Why I'm still pissed off about this off season

[badnews]

With a good O-line, Snead, McVay and Stafford will all be popular a while longer.
Without one we will just see more departures and finger pointing.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Since everyone has a little Arm Chair GM in them, I have some questions.

Let's say the Rams didn't extend Goff's contract when they did and he became a free agent after last season.

Would you have extended his deal after that 2019 season? And keep in mind that given the market increase, that deal would have probably been higher than what they agreed upon years ago.

Or would you have franchised him instead?

If you wouldn't have extended him and would have franchised him, would you have franchised him yet again for an even higher amount after this past season?

And if not, who is the QB for the 2021 season? Which free agent QB would you add as a starter?

Chances are, even if they had a selection at the bottom of 1st round this year, it would probably cost more than they paid for Stafford to move up and draft a maybe. And that's if they wanted to go into the season with a rookie starter. And chances are it probably would have still cost them about another 1st rounder or so get Stafford over the other offers from teams with higher picks in the first round.

 

[CoachAllred]

Had they not given Gurley and Cooks those big contracts maybe Roger Saffold is still in Horns and our OLine is much better. Maybe Greg Zeurlein is sill a Ram even though eventually we got Rudy Gay who seems like a good kicker. Maybe we're able to afford a few nice free agents to make the team better.

When they signed Gurley he was the top back in the league, and then he got hurt
Cooks suffered what may or not been a concussion it was listed as a unspecified injury
in New Orleans in 2015. he did not miss any time

In 2018 he suffered a concussion in the Super Bowl with the patriots.
So he had what may or not been a concussion and 3 yrs later he had one.
wouldn't call that a concussion history.
So we signed two players who were very good and then started having injury issues.
Are you saying the Rams should have known that these players would be injury problems?

Had they waited until the end of the 2019 season we could have ridden Jared on his 5th year option and it would have saved us money this past season and beyond. It also would have cost us less to trade for Stafford since we didn't have to pay the Lions to take on that contract. Hell maybe we're able to trade for him before this season and it cost us a lot less.

Goff was playing at a pro bowl level when they signed him. the arrow was pointing up
and they signed him early to keep him from hitting the open market.
And then Goff got his money and his play started in a big decline.
So much that it caused dissent in the locker room. It's not Mcvay or Sneads fault
Goff chose to not put in the work it takes to be a successful QB

So now were projected as one of the top contenders in the NFC with a
QB that is a huge improvement over what we had and will play
for at least another 5-8 years.
The Rams are winners and have been since Mcvay and Snead have been
here and I trust them completely. They know a hell of a lot more in what they're
doing than I do.

I am excited as hell for next year and the next and the one after that.

 

[ottoman89]

When they signed Gurley he was the top back in the league, and then he got hurt
Cooks suffered what may or not been a concussion it was listed as a unspecified injury
in New Orleans in 2015. he did not miss any time

In 2018 he suffered a concussion in the Super Bowl with the patriots.
So he had what may or not been a concussion and 3 yrs later he had one.
wouldn't call that a concussion history.
So we signed two players who were very good and then started having injury issues.
Are you saying the Rams should have known that these players would be injury problems?



Goff was playing at a pro bowl level when they signed him. the arrow was pointing up
and they signed him early to keep him from hitting the open market.
And then Goff got his money and his play started in a big decline.
So much that it caused dissent in the locker room. It's not Mcvay or Sneads fault
Goff chose to not put in the work it takes to be a successful QB

So now were projected as one of the top contenders in the NFC with a
QB that is a huge improvement over what we had and will play
for at least another 5-8 years.
The Rams are winners and have been since Mcvay and Snead have been
here and I trust them completely. They know a hell of a lot more in what they're
doing than I do.

I am excited as hell for next year and the next and the one after that.

Amen to this! Cheers!!

 

[OldSchool]

When they signed Gurley he was the top back in the league, and then he got hurt
Cooks suffered what may or not been a concussion it was listed as a unspecified injury
in New Orleans in 2015. he did not miss any time

In 2018 he suffered a concussion in the Super Bowl with the patriots.
So he had what may or not been a concussion and 3 yrs later he had one.
wouldn't call that a concussion history.
So we signed two players who were very good and then started having injury issues.
Are you saying the Rams should have known that these players would be injury problems?



Goff was playing at a pro bowl level when they signed him. the arrow was pointing up
and they signed him early to keep him from hitting the open market.
And then Goff got his money and his play started in a big decline.
So much that it caused dissent in the locker room. It's not Mcvay or Sneads fault
Goff chose to not put in the work it takes to be a successful QB

So now were projected as one of the top contenders in the NFC with a
QB that is a huge improvement over what we had and will play
for at least another 5-8 years.
The Rams are winners and have been since Mcvay and Snead have been
here and I trust them completely. They know a hell of a lot more in what they're
doing than I do.

I am excited as hell for next year and the next and the one after that.

I'm going to drop this line of thought because this opinion is one that isn't popular with people. It's ok to call out players for their short comings but you can't seem to call out the people drafting, trading for, giving contracts to or coaching said players. But your info on Cooks is just blatantly false.

Brandin Cooks seeing specialist after suffering 2nd concussion of season

Brandin Cooks is asymptomatic after suffering a concussion Sunday.

theramswire.usatoday.com

Cooks has suffered several concussions in his career, including two this season and one last year. He also left Super Bowl LII with a concussion while playing for the Patriots, making this his fourth in less than two calendar years.

 

[CoachAllred]

I don't remember calling any players out. And certainly don't call people out.
That's your expertise

You like to go around calling other posters trade ideas as stupid and then the very trade
that you called stupid just happened. LMAO.

And here's the proof that what I said about the concussions are true.
His concussions with us was after the signing. I guess Snead and company are supposed to see into the future.

But your info on Cooks is just blatantly false.

Cantcutlist.com

 

[XXXIVwin]

I'm going to drop this line of thought because this opinion is one that isn't popular with people. It's ok to call out players for their short comings but you can't seem to call out the people drafting, trading for, giving contracts to or coaching said players. But your info on Cooks is just blatantly false.

Brandin Cooks seeing specialist after suffering 2nd concussion of season

Brandin Cooks is asymptomatic after suffering a concussion Sunday.

theramswire.usatoday.com

No, no, no.

Sorry @OldSchool but you are just factually wrong on this.

AT THE TIME when Cooks was signed by the Rams, NOBODY was expressing concerns about his concussions.

Cooks had one concussion in the SB (when he played for the Patriots) in Jan 2018. And he had had one other concussion in NO way back in 2015, for which he did not miss any time.

If teams were reluctant to sign players based on THAT scant evidence, NOBODY would get signed.

And yes, I did indeed look back at the thread, back when we traded for Cooks in spring 2018. To say that Cooks was “a known concussion risk” at that time is just patently false.

EDIT: (And yes, at the time you were indeed super-positive about the Cooks trade. You posted about Snead: "Damn good stuff sir" and "Brandin Cooks is only 14 months older than Calvin Ridley...he has 4 years of good NFL experience especially playoff experience. Yes he's more expensive but he's proven." So you were gung-ho at the time, but now you say it was a colossal mistake and the Rams magically "should have known" about the concussion risk?!? Come on!)

After Cooks had 3 more concussions with the Rams-- one in the 2018 season, and two more in 2019-- then yes, the calculus changed. But nobody could have seen all those concussions coming back in the spring of 2018. Nobody.

Cantcutlist.com

 

[Mackeyser]

Fact is, Snead is not a good GM. It was smoke and mirrors when he was able to convince players like Suh and Talib to come here for short term deals in an effort to get a ring. I actually like what he did there, and think that if McVay would have just gotten out of his own head and kept trying to prove to everybody he really was as smart as they said he was, the team would have won that Super Bowl, because Belichick didn't do anything special.

But for a "master" GM, these sure look skech as hell:

-Buying high on Peters, then selling him low, then watching Peters turn into an All-Pro again
-That absolutely ridiculous Watkins trade (and Watkins trade)
-Paying a fortune for Cooks, giving him an armored truck full of money, then dumping him shortly thereafter
-Bidding against ourselves for Ramsey, paying double what the Steelers paid for a comparable corner
-Giving Gurley an extension a year before he had to even consider it, then eating a bad contract shortly thereafter
-Giving Goff a monster extension at least 2 years before he had to even consider it (something I roasted at the time, and got roasted here for not seeing the vision because "that contract will look like a bargain in 2 years"), then eating a bad contract
-He let Brockers go, and it was only through dumb luck the team got him back
-Eric Weddle
-Widely acknowledged one of the big reasons the team got to the Super Bowl was a fantastic offensive line. Then it was allowed to turn to garbage and it's been ignored for years now.
-Look, I love Kupp, but the guy is made of blown glass. Giving him 47 million dollars was dumb, because he's never on the field in the playoffs
-These compounding bad decisions resulted in Littleton walking
-Letting our special teams go from being the unquestioned best in the league to one of the worst

These aren't the moves of a stable genius.


Someone above defends this claiming that his system IS WORKING!!!. And, I'm sorry, but are we watching the same team?

Theyhad a run of 2 good years as an up and coming challenger for the crown, missed the playoffs, and then snuck in as a 6 seed and got curbstomped on national tv. This team is firmly middle of the pack, and is very likely to either remain there or regress given the lack of draft capital and free agent flexibility through bad trades and cap mismanagement.

This is such a skewed and incorrect reading of how it all went down that I'll just leave my critique at that and move on.

I already post too long as it is... this would require a novel...

 

[Mackeyser]

View: https://twitter.com/buckybrooks/status/1355956016492412929?s=21

That's complete and total bullshit by Bucky Brooks.

We've seen McVay gutted about the Super Bowl and make actual schematic changes to account.

Are we seeing nothing, but 6-1 fronts anymore? No, because he adjusted. He adjusted to Goff's issues. He adjusted to Gurley's precipitous drop off in production. He adjusted to the OL issues. And at every stage, he took responsibility.

The ONLY time he DIDN'T fully take responsibility was when Goff was poor with his ball security and he'd just had enough.

It was so out of character that it became a major bit of contention on this board and is a big sticking point in how Goff departed.

The notion that McVay "falls in love with players" at the expense of rational evaluation is offensive and wrong and there's no evidence of that.

Do we have a check?

Well, he took Sloman over other kickers and some thought McVay was enamored with him. Did we just go for it on 4th downs to cover for Sloman all year? Nope. He was out of here.

 

[Mackeyser]

Well, your goal is lower than some of ours. You seem to be happy with 10-6 (which, let's be honest, should have been 9-7) and going on the road to get bounced. Personally, as a season ticket holder, I want to see home playoff games and the team not losing its last game of the season. And what Snead is doing will never result in that.

It's never a good idea to assign motives, goals or intentions to others.

Also, Goff in his current incarnation was never gonna get us back to the Super Bowl.

Are we better struggling with Goff, getting a rookie QB and presuming we even hit on him, then waiting the 2-3 years to maybe capture the end of the AD/Ramsey/Kupp/Woods window?

Sorry, but it's already hard enough to win in the NFL... look at the Packers this year... Really nice team all around... and bounced from the NFCCG.

The best ANY team can do is the best they can to put the best team on the field and work as hard as they can to execute their best designs on gameday and then work every day in between gamedays to improve day by day.

I legit think we have a chance to win the Super Bowl next year.

And while anything less would be a disappointment, no team can expect to win.

Not even the 18-0 Patriots...

If "any given Sunday" taught us anything, it's that the best laid plans of kickers and men...

 

[CoachAllred]

That's complete and total bullshit by Bucky Brooks.

We've seen McVay gutted about the Super Bowl and make actual schematic changes to account.

Are we seeing nothing, but 6-1 fronts anymore? No, because he adjusted. He adjusted to Goff's issues. He adjusted to Gurley's precipitous drop off in production. He adjusted to the OL issues. And at every stage, he took responsibility.

The ONLY time he DIDN'T fully take responsibility was when Goff was poor with his ball security and he'd just had enough.

It was so out of character that it became a major bit of contention on this board and is a big sticking point in how Goff departed.

The notion that McVay "falls in love with players" at the expense of rational evaluation is offensive and wrong and there's no evidence of that.

Do we have a check?

Well, he took Sloman over other kickers and some thought McVay was enamored with him. Did we just go for it on 4th downs to cover for Sloman all year? Nope. He was out of here.

Holy Cow Mackeyser ! Preach it brother.
Just another example of the media blabbing without doing their homework to back it up.

 

[Kevin]

That's complete and total bullshit by Bucky Brooks.

We've seen McVay gutted about the Super Bowl and make actual schematic changes to account.

Are we seeing nothing, but 6-1 fronts anymore? No, because he adjusted. He adjusted to Goff's issues. He adjusted to Gurley's precipitous drop off in production. He adjusted to the OL issues. And at every stage, he took responsibility.

The ONLY time he DIDN'T fully take responsibility was when Goff was poor with his ball security and he'd just had enough.

It was so out of character that it became a major bit of contention on this board and is a big sticking point in how Goff departed.

The notion that McVay "falls in love with players" at the expense of rational evaluation is offensive and wrong and there's no evidence of that.

Do we have a check?

Well, he took Sloman over other kickers and some thought McVay was enamored with him. Did we just go for it on 4th downs to cover for Sloman all year? Nope. He was out of here.

FWIW, Mike Florio has a story that has been picked up all over the web with information from a source about how McVay became fixated on Stafford. I can see McVay being impatient with star players.

 

[CoachAllred]

I legit think we have a chance to win the Super Bowl next year.

And you are not alone. The second this trade occurred our odds in vegas to win the Super Bowl
increased and we also went from a projected 3rd place finish in the NFC west to now being
projected as the team to finish first. and this is coming from the oddsmakers.
But hey what do they know. They only do this for a living.

 

[jjab360]

Well, your goal is lower than some of ours. You seem to be happy with 10-6 (which, let's be honest, should have been 9-7) and going on the road to get bounced. Personally, as a season ticket holder, I want to see home playoff games and the team not losing its last game of the season. And what Snead is doing will never result in that.

Yes, I am happy with being a fan of a perennial playoff team that makes exciting moves in the offseason and is doing everything they can to win the SB.

Unless you just became a fan of this team when McVay took over, I'm sure you could understand that.

 

[CoachAllred]

as a season ticket holder, I want to see home playoff games and the team not losing its last game of the season. And what Snead is doing will never result in that.

Maybe you should be buying Chargers season tickets if it's as bad as you claim.

 

[Mackeyser]

Since everyone has a little Arm Chair GM in them, I have some questions.

Let's say the Rams didn't extend Goff's contract when they did and he became a free agent after last season.

Would you have extended his deal after that 2019 season? And keep in mind that given the market increase, that deal would have probably been higher than what they agreed upon years ago.

Or would you have franchised him instead?

If you wouldn't have extended him and would have franchised him, would you have franchised him yet again for an even higher amount after this past season?

And if not, who is the QB for the 2021 season? Which free agent QB would you add as a starter?

Chances are, even if they had a selection at the bottom of 1st round this year, it would probably cost more than they paid for Stafford to move up and draft a maybe. And that's if they wanted to go into the season with a rookie starter. And chances are it probably would have still cost them about another 1st rounder or so get Stafford over the other offers from teams with higher picks in the first round.

Yep.

If the Rams had a 1st rounder this year, it would have cost them MORE to move up to draft a QB than it cost to get Stafford.

And since 2006, we've seen every single QB leave their original drafting team... except for Wentz and there's a solid chance he's dealt.

Which is a STUNNING stat.

What it says is that drafting a 1st round QB in the last 15 years has been a miss.

The only QBs drafted lately that are likely to stay are Mahomes and Allen as Watson is likely on the move at some point. Same with Prescott unless Dallas tags him again which is a one time thing. There's no way they can afford a 3rd tag which will put him on the move as well.

2 1st round QBs in 15 years?

With data like that, it's a MUCH better use of 1sts to get a proven top 7 passer than use MORE for an unknown which the data shows has almost no chance of working out...

 

[Merlin]

And you are not alone. The second this trade occurred our odds in vegas to win the Super Bowl
increased and we also went from a projected 3rd place finish in the NFC west to now being
projected as the team to finish first. and this is coming from the oddsmakers.
But hey what do they know. They only do this for a living.

I'm not gonna say we're the team to beat without seeing what they do with the rest of the roster. But I think we're gonna be the team to beat for the next few years in the NFC lol.

This trade is going to go down as one of our best. Only way that doesn't happen is injury which can always get you but then again the Rams are cutting edge in that shit.

Super Bowls ahead my man.

 

[CoachAllred]

I'm not gonna say we're the team to beat without seeing what they do with the rest of the roster. But I think we're gonna be the team to beat for the next few years in the NFC lol.

This trade is going to go down as one of our best. Only way that doesn't happen is injury which can always get you but then again the Rams are cutting edge in that shit.

Super Bowls ahead my man.

The NFL has yet to see the best of Matthew Stafford. jmho

 

[Mackeyser]

FWIW, Mike Florio has a story that has been picked up all over the web with information from a source about how McVay became fixated on Stafford. I can see McVay being impatient with star players.

Florio? Really?

McVay wasn't fixated on Stafford. After the season ended, he put in the work on alternatives in case they could make something happened.

After grinding the tape, he called Kroenke and said that the juice was worth the squeeze (my words).

Thus Kroenke directed Snead to make it happen.

But the insinuation that McVay was sitting there during the Seattle game going, "ya know, if we had Stafford, we wouldn't be in this mess right now" is beyond ridiculous.

And, it bears repeating... fuck Florio.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Fact is, Snead is not a good GM. It was smoke and mirrors when he was able to convince players like Suh and Talib to come here for short term deals in an effort to get a ring. I actually like what he did there, and think that if McVay would have just gotten out of his own head and kept trying to prove to everybody he really was as smart as they said he was, the team would have won that Super Bowl, because Belichick didn't do anything special.

But for a "master" GM, these sure look skech as hell:

-Buying high on Peters, then selling him low, then watching Peters turn into an All-Pro again
-That absolutely ridiculous Watkins trade (and Watkins trade)
-Paying a fortune for Cooks, giving him an armored truck full of money, then dumping him shortly thereafter
-Bidding against ourselves for Ramsey, paying double what the Steelers paid for a comparable corner
-Giving Gurley an extension a year before he had to even consider it, then eating a bad contract shortly thereafter
-Giving Goff a monster extension at least 2 years before he had to even consider it (something I roasted at the time, and got roasted here for not seeing the vision because "that contract will look like a bargain in 2 years"), then eating a bad contract
-He let Brockers go, and it was only through dumb luck the team got him back
-Eric Weddle
-Widely acknowledged one of the big reasons the team got to the Super Bowl was a fantastic offensive line. Then it was allowed to turn to garbage and it's been ignored for years now.
-Look, I love Kupp, but the guy is made of blown glass. Giving him 47 million dollars was dumb, because he's never on the field in the playoffs
-These compounding bad decisions resulted in Littleton walking
-Letting our special teams go from being the unquestioned best in the league to one of the worst

These aren't the moves of a stable genius.


Someone above defends this claiming that his system IS WORKING!!!. And, I'm sorry, but are we watching the same team?

Theyhad a run of 2 good years as an up and coming challenger for the crown, missed the playoffs, and then snuck in as a 6 seed and got curbstomped on national tv. This team is firmly middle of the pack, and is very likely to either remain there or regress given the lack of draft capital and free agent flexibility through bad trades and cap mismanagement.

An early nominee for worst post of the year!

Glad you are a passionate Rams fan, but yeah, I disagree with *almost* everything in this post.

Clearly, the Eric Weddle signing shows this regime is an absolute failure