Which QB should the Rams draft in the 1st Round next year?

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I mean, if things keep up the way they're going....and i dont want to jinx anything by saying "something bowl," is a Stafford "ask" of 3 years 180 Million a ridiculous premise? Wouldn't there be multiple teams (unlike last offseason) willing to do it?
 
Coliseum Ram said:
I mean, if things keep up the way they're going....and i dont want to jinx anything by saying "something bowl," is a Stafford "ask" of 3 years 180 Million a ridiculous premise? Wouldn't there be multiple teams (unlike last offseason) willing to do it?
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With his injuries and constant flirting with retirement? Yeah 3 years might be too much.
 
OldSchool said:
With his injuries and constant flirting with retirement? Yeah 3 years might be too much.
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Constant flirting with retirement? Well overblown.
Injuries? Also overblown.

Im not saying WE wanna give him 3 years (though I'd STRONGLY consider it) but would a team like Las Vegas? Miami? Indianapolis? Im not sure they wouldn't.
 
Merlin said:
Most young QBs don't have "it" tbh. You're looking at statistical likelihood of mediocre or worse it seems, even if you pick up high.

But I think if you keep it simple and go with the equation of talent + giveafuck you give yourself the best shot. And the older I get the less I think that the talent comes first.
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There have been a lot of QBs who didn't have "it" as a young QB have later career resurgences in recent years. What that tells me is that NFL teams are too quick to play these guys and too quick to give up on them.
 
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If you need a starter, you take a shot on a re-tread (or 2)
If you don’t have an immediate need for a starter, you can groom one and by drafting one in round 1 you get a potential 5 year deal
Im all for the latter
 
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Stafford won’t be leaving LARs and McVay over some money. He’s only leaving if McVay lets him go and doesn’t want him anymore. This union is not only love, but also a marriage of convenience.
 
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den-the-coach said:
IDK they have to start winning, if this year is a learning year and he improves great, but Kevin O’Connell doesn’t have a look of a HC that is pleased with the process.
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What choices does O'Connell have? If he moves on from McCarthy after his rookie season, he and the GM will look like an idiot. That can't help with job security.
 
Merlin said:
Most young QBs don't have "it" tbh. You're looking at statistical likelihood of mediocre or worse it seems, even if you pick up high.

But I think if you keep it simple and go with the equation of talent + giveafuck you give yourself the best shot. And the older I get the less I think that the talent comes first.
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Facts. Last draft, I researched the hit rate for all 1st round QBs since Stafford's draft, judging success as merely being a long-term starter for the drafting team. This is not even talking about whether the QB is above average or elite. And it obviously leaves out Sam Darnold type reclamation projects.

Anyway, the hit rate for picks 1-5 was 60%, 6-15 was 40%, and 16-32 was 20%. It's hard out there.

IMO, the problem is teams aren't developing these guys right. They're looking for immediate results when as you say very few young QBs have "it." They need to be more patient and not rush the QB into starting.

The other problem is too much emphasis on tools (arm and legs) rather than the mental aspect. You mentioned QBs who can't read a defense and lack intelligence. I didn't run the numbers on this but my general sense was that the players who had the mental aspect coming out of college - could read a defense, go through progressions, adjust protections, manipulate defenders, etc. - had much greater success even when they lacked some in the arm or mobility department. (I'm not entirely sure QBs develop a whole lot in this mental area when it was wholly lacking in college, but I'm open to being shown to be wrong.)

So IMO, you gotta go with talent + giveafuck + mental processing if you want success. And I'd rank talent/tools third in that equation.
 
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jrry32 said:
There have been a lot of QBs who didn't have "it" as a young QB have later career resurgences in recent years. What that tells me is that NFL teams are too quick to play these guys and too quick to give up on them.
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We all know this. But for every Darnold there are many who bust and never show anything.
 
Coliseum Ram said:
An interesting thing right now with the current NFL Draft order. There's a decent chance that neither of the teams holding the first 2 picks at this time, Titans and Giants, will be taking a Quarterback, and theoretically would look to trade their pick for a "bag." Giants definitely not taking one.

Fernando Mendoza anyone......????
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Depends how far up we have to trade. I'd hate to give up the farm for a rookie QB that won't see playing time.
 
rdlkgliders said:
It won't be a popular take, nor will it be easy to pull off........
However, I am sold on the Stafford method: deal for an established QB you believe in and pursue them.
Mitigating the cost/risk of trade-ups and bust potential of drafted QBs makes sense, but the complication is how?
All things in play, this would be my route and you all know the targets...
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I'm not entirely against this approach at all. It's gotten us to where we are now.
 
El Chapo Jr said:
Stafford was expensive too but well worth it.
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Absolutely ... but ... how often does a Stafford-trade situation arise?

Once every 5-10 years? When was the last time a top-tier-QB became available via trade?

Before you consider me a Downer on the topic, I have posted half-a-dozen times, over the past six months, about an Elite-Quarterback that I can definitely see becoming a trade candidate in the not-too-distant future.

Joe Burrow ... this will likely be the third straight season Cincinnati will not make the post-season.

Burrow could definitely get frustrated, and request a trade ... Just NOT this coming off-season ... too soon; and far-too-expensive for the Bengals from a salary cap point of view.

But ... just one more non-playoff-season in 2026? That would make four-straight disappointing years.
Burrow would be thirty years old; and the negative cap implications to the Bengals would not be extreme.

A change for Both Burrow AND Cincinnati might make a ton of sense.

Would not say such a scenario is likely ... Burrow is too good ... But ... I would say it's possible ... in 2027.
 
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DzRams said:
Facts. Last draft, I researched the hit rate for all 1st round QBs since Stafford's draft, judging success as merely being a long-term starter for the drafting team. This is not even talking about whether the QB is above average or elite. And it obviously leaves out Sam Darnold type reclamation projects.

Anyway, the hit rate for picks 1-5 was 60%, 6-15 was 40%, and 16-32 was 20%. It's hard out there.

IMO, the problem is teams aren't developing these guys right. They're looking for immediate results when as you say very few young QBs have "it." They need to be more patient and not rush the QB into starting.

The other problem is too much emphasis on tools (arm and legs) rather than the mental aspect. You mentioned QBs who can't read a defense and lack intelligence. I didn't run the numbers on this but my general sense was that the players who had the mental aspect coming out of college - could read a defense, go through progressions, adjust protections, manipulate defenders, etc. - had much greater success even when they lacked some in the arm or mobility department. (I'm not entirely sure QBs develop a whole lot in this mental area when it was wholly lacking in college, but I'm open to being shown to be wrong.)

So IMO, you gotta go with talent + giveafuck + mental processing if you want success. And I'd rank talent/tools third in that equation.
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Yeah and when you start to define hit things sure do get subjective too.

Crazy thing is for the Rams an average starter isn't good enough, so the percentages are probably worse than you cited. We have already seen McVay cast off a good QB in Goff.

Whoever they go get I hope he is hyper competitive and loves the shit out of ball.
 
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Allen2McVay said:
Absolutely ... but ... how often does a Stafford-trade situation arise?

Once every 5-10 years? When was the last time a top-tier-QB became available via trade?

Before you consider me a Downer on the topic, I have posted half-a-dozen times, over the past six months, about an Elite-Quarterback that I can definitely see becoming a trade candidate in the not-too-distant future.

Joe Burrow ... this will likely be the third straight season Cincinnati will not make the post-season.

Burrow could definitely get frustrated, and request a trade ... Just NOT this coming off-season ... too soon; and far-too-expensive for the Bengals from a salary cap point of view.

But ... just one more non-playoff-season in 2026? That would make four-straight disappointing years.
Burrow would be thirty years old; and the negative cap implications to the Bengals would not be extreme.

A change for Both Burrow AND Cincinnati might make a ton of sense.

Would not say such a scenario is likely ... Burrow is too good ... But ... I would say it's possible ... in 2027.
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Trust me I get it, if the trade is there to be made by all means the Rams should do it. It's also very possible the timeline for one just isn't there. I'm honestly just gonna enjoy Stafford for as long as we have him and will simply cheer on whoever our next QB is regardless of how we get him on our team.
 
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