Why I'm still pissed off about this off season

[Rams77]

Fact is, Snead is not a good GM. It was smoke and mirrors when he was able to convince players like Suh and Talib to come here for short term deals in an effort to get a ring. I actually like what he did there, and think that if McVay would have just gotten out of his own head and kept trying to prove to everybody he really was as smart as they said he was, the team would have won that Super Bowl, because Belichick didn't do anything special.

But for a "master" GM, these sure look skech as hell:

-Buying high on Peters, then selling him low, then watching Peters turn into an All-Pro again
-That absolutely ridiculous Watkins trade (and Watkins trade)
-Paying a fortune for Cooks, giving him an armored truck full of money, then dumping him shortly thereafter
-Bidding against ourselves for Ramsey, paying double what the Steelers paid for a comparable corner
-Giving Gurley an extension a year before he had to even consider it, then eating a bad contract shortly thereafter
-Giving Goff a monster extension at least 2 years before he had to even consider it (something I roasted at the time, and got roasted here for not seeing the vision because "that contract will look like a bargain in 2 years"), then eating a bad contract
-He let Brockers go, and it was only through dumb luck the team got him back
-Eric Weddle
-Widely acknowledged one of the big reasons the team got to the Super Bowl was a fantastic offensive line. Then it was allowed to turn to garbage and it's been ignored for years now.
-Look, I love Kupp, but the guy is made of blown glass. Giving him 47 million dollars was dumb, because he's never on the field in the playoffs
-These compounding bad decisions resulted in Littleton walking
-Letting our special teams go from being the unquestioned best in the league to one of the worst

These aren't the moves of a stable genius.


Someone above defends this claiming that his system IS WORKING!!!. And, I'm sorry, but are we watching the same team?

Theyhad a run of 2 good years as an up and coming challenger for the crown, missed the playoffs, and then snuck in as a 6 seed and got curbstomped on national tv. This team is firmly middle of the pack, and is very likely to either remain there or regress given the lack of draft capital and free agent flexibility through bad trades and cap mismanagement.

This is what Ive been saying all along-I HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA HOW LES SNEAD IS STILL EMPLOYED BY THE RAMS... He should have been put out to pasteur when his butt buddy Jeff Fisher was forced into early retirement. Snead lucked into McVay. The amout of bone headed decisions Snead has made are artfully described by your post. He is truly the most reckless front office person Ive ever seen in any sport. Again we have been successful in the four years because of McVay in SPITE of Les Snead mucking things up left and right. AND the crazy props he gets for his drafting prowess in the late rounds is best deserved for his trading buddy/master scout of 7 years Brad Holmes who is now in Detroit. I cant wait until the day Les Snead is gone-now back to our regularly scheduled programming

 

[XXXIVwin]

This is what Ive been saying all along-I HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA HOW LES SNEAD IS STILL EMPLOYED BY THE RAMS... He should have been put out to pasteur when his butt buddy Jeff Fisher was forced into early retirement. Snead lucked into McVay. The amout of bone headed decisions Snead has made are artfully described by your post. He is truly the most reckless front office person Ive ever seen in any sport. Again we have been successful in the four years because of McVay in SPITE of Les Snead mucking things up left and right. AND the crazy props he gets for his drafting prowess in the late rounds is best deserved for his trading buddy/master scout of 7 years Brad Holmes who is now in Detroit. I cant wait until the day Les Snead is gone-now back to our regularly scheduled programming

Guaranteed that for all the moves Snead has made in the last four years, they were all done with McVay’s full support and blessing.

 

[ozarkram]

..its the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Florio? Really?

 

[Rams77]

It's never a good idea to assign motives, goals or intentions to others.

Also, Goff in his current incarnation was never gonna get us back to the Super Bowl.

Are we better struggling with Goff, getting a rookie QB and presuming we even hit on him, then waiting the 2-3 years to maybe capture the end of the AD/Ramsey/Kupp/Woods window?

Sorry, but it's already hard enough to win in the NFL... look at the Packers this year... Really nice team all around... and bounced from the NFCCG.

The best ANY team can do is the best they can to put the best team on the field and work as hard as they can to execute their best designs on gameday and then work every day in between gamedays to improve day by day.

I legit think we have a chance to win the Super Bowl next year.

And while anything less would be a disappointment, no team can expect to win.

Not even the 18-0 Patriots...

If "any given Sunday" taught us anything, it's that the best laid plans of kickers and men...

Are you kidding me?? If Donald was his usual self and the defense played even halfway decent at Green Bay we would have beaten them! Goff played a damn good game with a surgically repaired thumb at Green Bay AND we also beat the Bucs in Week 11 at Tampa Bay-oh you know the game where Goff started 19-19. So saying we would bever have won the Super Bowl with Goff is pure speculation and herd mentality. We wayy overpaid to get a guy thats slightly better today but who knows-it might pay off-but if it doesnt then who does McVay blame then??

 

[dieterbrock]

So who's left on the roster that was a Fisher pick? Donald, Brockers and Hekker? That's what? A 95% roster turnover and had the 4th straight winning season? Dont have to agree with them or like them, but you have to respect them. Let's face it, the Rams have already changed pre-season and their trade vs sign FA ploy that nets comp picks has become a more widely used process. Now they may be innovating the trade away the first rounder and the "dont be afraid of the dead money, its better than keeping a deadbeat player"

 

[thirteen28]

Fact is, Snead is not a good GM. It was smoke and mirrors when he was able to convince players like Suh and Talib to come here for short term deals in an effort to get a ring. I actually like what he did there, and think that if McVay would have just gotten out of his own head and kept trying to prove to everybody he really was as smart as they said he was, the team would have won that Super Bowl, because Belichick didn't do anything special.

But for a "master" GM, these sure look skech as hell:

-Buying high on Peters, then selling him low, then watching Peters turn into an All-Pro again
-That absolutely ridiculous Watkins trade (and Watkins trade)
-Paying a fortune for Cooks, giving him an armored truck full of money, then dumping him shortly thereafter
-Bidding against ourselves for Ramsey, paying double what the Steelers paid for a comparable corner
-Giving Gurley an extension a year before he had to even consider it, then eating a bad contract shortly thereafter
-Giving Goff a monster extension at least 2 years before he had to even consider it (something I roasted at the time, and got roasted here for not seeing the vision because "that contract will look like a bargain in 2 years"), then eating a bad contract
-He let Brockers go, and it was only through dumb luck the team got him back
-Eric Weddle
-Widely acknowledged one of the big reasons the team got to the Super Bowl was a fantastic offensive line. Then it was allowed to turn to garbage and it's been ignored for years now.
-Look, I love Kupp, but the guy is made of blown glass. Giving him 47 million dollars was dumb, because he's never on the field in the playoffs
-These compounding bad decisions resulted in Littleton walking
-Letting our special teams go from being the unquestioned best in the league to one of the worst

These aren't the moves of a stable genius.


Someone above defends this claiming that his system IS WORKING!!!. And, I'm sorry, but are we watching the same team?

Theyhad a run of 2 good years as an up and coming challenger for the crown, missed the playoffs, and then snuck in as a 6 seed and got curbstomped on national tv. This team is firmly middle of the pack, and is very likely to either remain there or regress given the lack of draft capital and free agent flexibility through bad trades and cap mismanagement.

Ok dude. I get that Les has made mistakes - all GMs do. And I'm certainly not happy with his role in disrespecting Goff on the way out the door, it was absolutely uncalled for and lacked class.

Still ... c'mon. Les has, in rounds 2-7 as well as in UDFA's hit on plenty of players, good ones, that have helped this team win. And the decline in our ST's is on the special teams coach, and by extension, McVay.

Snead my be on my shit list at the moment for the way he handled Goff's departure, but he's still a good GM.

What's worse about your post is ...

An early nominee for worst post of the year!

Glad you are a passionate Rams fan, but yeah, I disagree with *almost* everything in this post.

Clearly, the Eric Weddle signing shows this regime is an absolute failure

... you've got me agreeing with @XXXIVwin and that's against forum rules and shit.

 

[Corbin]

Lol, a little off the subject here but I remember when the Rams moved to St Louis. The combination of the move exasperated by the losing seasons I said I was done with the Rams the second year after the move. So I picked the new team. The Jags. Even bought a Jaguars rain coat.

Well, that lasted all of two games. Being in the 49er market those games were always on TV here. While rooting for the 49ers to lose I kept watch on the scores on the bottom of the screen. I realized I was more interested in the Rams score than the Jags. I said "I can't quit these guys. I'll be a St Louis Rams fan even with all the losing".

To me it wasn't the move that frustrated me. It was the losing. I wasn't used to a decade of losing seasons after seeing them in the playoffs most years in the 70's and 80's. Thankfully the GSOT came and life was good as a fan for a while.

Lmao

That’s a great story! Haha I become a fan at 9 years old in 1989 and was a shit show in my teenage years until the GSOT days and I always got wrecked in regards to their shit show in those years. I was the sole Ram fan I knew in New Mexico and never met any others but it’s funny to hear now the stories of what others went three in that same time period!

I was convincing and forcing myself to start looking for another team in 96-97 but just couldn’t do it. Hell the uniforms alone were bar none the best and catchiest out there. Tony Banks was killing me to watch.

I’m thankful I did because 1999 made it all worth it with that magical season. Ever since then haven’t thought twice about changing or dropping them, however I did want to snipe Spags’ dumb ass... maybe just with a paintball gun. That guy man made the rough times in the 90’s seem like a cake walk.

 

[Mackeyser]

Are you kidding me?? If Donald was his usual self and the defense played even halfway decent at Green Bay we would have beaten them! Goff played a damn good game with a surgically repaired thumb at Green Bay AND we also beat the Bucs in Week 11 at Tampa Bay-oh you know the game where Goff started 19-19. So saying we would bever have won the Super Bowl with Goff is pure speculation and herd mentality. We wayy overpaid to get a guy thats slightly better today but who knows-it might pay off-but if it doesnt then who does McVay blame then??

 

[thirteen28]

but who knows-it might pay off-but if it doesnt then who does McVay blame then??

Well, that's the beauty of this trade. McVay lobbied for this trade, including to Stan K, and all the responsibility for its outcome is on him and Snead. If it works, they're heroes, if it fails, they're bums, and they have nobody to hide behind.

 

[Corbin]

It's never a good idea to assign motives, goals or intentions to others.

Also, Goff in his current incarnation was never gonna get us back to the Super Bowl.

Are we better struggling with Goff, getting a rookie QB and presuming we even hit on him, then waiting the 2-3 years to maybe capture the end of the AD/Ramsey/Kupp/Woods window?

Sorry, but it's already hard enough to win in the NFL... look at the Packers this year... Really nice team all around... and bounced from the NFCCG.

The best ANY team can do is the best they can to put the best team on the field and work as hard as they can to execute their best designs on gameday and then work every day in between gamedays to improve day by day.

I legit think we have a chance to win the Super Bowl next year.

And while anything less would be a disappointment, no team can expect to win.

Not even the 18-0 Patriots...

If "any given Sunday" taught us anything, it's that the best laid plans of kickers and men...

That’s total bullshit @Mackeyser ! Any Given Sunday taught us you can’t Offense without Defense!

View: https://youtu.be/zgaxSjr0IRI

 

[Corbin]

Are you kidding me?? If Donald was his usual self and the defense played even halfway decent at Green Bay we would have beaten them! Goff played a damn good game with a surgically repaired thumb at Green Bay AND we also beat the Bucs in Week 11 at Tampa Bay-oh you know the game where Goff started 19-19. So saying we would bever have won the Super Bowl with Goff is pure speculation and herd mentality. We wayy overpaid to get a guy thats slightly better today but who knows-it might pay off-but if it doesnt then who does McVay blame then??

Honestly Goff didn’t have a bad game statistically speaking but him having a ‘good’ game is a bit misleading.

Goff turned into the high percentage/check down king the dude didn’t even complete a pass past 15 yards I don’t think. ( not including YAC)

He got gun shy going down the field or whatever and that allowed the Packers D to roll up their coverage toward the line of scrimmage and that’s all she wrote.

Glad he’s gone,but I’m shocked asf in the ways he regressed tbh.

 

[XXXIVwin]

What's worse about your post is ...



... you've got me agreeing with @XXXIVwin and that's against forum rules and shit.

LMAO!!

 

[Debacled]

This is what Ive been saying all along-I HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA HOW LES SNEAD IS STILL EMPLOYED BY THE RAMS... He should have been put out to pasteur when his butt buddy Jeff Fisher was forced into early retirement. Snead lucked into McVay. The amout of bone headed decisions Snead has made are artfully described by your post. He is truly the most reckless front office person Ive ever seen in any sport. Again we have been successful in the four years because of McVay in SPITE of Les Snead mucking things up left and right. AND the crazy props he gets for his drafting prowess in the late rounds is best deserved for his trading buddy/master scout of 7 years Brad Holmes who is now in Detroit. I cant wait until the day Les Snead is gone-now back to our regularly scheduled programming

Someone obviously didn't have the pleasure of sitting through the Jay Zygmunt/Billy Devaney years.

 

[UKram]

And you are not alone. The second this trade occurred our odds in vegas to win the Super Bowl
increased and we also went from a projected 3rd place finish in the NFC west to now being
projected as the team to finish first. and this is coming from the oddsmakers.
But hey what do they know. They only do this for a living.

I mean we were also projected to finish last in the nfc west this year ... so

 

[TexasRam]

How about you guys actually try to address Mr. Poppinfreshpoints rather than label it worst post of the year and circle jerk each other with high fives

If Goff could get scutinized for every play he made surely our blameless GM who’s setting records with dead money and Pissing away top draft picks needs A little objective analysis don’t cha think?

He provided a laundry list of legitimate careless moves that is catching up to Les the “Can’t compose a sentence but I’m sure smart” Snead.

 

[XXXIVwin]

How about you guys actually try to address Mr. Poppinfreshpoints rather than label it worst post of the year and circle jerk each other with high fives

If Goff could get scutinized for every play he made surely our blameless GM who’s setting records with dead money and Pissing away top draft picks needs A little objective analysis don’t cha think?

He provided a laundry list of legitimate careless moves that is catching up to Les the “Can’t compose a sentence but I’m sure smart” Snead.

Poppinfresh had quite a long list, it would take forever to counter all that foolishness.

Here’s one: he claimed the Rams got hosed with the Ramsey deal and that we “bid against ourselves” (whatever that means) and got ripped off by giving away TWO valuable 1st round draft picks.

With that 20th pick in the 2020 draft, the Jags selected K’Lavon Chaisson (you know him, he’s famous now). From his DE spot, in 2020 K’Lavon racked up a whopping 18 tackles— and 1.0 sacks! (Not a typo, that’s 1.0, as in O-N-E.) Plus the Jags get this year’s 25th overall pick.

Without Ramsey, the Jags defense regressed. Meanwhile, the Rams defense vaulted to #1 overall, with Ramsey consistently locking down the opponent’s top WR.

So who would you rather have? Super-elite lockdown corner in Ramsey? Or K’Lavon Chaisson and pick 25?

Yup, a “sketchy” deal for sure. Snead really fucked up that one!

 

[Loyal]

Poppinfresh had quite a long list, it would take forever to counter all that foolishness.

Here’s one: he claimed the Rams got hosed with the Ramsey deal and that we “bid against ourselves” (whatever that means) and got ripped off by giving away TWO valuable 1st round draft picks.

With that 20th pick in the 2020 draft, the Jags selected K’Lavon Chaisson (you know him, he’s famous now). From his DE spot, in 2020 K’Lavon racked up a whopping 18 tackles— and 1.0 sacks! (Not a typo, that’s 1.0, as in O-N-E.) Plus the Jags get this year’s 25th overall pick.

Without Ramsey, the Jags defense regressed. Meanwhile, the Rams defense vaulted to #1 overall, with Ramsey consistently locking down the opponent’s top WR.

So who would you rather have? Super-elite lockdown corner in Ramsey? Or K’Lavon Chaisson and pick 25?

Yup, a “sketchy” deal for sure. Snead really fucked up that one!

Totally agree. Aside from AD's dominant self, Ramsey was a revelation this year. No way we make the playoffs without him. No way we win the Super Bowl without him next year (yeah, I SAID IT!)\

 

[Kevin]

That's complete and total bullshit by Bucky Brooks.

We've seen McVay gutted about the Super Bowl and make actual schematic changes to account.

Are we seeing nothing, but 6-1 fronts anymore? No, because he adjusted. He adjusted to Goff's issues. He adjusted to Gurley's precipitous drop off in production. He adjusted to the OL issues. And at every stage, he took responsibility.

The ONLY time he DIDN'T fully take responsibility was when Goff was poor with his ball security and he'd just had enough.

It was so out of character that it became a major bit of contention on this board and is a big sticking point in how Goff departed.

The notion that McVay "falls in love with players" at the expense of rational evaluation is offensive and wrong and there's no evidence of that.

Do we have a check?

Well, he took Sloman over other kickers and some thought McVay was enamored with him. Did we just go for it on 4th downs to cover for Sloman all year? Nope. He was out of here.

I don’t dismiss it simply because I don’t like the narrative. Florio was also critical of McVay, and I think he has earned some criticism. McVay tried to acquire Cooks for two years until he finally got him, many of us here thought, why this guy? There were other options. I don’t think Brooks’ take is totally wrong.

 

[Mackeyser]

I don’t dismiss it simply because I don’t like the narrative. Florio was also critical of McVay, and I think he has earned some criticism. McVay tried to acquire Cooks for two years until he finally got him, many of us here thought, why this guy? There were other options. I don’t think Brooks’ take is totally wrong.

It's a bunch of accusations that are provably wrong.

Has nothing to do with a narrative.

McVay said explicitly why he really liked Cooks game and based on the the production, he was right.

If McVay truly was a "fall in love" guy, Cooks would still be a Ram.

Worse, the accusation that he's a "fall in love" guy means that he puts his emotions over his evaluations as a professional coach.

We've seen the exact opposite.

Gurley's knee going? Out.

Cooks concussion issue? Out.

Goff regresses? Out.

I can see the criticism that he doesn't give players a chance to ride out the doldrums. I don't agree with it, but I can see that.

But a "fall in love" guy? Not even close.

And he's not a "new toy" guy, either. Circumstances and lack of production preceded each move.

And what is he supposed to do once production decreases and he and Snead are looking at alternatives... look for worse to avoid the "new toy" criticism???

Just makes no sense.