damn important.

I'm amazed that you think the Rams shouldn't have traded an underperforming player that they planned to cut after the season. Especially when he wasn't a vital part of the gameplan.

Cook had been the leading receiver for the Rams the previous couple of seasons. The Rams were in contention still. Their only other significant pass catching TE was playing with one hand. It is freakin' insane to think - at the midpoint of the season when the Rams still had some chance of contention - that the Rams would want to trade a healthy Cook for diddley-squat. Cook could easily have had a couple of big receptions that would have helped the Rams to a winning record. Despite your contention, YOU are rewriting history to say that the Rams with their many flaws had no realistic reason to hope that the leading pass catcher for the team the previous two seasons had no chance to contribute to the team over half a season, and that the Rams should instead rely on a 4th string TE.

And there is a huge difference, btw, between trading a receiver like Givens who was 5th on the roster, and had been for several seasons, and trading the guy who had been the leading receiver for two previous years - oh, and who despite his issues still finished second in yards in 2015. One you trade when there's a roster crunch. The other NFL teams will try to get back into the game plan.

 

[shaunpinney]

He's had a visit to GB - I'd be gutted if he signs and becomes the leagues leading TE receiver - if he can't succeed with ARod throwing the ball, he never will!

 

[jrry32]

Cook had been the leading receiver for the Rams the previous couple of seasons.

And yet they cut him after the 2015 season. So what exactly does this say?

The Rams were in contention still.

And Cook contributed very little to that.

Their only other significant pass catching TE was playing with one hand. It is freakin' insane to think - at the midpoint of the season when the Rams still had some chance of contention - that the Rams would want to trade a healthy Cook for diddley-squat.

I think you have it backwards. The Rams got diddly-squat when they released Cook. The Rams were going to get something if they traded him. Kendricks with a single hand was capable of contributing about as much as Cook did.

Cook could easily have had a couple of big receptions that would have helped the Rams to a winning record. Despite your contention, YOU are rewriting history to say that the Rams with their many flaws had no realistic reason to hope that the leading pass catcher for the team the previous two seasons had no chance to contribute to the team over half a season, and that the Rams should instead rely on a 4th string TE.

I'm not the one rewriting history. The Rams wouldn't have been "relying" on Justice Cunningham. They weren't even "relying" on Cook.

And since we're introducing fantasy, the 7th round pick we could have gotten from the Packers could have turned into a HOF WR.

The Rams cut Cook. This forum was overwhelmingly in favor of trading Cook and were ripping on him all year for his poor play. Cook wasn't making any difference for the Rams. He was not an asset. The Rams should have traded him like they did Givens.

And there is a huge difference, btw, between trading a receiver like Givens who was 5th on the roster, and had been for several seasons, and trading the guy who had been the leading receiver for two previous years - oh, and who despite his issues still finished second in yards in 2015. One you trade when there's a roster crunch. The other NFL teams will try to get back into the game plan.

There isn't a huge difference. Using your argument, we shouldn't have traded Givens. Givens led the Rams in receiving yards in 2012 and was second in 2013. Cook led the Rams in receiving yards in 2013 and was second in 2014. But history is irrelevant. Givens wasn't getting the job done. The Rams moved on. Cook wasn't getting the job done. The Rams should have moved on.

Finishing second in receiving yards on the 2015 Rams is about as meaningful as being the second best OL on the 2011 Rams. It certainly wasn't a good enough effort to save his job.

Trading Cook would have had a minimal impact at most. He wasn't contributing much to the offense. The passing game as a whole wasn't contributing much of anything to the offense. And the Rams ended up getting rid of him for nothing.

Stop trying to justify the move. In hindsight, it was the wrong move. And I've already shown that there were plenty of people on this board begging for him to be traded back then.

 

[shaunpinney]

LOL - got to laugh, 'Rams leading receivers', such a funny statement.

 

[shaunpinney]

I for one am happy we got rid of Cook. Ideally, when we knew our season was shot, I would have liked to have seen us trade him for an extra pick, I mean, what was the point in flogging a dead horse?

 

[blackbart]

See below. The majority of this forum wanted Cook gone. It's a plenty fair comparison. If anything, it's slightly tougher for Belichick to justify his trade because of Jones's performance and his team's lack of difference-making pass rushers.



You're right. Because Jones was actually playing extremely well for NE. Cook wasn't for the Rams.

They knew at that point in the season they weren't keeping him beyond this year. The majority of the people on this board were pissed at Cook's inconsistencies and poor effort. Losing Cook would not have hurt our already terrible pass offense.

The Rams messed up. In fact, let's see what the forum had to say back then:
http://ramsondemand.com/threads/lacanfora-teams-interested-in-trading-for-cook.40787/
That's a pretty strong consensus in favor of trading Cook despite the fact that we were still in the playoff hunt. Speaks volumes.

You are taking these two situation out of context of their timing.

And fans bitch and complain all the time coaches would be idiots to listen to anything a fan base has to say. Most have never played passed high school or coached passed Pop Warner.

 

[Akrasian]

The Rams were 4-3 at the trade deadline, and 3-0 in the NFC West. And yet some wanted the Rams to trade a starter for a late round pick, despite their #2 guy at the position being hurt.

Decisions have to be made looking forward, NOT after we know how the season ended up. I'm amazed that people expect decisions to be made in retrospect. And we all know that if the Rams had made the trade, had finished a little shy of the playoffs, Snisher would have been blasted by these same posters.

 

[jrry32]

You are taking these two situation out of context of their timing.

And fans bitch and complain all the time coaches would be idiots to listen to anything a fan base has to say. Most have never played passed high school or coached passed Pop Warner.

Yet, the fans were right.

 

[jrry32]

The Rams were 4-3 at the trade deadline, and 3-0 in the NFC West. And yet some wanted the Rams to trade a starter for a late round pick, despite their #2 guy at the position being hurt.

Decisions have to be made looking forward, NOT after we know how the season ended up. I'm amazed that people expect decisions to be made in retrospect. And we all know that if the Rams had made the trade, had finished a little shy of the playoffs, Snisher would have been blasted by these same posters.

That's the humorous part. The people on this forum made the decision looking forward. Their decision was to trade Cook. And looking back, it was the right decision.