Why I'm still pissed off about this off season

[Merlin]

This is a sentiment expressed by a lot of people on this forum that are very happy with this trade. That our window with prime AD and Ramsey is only a couple of years. It's not just a media thought it's a Rams fans though as well.

Yeah my worst fear is that we get ourselves into cap hell and need a rebuild and then things go south and McVay sails off to a new team to implement all the shit he's learned with us.

So I fully understand that sentiment. But I have to admit I'm enjoying a team with high standards who pays for players with one hand and cuts subpar performers with the other. It's never boring being a Rams fan.

 

[Mackeyser]

Yeah my worst fear is that we get ourselves into cap hell and need a rebuild and then things go south and McVay sails off to a new team to implement all the shit he's learned with us.

So I fully understand that sentiment. But I have to admit I'm enjoying a team with high standards who pays for players with one hand and cuts subpar performers with the other. It's never boring being a Rams fan.

That's the Belichick nightmare... I have it also...

The staff he had in his last year in Cleveland... just...wow.

 

[Angry Ram]

But they knew about the injuries to Cooks and Gurley before the contracts were done.

What injuries? Neither player had shown lingering affects of any prior injury. TG had a great comeback year in 2015 after his ACL and then again in 2017, and followed it up with an MVP type year in 2018 after signing said deal. That's 3/4 years of good to elite production with no signs. Wheels fell off 2 years later.

 

[Angry Ram]

Goff earned his in 2018 as well didn't he and what happened after that? My point was they signed each of them a year or more before their current contract was done.

It's a balancing act man. You can always not sign a guy and be cheap, and end up in a situation like Dak and Jerruh has.

And we don't know the true ins and outs of the contracts. I'm sure someone as smart as our FO thought about "outs" when they signed him. For every incentive, there's likely stipulations for injuries, missed games, etc.

 

[OldSchool]

What injuries? Neither player had shown lingering affects of any prior injury. TG had a great comeback year in 2015 after his ACL and then again in 2017, and followed it up with an MVP type year in 2018 after signing said deal. That's 3/4 years of good to elite production with no signs. Wheels fell off 2 years later.

Cooks had been knocked out of multiple games to concussions including I believe both Super Bowls prior to us trading for him.

Gurley had an acl surgery and arthritis is something that most everybody gets after that surgery.

The history of the problems were there for both.

 

[OldSchool]

It's a balancing act man. You can always not sign a guy and be cheap, and end up in a situation like Dak and Jerruh has.

And we don't know the true ins and outs of the contracts. I'm sure someone as smart as our FO thought about "outs" when they signed him. For every incentive, there's likely stipulations for injuries, missed games, etc.

It’s a pattern, three straight massive contracts for the positions all cut or traded away, two before the players even started those contracts. On McVa‘s side of the ball he’s giving out contracts and not getting things out of those players. It’s a pattern that needs to be corrected imo.

 

[Angry Ram]

It’s a pattern, three straight massive contracts for the positions all cut or traded away, two before the players even started those contracts. On McVa‘s side of the ball he’s giving out contracts and not getting things out of those players. It’s a pattern that needs to be corrected imo.

It is what it is. Out of our control, and it hasn't affected their ability to continue to try and improve the team.

 

[Merlin]

Yes fire everyone. Someone has to pay for this outrage of upgrading us at QB.

 

[OldSchool]

Yes fire everyone. Someone has to pay for this outrage of upgrading us at QB.

Who's saying fire anybody? I believe the line is don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say?

 

[ozarkram]

In reaction to the thread title I was gonna go with shorts are to tight. Sooo glad I didn't.

 

[snackdaddy]

Weren't you becoming a Jags fan or something?

Lol, a little off the subject here but I remember when the Rams moved to St Louis. The combination of the move exasperated by the losing seasons I said I was done with the Rams the second year after the move. So I picked the new team. The Jags. Even bought a Jaguars rain coat.

Well, that lasted all of two games. Being in the 49er market those games were always on TV here. While rooting for the 49ers to lose I kept watch on the scores on the bottom of the screen. I realized I was more interested in the Rams score than the Jags. I said "I can't quit these guys. I'll be a St Louis Rams fan even with all the losing".

To me it wasn't the move that frustrated me. It was the losing. I wasn't used to a decade of losing seasons after seeing them in the playoffs most years in the 70's and 80's. Thankfully the GSOT came and life was good as a fan for a while.

 

[Poppinfresh]

Fact is, Snead is not a good GM. It was smoke and mirrors when he was able to convince players like Suh and Talib to come here for short term deals in an effort to get a ring. I actually like what he did there, and think that if McVay would have just gotten out of his own head and kept trying to prove to everybody he really was as smart as they said he was, the team would have won that Super Bowl, because Belichick didn't do anything special.

But for a "master" GM, these sure look skech as hell:

-Buying high on Peters, then selling him low, then watching Peters turn into an All-Pro again
-That absolutely ridiculous Watkins trade (and Watkins trade)
-Paying a fortune for Cooks, giving him an armored truck full of money, then dumping him shortly thereafter
-Bidding against ourselves for Ramsey, paying double what the Steelers paid for a comparable corner
-Giving Gurley an extension a year before he had to even consider it, then eating a bad contract shortly thereafter
-Giving Goff a monster extension at least 2 years before he had to even consider it (something I roasted at the time, and got roasted here for not seeing the vision because "that contract will look like a bargain in 2 years"), then eating a bad contract
-He let Brockers go, and it was only through dumb luck the team got him back
-Eric Weddle
-Widely acknowledged one of the big reasons the team got to the Super Bowl was a fantastic offensive line. Then it was allowed to turn to garbage and it's been ignored for years now.
-Look, I love Kupp, but the guy is made of blown glass. Giving him 47 million dollars was dumb, because he's never on the field in the playoffs
-These compounding bad decisions resulted in Littleton walking
-Letting our special teams go from being the unquestioned best in the league to one of the worst

These aren't the moves of a stable genius.


Someone above defends this claiming that his system IS WORKING!!!. And, I'm sorry, but are we watching the same team?

Theyhad a run of 2 good years as an up and coming challenger for the crown, missed the playoffs, and then snuck in as a 6 seed and got curbstomped on national tv. This team is firmly middle of the pack, and is very likely to either remain there or regress given the lack of draft capital and free agent flexibility through bad trades and cap mismanagement.

 

[ozarkram]

Stable is overrated.

 

[Varg6]

Let’s also keep in mind McVay is still the youngest HC in the game and is continually learning. Despite some things that we’re all critical of him for (wasted timeouts comes to mind), I’ll take him over pretty much anyone and love that he’s our HC. I believe in him and what the FO is doing, despite the unorthodox style. The cold hard facts are he’s taken us to the playoffs 3/4 years. I’ll take that over what we’ve endured over the years any day.

I hated seeing Gurley and Cooks go but it essentially changed nothing (yes the deep attack faltered but I think there’s more to it than just Cooks leaving) and we still had a 10-6. A 10-6 that underscored and underperformed mostly because of JG16 and OL inconsistency.

 

[jjab360]

I don't understand what lesson they're supposed to learn when every move they've made keeps leading to winning seasons. The ultimate goal is a Superbowl W and as long as we're putting ourselves in a position to make that possible, I couldn't care less about draft picks or salary cap.

 

[Psycho_X]

Despite some things that we’re all critical of him for (wasted timeouts comes to mind),

Be curious to see what constant problems go away next season. The timeouts, the constant/weird screen pass audibles that teams knew were coming, lack of deep passing game, etc. None of us really know who is to blame for our more common problems on offense the last couple years but we're going to find out next season.

 

[Kevin]

View: https://twitter.com/buckybrooks/status/1355956016492412929?s=21

 

[Poppinfresh]

I don't understand what lesson they're supposed to learn when every move they've made keeps leading to winning seasons. The ultimate goal is a Superbowl W and as long as we're putting ourselves in a position to make that possible, I couldn't care less about draft picks or salary cap.

Well, your goal is lower than some of ours. You seem to be happy with 10-6 (which, let's be honest, should have been 9-7) and going on the road to get bounced. Personally, as a season ticket holder, I want to see home playoff games and the team not losing its last game of the season. And what Snead is doing will never result in that.

 

[Loyal]

Just surfing through YouTube on responses to the trade, it's funny about the hate of spurned suiters....lol. "Rams got fleeced" or "Stafford wasn't really that good".... Same posters were slobbering over the possibilities of getting him just a couple of days ago.

I guess we do similar things in that we never had a good reason to do a deep dive on Stafford because he wasn't a Ram and wasn't likely to be one. I said, "Stafford has never won anything,." . As far as playoff games go, that's true. But I was never inclined to fairly look at Stafford, like we do for Rams players. I watch Stafford now with new eyes and I'm pretty excited about what Stafford might be able to do where he isn't the focus alone for the offense. We have a good running game with Cam Akers. We have WR's that I really like in Kupp and Woods. Plus, we have a defense that takes the ball away. The defense doesn't have to hold teams to less than 20 points in order to win.

We are going to be hard to beat next year.

 

[snackdaddy]

Fact is, Snead is not a good GM. It was smoke and mirrors when he was able to convince players like Suh and Talib to come here for short term deals in an effort to get a ring. I actually like what he did there, and think that if McVay would have just gotten out of his own head and kept trying to prove to everybody he really was as smart as they said he was, the team would have won that Super Bowl, because Belichick didn't do anything special.

But for a "master" GM, these sure look skech as hell:

-Buying high on Peters, then selling him low, then watching Peters turn into an All-Pro again
-That absolutely ridiculous Watkins trade (and Watkins trade)
-Paying a fortune for Cooks, giving him an armored truck full of money, then dumping him shortly thereafter
-Bidding against ourselves for Ramsey, paying double what the Steelers paid for a comparable corner
-Giving Gurley an extension a year before he had to even consider it, then eating a bad contract shortly thereafter
-Giving Goff a monster extension at least 2 years before he had to even consider it (something I roasted at the time, and got roasted here for not seeing the vision because "that contract will look like a bargain in 2 years"), then eating a bad contract
-He let Brockers go, and it was only through dumb luck the team got him back
-Eric Weddle
-Widely acknowledged one of the big reasons the team got to the Super Bowl was a fantastic offensive line. Then it was allowed to turn to garbage and it's been ignored for years now.
-Look, I love Kupp, but the guy is made of blown glass. Giving him 47 million dollars was dumb, because he's never on the field in the playoffs
-These compounding bad decisions resulted in Littleton walking
-Letting our special teams go from being the unquestioned best in the league to one of the worst

These aren't the moves of a stable genius.


Someone above defends this claiming that his system IS WORKING!!!. And, I'm sorry, but are we watching the same team?

Theyhad a run of 2 good years as an up and coming challenger for the crown, missed the playoffs, and then snuck in as a 6 seed and got curbstomped on national tv. This team is firmly middle of the pack, and is very likely to either remain there or regress given the lack of draft capital and free agent flexibility through bad trades and cap mismanagement.

The McVay/Snead combination has been pretty good if you ask me. 4 straight winning seasons. 3 playoff appearances. A Superbowl appearance. According to the oddsmakers they expect to be a legit Superbowl contender. What you're doing is reading the tea leaves and claiming they will regress and so far it hasn't happened. Until it happens I'm thinking whatever it is they're doing, keep it up.