Which QB should the Rams draft in the 1st Round next year?

[WestCoastRam]

Burrow is older? The man is 28!

There's like a .5% chance the Bengals would give up on Burrow even if they had a bad year due to him being injured.

Yes, I do respect the hell out of the Rams for exploring .5% chance plays.

 

[dieterbrock]

I think there's a better chance of Brett Favre coming out of retirement to play for the Rams than there is of Burrow being traded

 

[PhillyRam]

I think there's a better chance of Brett Favre coming out of retirement to play for the Rams than there is of Burrow being traded

I don't think he will either, but a scenario of another lost season to injury that hands the Bengals the first pick AND if Manning is viewed as a generational QB talent.... they are moving Burrow and taking the cheap young star QB... Especially considering the Bengals cheap ownership.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

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I’m a few years from 60, but the physical work kicks my ass nowadays.

 

[Merlin]

I’m a few years from 60, but the physical work kicks my ass nowadays.

Oh believe me I'm in the same boat. Basic yardwork is what keeps me "in shape" now. Shit's rough.

 

[PhillyRam]

Joe Burrow getting traded

You are taking it out of the context of the scenario I painted. People would have laughed back in 2010 if you said the Colts were going to cut Manning a year later.

I am not saying Burrow will be traded. I said there were only a few teams that would trade the #1 pick next year instead of drafting Manning. I then pointed out that even the Bengals, if they went through a trainwreck season, could decide to move an expensive injury plagued Burrow in favor of a generational cost controlled rookie phenom QB.

 

[PhillyRam]

So my point was the Rams are not getting Manning (unless Atlanta craters) because any team picking #1 will take Manning. They won't trade the pick unless Manning comes with a lot of questions marks due to a questionable college season. And in that scenario he probably stays on school.

 

[den-the-coach]

I’m a few years from 60, but the physical work kicks my ass nowadays.

Physical work for me nowadays at 58 is mowing the back 40 with my John Deer Tractor, which like the 49ers comes with an automatic choke.

 

[den-the-coach]

So my point was the Rams are not getting Manning (unless Atlanta craters) because any team picking #1 will take Manning. They won't trade the pick unless Manning comes with a lot of questions marks due to a questionable college season. And in that scenario he probably stays on school.

Nobody thought the Chargers would trade the pick either, but poof Eli was a Giant.

 

[dieterbrock]

I don't think he will either, but a scenario of another lost season to injury that hands the Bengals the first pick AND if Manning is viewed as a generational QB talent.... they are moving Burrow and taking the cheap young star QB... Especially considering the Bengals cheap ownership.

Absolutely not
They can go 0-17 next season and Burrow goes nowhere.

 

[dieterbrock]

You are taking it out of the context of the scenario I painted. People would have laughed back in 2010 if you said the Colts were going to cut Manning a year later.

I am not saying Burrow will be traded. I said there were only a few teams that would trade the #1 pick next year instead of drafting Manning. I then pointed out that even the Bengals, if they went through a trainwreck season, could decide to move an expensive injury plagued Burrow in favor of a generational cost controlled rookie phenom QB.

If Burrow has a potentially career ending neck injury that forces him out of football for an entire season (aka the Manning situation), neither the Rams, or any other team would trade for him

 

[dieterbrock]

Nobody thought the Chargers would trade the pick either, but poof Eli was a Giant.

The entire league knew that Manning wouldnt play for the Chargers.
Heck even Mel Kiper got that right

 

[den-the-coach]

The entire league knew that Manning wouldnt play for the Chargers.
Heck even Mel Kiper got that right

So will Arch play the same game?

 

[PhillyRam]

If Burrow has a potentially career ending neck injury that forces him out of football for an entire season (aka the Manning situation), neither the Rams, or any other team would trade for him

I was not talking about trading for Burrow. I was talking about teams willing to move an expensive injury plagued QB in exchange for a rookie phenom who has a cost controlled contract for 5 years. Burrow was a potential extreme example of that.

 

[dieterbrock]

So will Arch play the same game?

I dont know why he would, because that happened 1 time in history? On the other hand, if there is a Philip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger in the draft who were arguably better than Eli, than why not take one of them? Or just get our next franchise QB out of a Hi-Vee supermarket?

 

[dieterbrock]

I was not talking about trading for Burrow. I was talking about teams willing to move an expensive injury plagued QB in exchange for a rookie phenom who has a cost controlled contract for 5 years. Burrow was a potential extreme example of that.

Who has traded for an expensive injury plagued QB? Has that ever worked out?

 

[DzRams]

Think about it... he will be 29. Let's say he was hurt again which is why they tanked.

Then let's say Archie Manning was viewed as an Andrew Luck or an Elway caliber QB prospect.

You don't think they wouldn't seriously consider moving on with a cost controlled young super star QB and moving Burrow? Indy did that with Uncle Peyton... granted he was a little older, but he was also more accompolished than Burrow.

My overall point was there won't be many teams, if any, that end up with the first pick, that won't take Manning, IF he is considered a great prospect. The Bengals are one of those that it is close, but that they would be an outlier.

Now maybe Manning will have big question marks and won't be considered the next Elway or Manning, etc... In that case then he would obviously be more gettable, but then would also be a bigger risk for a massive trade up.

You're missing so much vital context that your comparison is useless.

Manning was 35 coming off a major neck injury. No one knew if he would ever be the same after that injury. Burrow is 28 and hasn't had a major injury.

No! The Bengals won't be trading him even if there is an Andrew Luck type QB in this next draft.

I get your overall point that there aren't many teams who would pass on Manning if he was a generational prospect, but I think you underestimate the number who would keep their current star.

Someone already provided a list and I saw 8 locks who would keep their current guy. That's 25% of the league. And then there's another handful who may opt to retain their guy.

Any massive trade up is a big risk. I saw a stat this year showing that QBs selected with picks 1-5 only have a 68% hit ratio. That's two out of three. Yeah they're cost controlled but that's a sizeable fail rate which is why a Burrow wouldn't be traded.

 

[PhillyRam]

Who has traded for an expensive injury plagued QB? Has that ever worked out?

Oh boy.... way to get off the original discussion. Trade, release whatever... The discussion was few if amy teams will trade that #1 pick next year if Manning lives up to expectations next yr. Even a team with quality starter whose name is not Mahomes or Allen and maybe very few others.

 

[PhillyRam]

You're missing so much vital context that your comparison is useless.

Manning was 35 coming off a major neck injury. No one knew if he would ever be the same after that injury. Burrow is 28 and hasn't had a major injury.

No! The Bengals won't be trading him even if there is an Andrew Luck type QB in this next draft.

I get your overall point that there aren't many teams who would pass on Manning if he was a generational prospect, but I think you underestimate the number who would keep their current star.

Someone already provided a list and I saw 8 locks who would keep their current guy. That's 25% of the league. And then there's another handful who may opt to retain their guy.

Any massive trade up is a big risk. I saw a stat this year showing that QBs selected with picks 1-5 only have a 68% hit ratio. That's two out of three. Yeah they're cost controlled but that's a sizeable fail rate which is why a Burrow wouldn't be traded.

The context would be the Bengals or any of those teams would have earned the #1 spot and have to decide to keep their QB that steered them to a 3 win season or got hurt and they suffered a 3 win season. I am not saying a team like that will trade up for Manning. I am saying he is staring them in the face at #1 and so what do you do?

I think it would be a tough decision for a team with an injury prone 29 yr old QB (he would be 29 next yr at this time) to pass on generational rookie prospect that will cost a fraction of what your 29 yr old vet costs.

Hell, the Lions traded their 33 yr old franchise QB without the option of drafting a generational replacement.

 

[den-the-coach]

I dont know why he would, because that happened 1 time in history? On the other hand, if there is a Philip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger in the draft who were arguably better than Eli, than why not take one of them? Or just get our next franchise QB out of a Hi-Vee supermarket?

Agree on Big Ben, but Rivers was better in the regular season, but not in post season. He lost to the Patriots more than Cornwallis.